Kevin McCarthy comes out against bipartisan Jan. 6 commission

[riceowl]

What's super effed is that the commission actually did breach 3/5 of those voting.

[Buffalo Mayor Young Kim]

Wow it 'lost' 54-35. Sure is some democracy we've got in that Senate

Sure would separate our country and ruin our government if 54-35 votes passed wouldn't Joe you self-absorbed fossil

[Inmate Trump]

Manchin is the problem here.  Democratic leadership either needs to really give some serious caves to him on whatever he wants in exchange for abolishing the filibuster, or the entire party needs to completely shun him.  Cut him off from funding, just totally break ties with him.

[Ferguson97]

54 Yays
35 Nays

The nays have it. Democracy, everyone!

[Alben Barkley]

Manchin is the problem here.  Democratic leadership either needs to really give some serious caves to him on whatever he wants in exchange for abolishing the filibuster, or the entire party needs to completely shun him.  Cut him off from funding, just totally break ties with him.

If that happens, he might actually switch parties, and then we lose the majority entirely.

[Terlylane]

54 Yays
35 Nays

The nays have it. Democracy, everyone!

How many did it need?

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Manchin is the problem here.  Democratic leadership either needs to really give some serious caves to him on whatever he wants in exchange for abolishing the filibuster, or the entire party needs to completely shun him.  Cut him off from funding, just totally break ties with him.

Tester is telling him not to break Filibuster it's not Manchin only or Sinema, but Schumer already said that D's needs to agree on common ground instead of breaking the Filibuster

D's have the Generic ballot lead and voting suppression really mainly affects 30 and under crowd it's really nothing you can do I'm a tied Senate

If that happens, he might actually switch parties, and then we lose the majority entirely.

[Mr. Matt]

Why doesn't the Senate just friggin' let the GOP actually physically filibuster? Have them read the phone book for 24 hours like their friend Strom Thurmond and have the Dems use the footage for their 2022 ads.

[Buffalo Mayor Young Kim]

Manchin is the problem here.  Democratic leadership either needs to really give some serious caves to him on whatever he wants in exchange for abolishing the filibuster, or the entire party needs to completely shun him.  Cut him off from funding, just totally break ties with him.

If that happens, he might actually switch parties, and then we lose the majority entirely.

And?
He's not even voting for reconciliation if a Rep doesn't hold his hand.
I doubt he does, but losing control of a chamber that he's paralyzed anyway isn't much of a threat

[Terlylane]

Why doesn't the Senate just friggin' let the GOP actually physically filibuster? Have them read the phone book for 24 hours like their friend Strom Thurmond and have the Dems use the footage for their 2022 ads.

Storm was a democrat then.

[Buffalo Mayor Young Kim]

Why doesn't the Senate just friggin' let the GOP actually physically filibuster? Have them read the phone book for 24 hours like their friend Strom Thurmond and have the Dems use the footage for their 2022 ads.

Because Joe Manchin thinks that would destroy the country

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Wow it 'lost' 54-35. Sure is some democracy we've got in that Senate

Sure would separate our country and ruin our government if 54-35 votes passed wouldn't Joe you self-absorbed fossil

What's super effed is that the commission actually did breach 3/5 of those voting.

Yeah this vote is really a great argument for some form of "Make the Minority do the Work".

In the House, you need 2/3 vote for suspension bills - but it is 2/3 of those present and voting - if some don't show up, the threshold comes down - so people can't hold things up by just not voting, you actually have to cast that "NO" vote.

I believe the Senate should look at a similar model for the filibuster. It's critically important that we keep some form of a higher threshold for most legislation to protect certain things like Medicare from being unilaterally abolished by the next GOP majority (doing entitlement stuff via reconciliation is very limited). But we need to end the presumption in favor of the filibuster. If the minority is unable to actually show up and vote, the majority should be able to proceed. Under any of the "Make the Minority do the Work" models - requiring 41 actual No Votes, requiring 45 Actual No Votes, or simply taking inspiration from the House and making the threshold 3/5 or 14/25 of those present and voting - the commission debate would have proceeded.

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Anyways, the breakdown of the vote:

GOP Aye - Cassidy, Collins, Murkowski, Portman, Romney, Sasse

NAYs ---35
Barrasso (R-WY)
Boozman (R-AR)
Capito (R-WV)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Cotton (R-AR)
Cramer (R-ND)
Crapo (R-ID)
Cruz (R-TX)
Daines (R-MT)
Ernst (R-IA)
Fischer (R-NE)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Hagerty (R-TN)
Hawley (R-MO)
Hoeven (R-ND)
Hyde-Smith (R-MS)
Johnson (R-WI)
Kennedy (R-LA)
Lankford (R-OK)
Lee (R-UT)
Lummis (R-WY)
Marshall (R-KS)
McConnell (R-KY)
Moran (R-KS)
Paul (R-KY)
Rubio (R-FL)
Scott (R-FL)
Scott (R-SC)
Sullivan (R-AK)
Thune (R-SD)
Tillis (R-NC)
Tuberville (R-AL)
Wicker (R-MS)
Young (R-IN)

Not Voting - 11
Blackburn (R-TN)
Blunt (R-MO)
Braun (R-IN)
Burr (R-NC)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Murray (D-WA)
Risch (R-ID)
Rounds (R-SD)
Shelby (R-AL)
Sinema (D-AZ)
Toomey (R-PA)

[pbrower2a]

54 Yays
35 Nays

The nays have it. Democracy, everyone!

How many did it need?

It would be best if they had to physically filibuster, as in droning on about how Donald Judas Trump was the greatest thing to ever happen in American politics and why he had to remain President even though he lost the popular voted decisively and the Electoral College definitively. 

[Inmate Trump]

Manchin is the problem here.  Democratic leadership either needs to really give some serious caves to him on whatever he wants in exchange for abolishing the filibuster, or the entire party needs to completely shun him.  Cut him off from funding, just totally break ties with him.

If that happens, he might actually switch parties, and then we lose the majority entirely.

I’d rather be in the minority than continually losing as the majority.  Manchin adds nothing and sabotages the party on almost every major piece of legislation.

He’s of no value to us whatsoever.

[Joe Biden 2024]

If Congress won't do it, then a special counsel should be appointed.

[Torie]

If Congress won't do it, then a special counsel should be appointed.

That is for criminal cases in a court of law, where the administration has a conflict of interest.

[Inmate Trump]

Can’t the House still do their own commission?

I thought that’s what happened with Benghazi.

[Roll Roons]

Can’t the House still do their own commission?

I thought that’s what happened with Benghazi.

Yes. And I think there's a good chance they will. Though I kind of wonder which Republicans will end up being on it, besides Cheney and Kinzinger.

[The Dowager Mod]

Just another in a thousand cuts that will lead to the death of Democracy at the hands of morally bankrupt Republican cowards.

[Inmate Trump]

Can’t the House still do their own commission?

I thought that’s what happened with Benghazi.

Yes. And I think there's a good chance they will. Though I kind of wonder which Republicans will end up being on it, besides Cheney and Kinzinger.

Without Senate approval, would the scope of a commission in the House be any different really?

[President Johnson]

I don't know what's more disgusting: That a majority of 54 to 35 means the bill failed, or that 35 senators cowards voted against something that should usually be a 100-0 vote.

It's really beyond my comprehension how these people can sell out that much to a guy like Trump. I mean, most of them were there when the capitol was stormed and they chanted to hang Pence. How sick is that?

[emailking]

Why doesn't the Senate just friggin' let the GOP actually physically filibuster? Have them read the phone book for 24 hours like their friend Strom Thurmond and have the Dems use the footage for their 2022 ads.

Well they'd need Manchin & Sinema on board with that. Right now under the rules they can just report they're filibustering and then cloture is required.

[Jay 🏳️‍⚧️]

54 Yays
35 Nays

The nays have it. Democracy, everyone!

How many did it need?

60 is the minimum to invoke cloture, regardless of what % of the votes cast were actually in favor.

Cloture isn't just 3/5 of senators present (this actually got 60.7%), it's 3/5 of *all* senators.

This means that literally every single senator in favor of filibustering something could not show up, and they would still succeed, even if the vote was 59-1 in favor

[President Johnson]

54 Yays
35 Nays

The nays have it. Democracy, everyone!

How many did it need?

60 is the minimum to invoke cloture, regardless of what % of the votes cast were actually in favor.

Cloture isn't just 3/5 of senators present (this actually got 60.7%), it's 3/5 of *all* senators.

This means that literally every single senator in favor of filibustering something could not show up, and they would still succeed, even if the vote was 59-1 in favor

This rule is beyond ridiculous.

[sting in the rafters]

Manchin is the problem here.  Democratic leadership either needs to really give some serious caves to him on whatever he wants in exchange for abolishing the filibuster, or the entire party needs to completely shun him.  Cut him off from funding, just totally break ties with him.

If that happens, he might actually switch parties, and then we lose the majority entirely.

What the f--k is the point of having a majority if we can't do jacks--- with it? Sure, the stimulus was solid however stonewalling the filibuster only kills any chance of getting the agenda Ds campaigned on passed. The standard-bearer for the party has made it clear he wants his agenda passed, the rest need to fall in line. Let alone a commission investigating a coup attempt.



At the very least they could move to a talking filibuster.