Is Court Packing back on the table?

[Torie]

It was never on the table, in the sense of something that would actually be consumed, as opposed to just look at, Manchin/Sinema or no Manchin/Sinema. In other news, MS is certainly a very useful thing to have around to use as needed, because it affords camouflage for so many others on the stage battle field.

[Hope For A New Era]

If abortion is the number one issue in 2022, we are screwed.

If everyone in this country instantly became a single-issue abortion voter overnight, the popular vote would be roughly 60-40. That's D+20. Abortion being the number one issue is a dream scenario for Democrats.

Obviously, it won't happen, and I'm not enough of a cynical partisan to wish for it, because I know what damage that would do to the country. But that's what would happen.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Remember it's not just Sinema, and Manchin, it's Feinstein and Tester,, D's would need a 55/45 Senate to bypass them on Crt packing, with Biden 44% Approval, it was a low chance of that happening anyways, Biden didn't solve the Covid crisis, he said shots in arms and 1400 we would be back to normal, it didn't happen and we aren't gonna get 1400 checks, but many people 340K lost their factory work that is a weekend, night shift, not day job and refiles for Unemployment

Tester, Feinstein, Kelly, Bennett, Manchin and Sinema signed a letter to Biden and said no to Crt packing

Kavanaugh gave the Election to Biden and certified Obamacare

[Progressive Pessimist]

It's never going to happen. All we can hope for is Breyer retiring, Biden winning re-election with a Democratic Senate still, and maybe Alito and Thomas (if we have the best luck in the world) retiring after that point. And there is about a .5% chance of all that at best, probably.

In reality we'll likely just have to wait an entire generation and have the most perfect timing possible to ever see four or more Democratic appointed justices on the Court ever again. I am confident that our country will have made zero progress on reforming any of our institutions by then. Assuming we have a country at all and not just scraps of a dystopian wasteland by the time the generation that destroyed the country finally dies off.

All situations are no-win situations when you aren't a right winger in this abysmal nation.

Username checks out

It doesn't mean I'm wrong.

[SteveRogers]

Absolutely not. It's totally unconstitutional and dangerous to tamper with the balance of the court.

Dangerous perhaps, but certainly not unconstitutional.

[SteveRogers]

Not only is this not happening due to Manchin, but is anyone confident that the five lockstep far-right judges don't immediately issue a one-line ruling overturning the court-packing bill?

That wouldn’t happen because it’s not actually in the Court’s interest to just declare, “lol, laws don’t matter anymore.” They have to at least be able to cloak hackish decisions in legal jargon, and there’s no viable argument against congress’s Constitutional authority to increase the size of the court.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

MSNBC is a hack need media source for Biden they promised us Filibuster reform during the Summer because Beto, Barber and TX D's orchestrated a lockout of the House and Rs left the state, it didn't happen because Biden needed Sinema and Manchin on infrastructure


Now, they are running with the story of Crt packing, don't forget Chuck Todd overpredicted last time the blue wave and then at last minute changed it

Chris Matthews was the biggest hack on Joe Biden, that's why he defended  Hunter on Ukraine probe


Don't let Fox news or MSNBC fool you take every news network with grain of salt


Just like VR, MSNBC is running with this abortion story


Unless Dems get 55, Senate seats and 230 H, it's not happening just like we thought it would happen in. ,2020

[Antonio the Sixth]

Not with this Senate, no, but next time Democrats have a majority of 52+, almost certainly.

The question is whether we'll even have a democracy by then.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Not with this Senate, no, but next time Democrats have a majority of 52+, almost certainly.

The question is whether we'll even have a democracy by then.

Lol Time Ryan told Pelosi to drop the Crt packing bill and Jeff Jackson said no and Feinstein, Kelly, Manchin, Sinema and Tester already told Biden no to Crt packing


Users are just mad that Breyer won't retire so they can pick Kentaji Brown
.if you look at Biden Approvals 44% is the number where incumbent Prez looses the House anyways


D's are using this as a fundraiser for Act Blue to try to get donations for failed Sen candidates Grayson, Drmongs, Ryan and Cheri Beasley, whom are underdogs now that Biden isn't at 59% Approvals but couldn't see to 50 like last time

What happened to Crist and Val, polls showed Crist up 53/47 now DeSajtis is back to 3 pts ahead innl a MXDX Remington poll

[HisGrace]

Court packing- no

crt packing- absolutely

[Non Swing Voter]

Nope and thank god to Susan Collins and Rick Scott for winning their races as they are the ones preventing it from happening

You guys better do well in 2022.  If Dems gain senate seats this disgraceful power grab from the party of the 46% is going to come to a very unfortunate end no matter how much Lindsey Graham hisses and scowls. 

It’s not like you guys will have control of the house after the  2022 midterms so it doesn’t matter if you make gains in the senate or not

Why is that relevant?  The senate confirms justices not the house??  I'd be more than happy if Dems lost 20 seats in the house and gained 2 in the senate.  Which is an unlikely scenario but certainly possible given the senate seats at play.

[SWE]

Only if you want 900 judges instead of 9

Yeah, not really a difficult choice. 900 is a little excessive, but 9 is absolutely an insane and unjustifiable state of affairs

[OSR stands with Israel]

Nope and thank god to Susan Collins and Rick Scott for winning their races as they are the ones preventing it from happening

You guys better do well in 2022.  If Dems gain senate seats this disgraceful power grab from the party of the 46% is going to come to a very unfortunate end no matter how much Lindsey Graham hisses and scowls. 

It’s not like you guys will have control of the house after the  2022 midterms so it doesn’t matter if you make gains in the senate or not

Why is that relevant?  The senate confirms justices not the house??  I'd be more than happy if Dems lost 20 seats in the house and gained 2 in the senate.  Which is an unlikely scenario but certainly possible given the senate seats at play.

You have to pass a law to expand the court

[Houstonian Sock]

Only if you want 900 judges instead of 9

Yeah, not really a difficult choice. 900 is a little excessive, but 9 is absolutely an insane and unjustifiable state of affairs

How are you gonna got 900 ppl on the court? No way they all fit in the bulding

[Non Swing Voter]

Nope and thank god to Susan Collins and Rick Scott for winning their races as they are the ones preventing it from happening

You guys better do well in 2022.  If Dems gain senate seats this disgraceful power grab from the party of the 46% is going to come to a very unfortunate end no matter how much Lindsey Graham hisses and scowls. 

It’s not like you guys will have control of the house after the  2022 midterms so it doesn’t matter if you make gains in the senate or not

Why is that relevant?  The senate confirms justices not the house??  I'd be more than happy if Dems lost 20 seats in the house and gained 2 in the senate.  Which is an unlikely scenario but certainly possible given the senate seats at play.

You have to pass a law to expand the court

I don't see it that way just because Congress has passed laws in the past related to its size.  The Constitution is completely silent on the size of the Court or who has the authority to limit its size.  Biden should just nominate Judges and it should pass the Senate.  If Republicans want to take the issue to the Courts then Biden's new Justices can rule on that.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Nope and thank god to Susan Collins and Rick Scott for winning their races as they are the ones preventing it from happening

You guys better do well in 2022.  If Dems gain senate seats this disgraceful power grab from the party of the 46% is going to come to a very unfortunate end no matter how much Lindsey Graham hisses and scowls. 

It’s not like you guys will have control of the house after the  2022 midterms so it doesn’t matter if you make gains in the senate or not

Why is that relevant?  The senate confirms justices not the house??  I'd be more than happy if Dems lost 20 seats in the house and gained 2 in the senate.  Which is an unlikely scenario but certainly possible given the senate seats at play.

You have to pass a law to expand the court

I don't see it that way just because Congress has passed laws in the past related to its size.  The Constitution is completely silent on the size of the Court or who has the authority to limit its size.  Biden should just nominate Judges and it should pass the Senate.  If Republicans want to take the issue to the Courts then Biden's new Justices can rule on that.

lol

[Anti-Trump Truth Socialite JD Vance Enjoying Juror]

You have to pass a law to expand the court

I don't see it that way just because Congress has passed laws in the past related to its size.  The Constitution is completely silent on the size of the Court or who has the authority to limit its size.  Biden should just nominate Judges and it should pass the Senate.  If Republicans want to take the issue to the Courts then Biden's new Justices can rule on that.

This is the single dumbest court reform plan I’ve heard, congratulations.

[Non Swing Voter]

Nope and thank god to Susan Collins and Rick Scott for winning their races as they are the ones preventing it from happening

You guys better do well in 2022.  If Dems gain senate seats this disgraceful power grab from the party of the 46% is going to come to a very unfortunate end no matter how much Lindsey Graham hisses and scowls. 

It’s not like you guys will have control of the house after the  2022 midterms so it doesn’t matter if you make gains in the senate or not

Why is that relevant?  The senate confirms justices not the house??  I'd be more than happy if Dems lost 20 seats in the house and gained 2 in the senate.  Which is an unlikely scenario but certainly possible given the senate seats at play.

You have to pass a law to expand the court

I don't see it that way just because Congress has passed laws in the past related to its size.  The Constitution is completely silent on the size of the Court or who has the authority to limit its size.  Biden should just nominate Judges and it should pass the Senate.  If Republicans want to take the issue to the Courts then Biden's new Justices can rule on that.

lol

Great rebuttal analysis.

If the GOP wants to hold up a nominee for a year in the senate then the Dem senate should just pack the court.  There is literally no clause of the constitution against this.

[Non Swing Voter]

Nope and thank god to Susan Collins and Rick Scott for winning their races as they are the ones preventing it from happening

You guys better do well in 2022.  If Dems gain senate seats this disgraceful power grab from the party of the 46% is going to come to a very unfortunate end no matter how much Lindsey Graham hisses and scowls. 

It’s not like you guys will have control of the house after the  2022 midterms so it doesn’t matter if you make gains in the senate or not

Why is that relevant?  The senate confirms justices not the house??  I'd be more than happy if Dems lost 20 seats in the house and gained 2 in the senate.  Which is an unlikely scenario but certainly possible given the senate seats at play.

You have to pass a law to expand the court

I don't see it that way just because Congress has passed laws in the past related to its size.  The Constitution is completely silent on the size of the Court or who has the authority to limit its size.  Biden should just nominate Judges and it should pass the Senate.  If Republicans want to take the issue to the Courts then Biden's new Justices can rule on that.

This is the single dumbest court reform plan I’ve heard, congratulations.

Playing hardball with Republicans is not reform.  "Reforms" will never happen.  Literally no bills are getting passed.  This is the same logic that Dems have used on gerrymander.  Reform it while the other side does whatever it wants.  That's dumb.

[Anti-Trump Truth Socialite JD Vance Enjoying Juror]

Nope and thank god to Susan Collins and Rick Scott for winning their races as they are the ones preventing it from happening

You guys better do well in 2022.  If Dems gain senate seats this disgraceful power grab from the party of the 46% is going to come to a very unfortunate end no matter how much Lindsey Graham hisses and scowls. 

It’s not like you guys will have control of the house after the  2022 midterms so it doesn’t matter if you make gains in the senate or not

Why is that relevant?  The senate confirms justices not the house??  I'd be more than happy if Dems lost 20 seats in the house and gained 2 in the senate.  Which is an unlikely scenario but certainly possible given the senate seats at play.

You have to pass a law to expand the court

I don't see it that way just because Congress has passed laws in the past related to its size.  The Constitution is completely silent on the size of the Court or who has the authority to limit its size.  Biden should just nominate Judges and it should pass the Senate.  If Republicans want to take the issue to the Courts then Biden's new Justices can rule on that.

This is the single dumbest court reform plan I’ve heard, congratulations.

Playing hardball with Republicans is not reform.  "Reforms" will never happen.  Literally no bills are getting passed.  This is the same logic that Dems have used on gerrymander.  Reform it while the other side does whatever it wants.  That's dumb.

Why not just have Biden declare himself Emperor of the United States instead? It would be just as legitimate, and we wouldn’t have to worry about any obstruction at all that way.

[Non Swing Voter]

Nope and thank god to Susan Collins and Rick Scott for winning their races as they are the ones preventing it from happening

You guys better do well in 2022.  If Dems gain senate seats this disgraceful power grab from the party of the 46% is going to come to a very unfortunate end no matter how much Lindsey Graham hisses and scowls. 

It’s not like you guys will have control of the house after the  2022 midterms so it doesn’t matter if you make gains in the senate or not

Why is that relevant?  The senate confirms justices not the house??  I'd be more than happy if Dems lost 20 seats in the house and gained 2 in the senate.  Which is an unlikely scenario but certainly possible given the senate seats at play.

You have to pass a law to expand the court

I don't see it that way just because Congress has passed laws in the past related to its size.  The Constitution is completely silent on the size of the Court or who has the authority to limit its size.  Biden should just nominate Judges and it should pass the Senate.  If Republicans want to take the issue to the Courts then Biden's new Justices can rule on that.

This is the single dumbest court reform plan I’ve heard, congratulations.

Playing hardball with Republicans is not reform.  "Reforms" will never happen.  Literally no bills are getting passed.  This is the same logic that Dems have used on gerrymander.  Reform it while the other side does whatever it wants.  That's dumb.

Why not just have Biden declare himself Emperor of the United States instead? It would be just as legitimate, and we wouldn’t have to worry about any obstruction at all that way.

Are you a lawyer?

[GregTheGreat657]

Lol no. The Dem elected officials might be a little overly ambitious, but this proposal is off the deep end. They’ll get demolished in the midterms, and the 2024 presidential election

[Vaccinated Russian Bear]

It was never on the table, in the sense of something that would actually be consumed, as opposed to just look at, Manchin/Sinema or no Manchin/Sinema. In other news, MS is certainly a very useful thing to have around to use as needed, because it affords camouflage for so many others on the stage battle field.

Biden is probably [likely?] opposed packing, too.

[David Hume]

Nope and thank god to Susan Collins and Rick Scott for winning their races as they are the ones preventing it from happening

You guys better do well in 2022.  If Dems gain senate seats this disgraceful power grab from the party of the 46% is going to come to a very unfortunate end no matter how much Lindsey Graham hisses and scowls. 

It’s not like you guys will have control of the house after the  2022 midterms so it doesn’t matter if you make gains in the senate or not

Why is that relevant?  The senate confirms justices not the house??  I'd be more than happy if Dems lost 20 seats in the house and gained 2 in the senate.  Which is an unlikely scenario but certainly possible given the senate seats at play.

You have to pass a law to expand the court

I don't see it that way just because Congress has passed laws in the past related to its size.  The Constitution is completely silent on the size of the Court or who has the authority to limit its size.  Biden should just nominate Judges and it should pass the Senate.  If Republicans want to take the issue to the Courts then Biden's new Justices can rule on that.

The number of the justices of SC is determined by Congress, period.