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« Reply #550 on: June 25, 2021, 07:14:05 AM »

Lol, we still don't have a VR bill and a Jan 6 the Commission, the reason why the Rs are in the Minority is because this is the Palin and Trump party not the Reagan, Bush or McCain party

Biden is not the most popular Prez, he advanced Clarence Thomas to the floor in a D Committee, LBJ is the best Prez ever for Thurgood Marshall that Clarence Thomas was appointed to, it's in my signature
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« Reply #551 on: June 25, 2021, 07:26:35 AM »


LOL.
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« Reply #552 on: June 25, 2021, 07:28:27 AM »

Manchin came through!



Trump had 4 years of infrastructure weeks and failed. Biden got it done in 5 months.

That's the heart of it-Trump could only focus on it for 7 days at most. Biden made it a priority, stuck at it and now could actually get it done.
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« Reply #553 on: June 25, 2021, 07:35:19 AM »


LOL.

At least they can pass this plus more in reconciliation. It's pretty simple. They can go with what has the votes of 60 senators or what has the votes of 50 senators.
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« Reply #554 on: June 25, 2021, 09:10:45 AM »


LOL.

it's not really though - but sam stein likes to doom so
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« Reply #555 on: June 25, 2021, 09:22:13 AM »

Excellent strategy by Biden. Turns out that having an experienced prez really matters and that Biden has learned the lessons from 2009.

If the GOPers pull out because Mr. Turtleman tells them to or because they don't like the 2nd bill, Dems should just pack everything in a big bill and get it done with 50 votes. Manchin then has to realize his colleagues from the other side of the aisle weren't negotiating in good faith. Offer him extra funds for WV if that's what it takes to get his vote. This things needs to be get done.
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« Reply #556 on: June 25, 2021, 10:18:06 AM »

Excellent strategy by Biden. Turns out that having an experienced prez really matters and that Biden has learned the lessons from 2009.

If the GOPers pull out because Mr. Turtleman tells them to or because they don't like the 2nd bill, Dems should just pack everything in a big bill and get it done with 50 votes. Manchin then has to realize his colleagues from the other side of the aisle weren't negotiating in good faith. Offer him extra funds for WV if that's what it takes to get his vote. This things needs to be get done.

The only problem with this is that the same thing could happen that happened with Republicans in 2017.
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« Reply #557 on: June 25, 2021, 12:59:11 PM »

Excellent strategy by Biden. Turns out that having an experienced prez really matters and that Biden has learned the lessons from 2009.

If the GOPers pull out because Mr. Turtleman tells them to or because they don't like the 2nd bill, Dems should just pack everything in a big bill and get it done with 50 votes. Manchin then has to realize his colleagues from the other side of the aisle weren't negotiating in good faith. Offer him extra funds for WV if that's what it takes to get his vote. This things needs to be get done.

The only problem with this is that the same thing could happen that happened with Republicans in 2017.
Everything Republicans did in 2017 and 2018 was unpopular. The tax cuts and Obamacare repeal is NOT what the American people want. Hence McCain oppossing it

Manchin knows the Democratic agenda is popular. He just has this weird boner for bipartisanship and is using his leveage as the 50th senator to get it
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« Reply #558 on: June 25, 2021, 02:20:34 PM »

Everything Republicans did in 2017 and 2018 was unpopular. The tax cuts and Obamacare repeal is NOT what the American people want. Hence McCain oppossing it

He didn't vote on the tax bill because of his illness but said he supported it. He said he voted against Obamacare repeal on process grounds, because it did not follow regular order.
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« Reply #559 on: June 25, 2021, 02:22:07 PM »

Everything Republicans did in 2017 and 2018 was unpopular. The tax cuts and Obamacare repeal is NOT what the American people want. Hence McCain oppossing it

He didn't vote on the tax bill because of his illness but said he supported it. He said he voted against Obamacare repeal on process grounds, because it did not follow regular order.

I suspect the underlying reason for McCain voting against ACA repeal was to give a final f*** you to Trump before he died.
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« Reply #560 on: June 25, 2021, 02:52:42 PM »

Well, I guess that's that:

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« Reply #561 on: June 25, 2021, 03:02:17 PM »

Womp womp wompppp. Hopefully Sinemanchin realize the bipartisan deal was for show and hop on the reconciliation train.
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« Reply #562 on: June 25, 2021, 03:18:30 PM »

Womp womp wompppp. Hopefully Sinemanchin realize the bipartisan deal was for show and hop on the reconciliation train.

Yeah they got their photo op, now time to vote the party line and railroad it all through.
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« Reply #563 on: June 25, 2021, 03:21:02 PM »

Well, I guess that's that:



What a fool. Either you want something done and actually legislate or not and you're just being an obstructionist/my way or the highway. Republicans just don't negotiate in good faith.
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« Reply #564 on: June 25, 2021, 03:25:01 PM »

The problem is, that we need a separate bill to address energy, not just drilling for oil which wrecks the Environment, Obama didn't do anything, all he did was open more drilling on the Continental Shelf, I remember that debate
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« Reply #565 on: June 25, 2021, 04:24:59 PM »

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Oregon Rep. Kurt Schrader, a member of the fiscally conscious Blue Dog Coalition, said in an interview that he’s planning to vote against a budget resolution that would include reconciliation instructions for trillions of dollars in additional spending. Another moderate House Democrat, who requested anonymity to speak freely about a position that would upset party leaders, said the same.

With those two expected “no” votes, Speaker Nancy Pelosi doesn’t have much more room to maneuver on that first step toward passing a big spending bill, let alone the reconciliation legislation itself that would contain all the details.
https://www.rollcall.com/2021/06/25/some-moderate-democrats-oppose-biden-spending-package-as-progressives-feared/
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« Reply #566 on: June 25, 2021, 05:03:56 PM »

Well, I guess that's that:



What a fool. Either you want something done and actually legislate or not and you're just being an obstructionist/my way or the highway. Republicans just don't negotiate in good faith.

The GOP must have lost their minds if they think threatening Joe Manchin is a good strategy

them walking away from this deal would be smack in the face to Joe Manchin and it would also make a lot of Dems on the left very happy

it would all but guarantee that Dems go it alone on infrastructure and at that point not even Joe Manchin would be willing to stop it since the GOP would be betraying him by walking away from a bipartisan deal that he help negotiate......
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« Reply #567 on: June 25, 2021, 05:09:09 PM »

Guessing the anonymous Dem is Luria or Spanberger. Both have been very uncooperative lately. Luria even voted against Barbara Lee's AUMF repeal (the only Dem to do so) which is something Marjorie Taylor Greene voted for.
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« Reply #568 on: June 25, 2021, 05:23:11 PM »

The media's lust for this project to fail is really blatant and disgusting.

We should defund the media.
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« Reply #569 on: June 25, 2021, 05:49:21 PM »

The media's lust for this project to fail is really blatant and disgusting.

We should defund the media.
Good thing the media is one publicly owned utility we can just get rid of and not a bunch of competing corporations with stakes in the game and their own sources of funding.
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« Reply #570 on: June 25, 2021, 05:55:34 PM »

Just to provide some context to why Republicans are so angry with President Biden over explicitly calling for a two-track infrastructure deal, and are backing away from negotiations:

Republicans plot an infrastructure 2-step: Spend more, then kill Biden’s agenda

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Senate Republicans are mulling support for a massive amount of new spending on infrastructure — in part because they think it’ll help kill President Joe Biden’s liberal agenda.

Minority Leader Mitch McConnell has yet to tip his hand on whether he supports the bipartisan negotiations on Biden's plan for roads and bridges that are being led by Sens. Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.) and Rob Portman (R-Ohio). But a growing number of Senate Republicans are betting that if a deal is reached on that sort of physical infrastructure, Democrats won’t have the votes needed to pass the rest of Biden’s “soft infrastructure” priorities, such as child care and clean energy.

This is from mid-June.  They only supported the compromise on the presumption that it would kill the rest of Biden's agenda.  Talk about being two-faced.....  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #571 on: June 25, 2021, 06:32:16 PM »

As I said before neither Obama with Boehner or Trump put together a comprehensive Energy program.

All the reservoirs are drying up in Cali, and there wasn't any Covid until 2020 Covid and Global Warming are a direct effect of oil drilling

The D's want to spend 6T on Green New Deal and Rs want to spend 0 but on bridges and roads and drill for oil

That's why Rs are backing away, Obama was set to have bullet trains in 2014 what happened, Rs took control of SENATE
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« Reply #572 on: June 25, 2021, 07:52:28 PM »

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Oregon Rep. Kurt Schrader, a member of the fiscally conscious Blue Dog Coalition, said in an interview that he’s planning to vote against a budget resolution that would include reconciliation instructions for trillions of dollars in additional spending. Another moderate House Democrat, who requested anonymity to speak freely about a position that would upset party leaders, said the same.

With those two expected “no” votes, Speaker Nancy Pelosi doesn’t have much more room to maneuver on that first step toward passing a big spending bill, let alone the reconciliation legislation itself that would contain all the details.
https://www.rollcall.com/2021/06/25/some-moderate-democrats-oppose-biden-spending-package-as-progressives-feared/

Schrader is a massive cuckold. I hope the other one isn't Jared Golden.
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« Reply #573 on: June 25, 2021, 09:19:55 PM »

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Oregon Rep. Kurt Schrader, a member of the fiscally conscious Blue Dog Coalition, said in an interview that he’s planning to vote against a budget resolution that would include reconciliation instructions for trillions of dollars in additional spending. Another moderate House Democrat, who requested anonymity to speak freely about a position that would upset party leaders, said the same.

With those two expected “no” votes, Speaker Nancy Pelosi doesn’t have much more room to maneuver on that first step toward passing a big spending bill, let alone the reconciliation legislation itself that would contain all the details.
https://www.rollcall.com/2021/06/25/some-moderate-democrats-oppose-biden-spending-package-as-progressives-feared/

Schrader is a massive cuckold. I hope the other one isn't Jared Golden.
Well at least Golden is in a Trump district, even if ‘fiscally conservative’ is usually the exact wrong way to campaign.
Schrader is sitting in Oregon 5 which is ‘close’ for Oregon, but Trump never got more than 44% percent there and Biden won by a 10 point spread.
Literally no excuse to be a blue dog.
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« Reply #574 on: June 25, 2021, 09:33:12 PM »

Well, I guess that's that:



What a fool. Either you want something done and actually legislate or not and you're just being an obstructionist/my way or the highway. Republicans just don't negotiate in good faith.

The GOP must have lost their minds if they think threatening Joe Manchin is a good strategy

them walking away from this deal would be smack in the face to Joe Manchin and it would also make a lot of Dems on the left very happy

it would all but guarantee that Dems go it alone on infrastructure and at that point not even Joe Manchin would be willing to stop it since the GOP would be betraying him by walking away from a bipartisan deal that he help negotiate......

Pelosi and Biden smacked Manchin in the face by announcing they weren't going to do the deal he worked on without the reconciliation bill first.
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