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« on: November 14, 2020, 03:00:34 PM »

I’m honestly asking. Discount the fact that Trump is claiming voter fraud is what prevented him from winning re-election. Why do you think there was voter fraud?

What evidence have you seen?  And, provided you have evidence of fraud, is it enough fraud to produce hundreds of thousands of miscounted ballots across multiple states?


Furthermore, would you support any attempt at keeping Trump in office despite the election results showing a strong victory for Biden?  “Any attempt” is defined as exactly that—anything which would allow Trump to continue serving as president.
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« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2020, 03:02:59 PM »

If anything, the evidence points to Republican voter fraud.
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« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2020, 03:04:24 PM »

Republicans be like
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« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2020, 03:19:13 PM »

They are just coping with their loss
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« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2020, 08:25:54 PM »

They can't, Gore and Hillary won the PVI that's why they claimed voter fraud, Trump has no standing to sue in with his own 6-3Conservative SCOTUS when he lost the PVI, that's why the SCOTUS is allowing the lower Crts to handle the case

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« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2020, 08:59:34 PM »

A lot of its anecdotal. It is NOT widespread. The technicality in PA of the ballots coming in after the deadline has disputed relevance.

But a lot of things seem odd, aside from the here and there bunches of ballots found or thrown in trash/hidden:

  • In Detroit, why did they cover up the windows of the ballot counting area?
  • Bunches of ballots would come in, tens of thousands just for Biden and ONLY BIDEN (and I'm not talking about the 4am MI thing that was a glitch, though there was a glitch as well that swapped Trump votes for Biden ones).
  • The whole Biden's votes don't follow Benford's Law argument.
  • The record turnouts in some areas that were into "election fraud warning levels" i.e. near or above 100%. This could be record registrations day-of but during the pandemic?
  • Oh, and the Dominion voting machines that can mark ballots and the other ballot counters connected to the internet, either susceptible to hacking

Hand recounts should resolve most of the questions here, so I'm waiting for that.
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« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2020, 09:30:02 PM »

The whole Biden's votes don't follow Benford's Law argument.

That "argument" is made by people who don't understand Benford's Law.


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« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2020, 09:48:48 PM »

The whole Biden's votes don't follow Benford's Law argument.

That "argument" is made by people who don't understand Benford's Law.




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« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2020, 10:10:42 PM »

In Detroit, why did they cover up the windows of the ballot counting area?.

After too many election observers (than the number permitted) showed up and the line between 'observing' and 'interfering' was crossed, the excess crowd was ejected from the room.  They started yelling and pounding on the windows, and then taking photos and videos.  That apparently intimidated the ballot counters (which is understandable given the kind of Very Online people likely watching whichever Facebook Live stream), so they covered the windows.  Keep in mind that over a hundred Republican observers were still permitted to be inside the room where the ballots were counted.

Interesting read: https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2020/11/06/tcf-center-detroit-ballot-counting/6173577002/
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« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2020, 10:54:20 PM »

Its a fundraising scam. There are swarms of locusts that gravitate towards Republicans, stir them up into a tizzy about the Democrats, Liberals, Socialists, Establishment, Rinos and then milk them for all their worth to stop it, without actually accomplishing much in tangible results except enriching themselves, weakening Conservatism in American and leaving the right vulnerable to quacks, con-men and fools who stir up strife to get rich.

Its the same consultant class sleeze that made Trump's pitch so appealing in 2016, he just became the latest pig at the trough.
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« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2020, 11:38:35 PM »


He has another good one debunking claims of voter fraud in Michigan:


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« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2020, 12:12:31 AM »

A lot of its anecdotal. It is NOT widespread. The technicality in PA of the ballots coming in after the deadline has disputed relevance.

But a lot of things seem odd, aside from the here and there bunches of ballots found or thrown in trash/hidden:

  • In Detroit, why did they cover up the windows of the ballot counting area?
  • Bunches of ballots would come in, tens of thousands just for Biden and ONLY BIDEN (and I'm not talking about the 4am MI thing that was a glitch, though there was a glitch as well that swapped Trump votes for Biden ones).
  • The whole Biden's votes don't follow Benford's Law argument.
  • The record turnouts in some areas that were into "election fraud warning levels" i.e. near or above 100%. This could be record registrations day-of but during the pandemic?
  • Oh, and the Dominion voting machines that can mark ballots and the other ballot counters connected to the internet, either susceptible to hacking

Hand recounts should resolve most of the questions here, so I'm waiting for that.

You really believe this?
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« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2020, 01:57:44 PM »

Oh my God my Math Hero MATT PARKER has been summoned!

Based Harry.
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« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2020, 01:59:26 PM »

Democrats won, therefore cheating
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« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2020, 02:02:01 PM »

A lot of its anecdotal. It is NOT widespread. The technicality in PA of the ballots coming in after the deadline has disputed relevance.

But a lot of things seem odd, aside from the here and there bunches of ballots found or thrown in trash/hidden:

  • In Detroit, why did they cover up the windows of the ballot counting area?
  • Bunches of ballots would come in, tens of thousands just for Biden and ONLY BIDEN (and I'm not talking about the 4am MI thing that was a glitch, though there was a glitch as well that swapped Trump votes for Biden ones).
  • The whole Biden's votes don't follow Benford's Law argument.
  • The record turnouts in some areas that were into "election fraud warning levels" i.e. near or above 100%. This could be record registrations day-of but during the pandemic?
  • Oh, and the Dominion voting machines that can mark ballots and the other ballot counters connected to the internet, either susceptible to hacking

Hand recounts should resolve most of the questions here, so I'm waiting for that.

Exclamation point (red)  This claim about election fraud is disputed
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« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2020, 02:06:22 PM »

A lot of its anecdotal. It is NOT widespread. The technicality in PA of the ballots coming in after the deadline has disputed relevance.

But a lot of things seem odd, aside from the here and there bunches of ballots found or thrown in trash/hidden:

    • In Detroit, why did they cover up the windows of the ballot counting area?
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    Hand recounts should resolve most of the questions here, so I'm waiting for that.

    Because Qtards outside were taking photos of ballots, which is illegal.

    Literally 15 seconds of googling answered that.
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    « Reply #16 on: November 15, 2020, 02:11:37 PM »



    Yep.

    And really all we won was the presidency.  We did ran either even or behind in everything else.  I have yet to read one argument as to why we would rig the election but have our candidates lose so much.
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    « Reply #17 on: November 15, 2020, 02:20:54 PM »

    A lot of its anecdotal. It is NOT widespread. The technicality in PA of the ballots coming in after the deadline has disputed relevance.

    But a lot of things seem odd, aside from the here and there bunches of ballots found or thrown in trash/hidden:

    • In Detroit, why did they cover up the windows of the ballot counting area?
    • Bunches of ballots would come in, tens of thousands just for Biden and ONLY BIDEN (and I'm not talking about the 4am MI thing that was a glitch, though there was a glitch as well that swapped Trump votes for Biden ones).
    • The whole Biden's votes don't follow Benford's Law argument.
    • The record turnouts in some areas that were into "election fraud warning levels" i.e. near or above 100%. This could be record registrations day-of but during the pandemic?
    • Oh, and the Dominion voting machines that can mark ballots and the other ballot counters connected to the internet, either susceptible to hacking

    Hand recounts should resolve most of the questions here, so I'm waiting for that.

    We'll know when these things are investigated.

    There are two (2) questions:  One is whether or not there was voter fraud.  The other was whether or not the voter fraud was sufficient to change the outcome of the Presidential elections.

    That there may have been fraud when fraud wasn't necessary for a Biden win is not "No Harm, No Foul". 

    The issue is not that there were computer glitches, boxes of ballots suddenly turning up, poll watchers and observers denied access, changes of rules by partisan Courts that were later overturned, failures to properly validating signatures, that Biden states were called prematurely while Trump states weren't called until this past week, or that Trump's leads all vanished while Biden's leads remained.  The issue is that every break went Biden's way.  And every break went Biden's way after a race where (A) Trump was viciously cross-examined in a Town Hall while Biden was given softballs from a Democratic partisan posing as a journalist, (B) the entire media refused to cover the Hunter Biden influence peddling story, a story that would have been front page in any other campaign, and (C) a vast array of polls showed Trump to be hopelessly behind when, in fact, he's still in the race (though ever so barely).  To say nothing about the large number of mail-in ballots being sent out without being solicited.  There is no reason Trump's supporters should just write all of that off as coincidence, and there is no reason not to fully investigate how MI, WI, GA, PA, AZ, and NV counted their votes. 

    Voter fraud is something that's not confirmed until AFTER an investigation is conducted.  Not before.  Voter fraud is a covert operation; the goal is for it to remain secret from inception to eternity.  There are enough irregularities on their face that represent a "loss of cover" for such an operation.  If it's so important for the American people to know that their election was fair, there should be no opposition to all recounts and Trump's legal challenges. 
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    « Reply #18 on: November 15, 2020, 02:25:36 PM »

    Step 1) Sabotage vote counting so that Biden voters are counted later
    Step 2) Raise ‘serious questions’ based on the ramblings of conspiracy theorists
    Step 3) Scream about how every EVERY BREAK went Biden’s way, therefore suspicious, throw out the election
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    « Reply #19 on: November 15, 2020, 02:42:16 PM »

    A lot of its anecdotal. It is NOT widespread. The technicality in PA of the ballots coming in after the deadline has disputed relevance.

    But a lot of things seem odd, aside from the here and there bunches of ballots found or thrown in trash/hidden:

    • In Detroit, why did they cover up the windows of the ballot counting area?
    • Bunches of ballots would come in, tens of thousands just for Biden and ONLY BIDEN (and I'm not talking about the 4am MI thing that was a glitch, though there was a glitch as well that swapped Trump votes for Biden ones).
    • The whole Biden's votes don't follow Benford's Law argument.
    • The record turnouts in some areas that were into "election fraud warning levels" i.e. near or above 100%. This could be record registrations day-of but during the pandemic?
    • Oh, and the Dominion voting machines that can mark ballots and the other ballot counters connected to the internet, either susceptible to hacking

    Hand recounts should resolve most of the questions here, so I'm waiting for that.

    We'll know when these things are investigated.

    There are two (2) questions:  One is whether or not there was voter fraud.  The other was whether or not the voter fraud was sufficient to change the outcome of the Presidential elections.

    That there may have been fraud when fraud wasn't necessary for a Biden win is not "No Harm, No Foul". 

    The issue is not that there were computer glitches, boxes of ballots suddenly turning up, poll watchers and observers denied access, changes of rules by partisan Courts that were later overturned, failures to properly validating signatures, that Biden states were called prematurely while Trump states weren't called until this past week, or that Trump's leads all vanished while Biden's leads remained.  The issue is that every break went Biden's way.  And every break went Biden's way after a race where (A) Trump was viciously cross-examined in a Town Hall while Biden was given softballs from a Democratic partisan posing as a journalist, (B) the entire media refused to cover the Hunter Biden influence peddling story, a story that would have been front page in any other campaign, and (C) a vast array of polls showed Trump to be hopelessly behind when, in fact, he's still in the race (though ever so barely).  To say nothing about the large number of mail-in ballots being sent out without being solicited.  There is no reason Trump's supporters should just write all of that off as coincidence, and there is no reason not to fully investigate how MI, WI, GA, PA, AZ, and NV counted their votes. 

    Voter fraud is something that's not confirmed until AFTER an investigation is conducted.  Not before.  Voter fraud is a covert operation; the goal is for it to remain secret from inception to eternity.  There are enough irregularities on their face that represent a "loss of cover" for such an operation.  If it's so important for the American people to know that their election was fair, there should be no opposition to all recounts and Trump's legal challenges. 
    Also, you don’t actually believe this.

    Evidence, Donald Trump put his son in law in charge of everything from Middle East peace to the coronavirus response, including that Saudi blockade of Qatar that mysterious started when Kush was going bankrupt and ended under US pressure after Qataris put 600 million into his failing buildings and him purposefully withholding the national stockpile of medical equipment from state governments and seizing imported shipments so he could instead arrange sales via private contractors, Donald Trump has maintained his stake in personal business, including a Hotel immediately outside the Whitehouse with his name on it, and crushed legal actions against foreign nationals in countries he wanted to business with, see Turkey/Barr, Donald Trump used press conference to advertise for business that supported him, from Goya to his coronavirus briefing puffing quest diagnostics and Walmart. Donald Trump’s daughter had Chinese trade-marks fast tracked immediately after he became President. Donald Trump was maintaining a Chinese bank account throughout his presidency.

    You can not actually care about Hunter Biden’s alleged laptop and not any of the above.
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    « Reply #20 on: November 15, 2020, 02:43:38 PM »

    lmaooooo Benfords law
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    « Reply #21 on: November 15, 2020, 02:50:45 PM »

    A lot of its anecdotal. It is NOT widespread. The technicality in PA of the ballots coming in after the deadline has disputed relevance.

    But a lot of things seem odd, aside from the here and there bunches of ballots found or thrown in trash/hidden:

    • In Detroit, why did they cover up the windows of the ballot counting area?
    • Bunches of ballots would come in, tens of thousands just for Biden and ONLY BIDEN (and I'm not talking about the 4am MI thing that was a glitch, though there was a glitch as well that swapped Trump votes for Biden ones).
    • The whole Biden's votes don't follow Benford's Law argument.
    • The record turnouts in some areas that were into "election fraud warning levels" i.e. near or above 100%. This could be record registrations day-of but during the pandemic?
    • Oh, and the Dominion voting machines that can mark ballots and the other ballot counters connected to the internet, either susceptible to hacking

    Hand recounts should resolve most of the questions here, so I'm waiting for that.

    We'll know when these things are investigated.

    There are two (2) questions:  One is whether or not there was voter fraud.  The other was whether or not the voter fraud was sufficient to change the outcome of the Presidential elections.

    That there may have been fraud when fraud wasn't necessary for a Biden win is not "No Harm, No Foul". 

    The issue is not that there were computer glitches, boxes of ballots suddenly turning up, poll watchers and observers denied access, changes of rules by partisan Courts that were later overturned, failures to properly validating signatures, that Biden states were called prematurely while Trump states weren't called until this past week, or that Trump's leads all vanished while Biden's leads remained.  The issue is that every break went Biden's way.  And every break went Biden's way after a race where (A) Trump was viciously cross-examined in a Town Hall while Biden was given softballs from a Democratic partisan posing as a journalist, (B) the entire media refused to cover the Hunter Biden influence peddling story, a story that would have been front page in any other campaign, and (C) a vast array of polls showed Trump to be hopelessly behind when, in fact, he's still in the race (though ever so barely).  To say nothing about the large number of mail-in ballots being sent out without being solicited.  There is no reason Trump's supporters should just write all of that off as coincidence, and there is no reason not to fully investigate how MI, WI, GA, PA, AZ, and NV counted their votes. 

    Voter fraud is something that's not confirmed until AFTER an investigation is conducted.  Not before.  Voter fraud is a covert operation; the goal is for it to remain secret from inception to eternity.  There are enough irregularities on their face that represent a "loss of cover" for such an operation.  If it's so important for the American people to know that their election was fair, there should be no opposition to all recounts and Trump's legal challenges. 
    Also, you don’t actually believe this.

    Evidence, Donald Trump put his son in law in charge of everything from Middle East peace to the coronavirus response, including that Saudi blockade of Qatar that mysterious started when Kush was going bankrupt and ended under US pressure after Qataris put 600 million into his failing buildings and him purposefully withholding the national stockpile of medical equipment from state governments and seizing imported shipments so he could instead arrange sales via private contractors, Donald Trump has maintained his stake in personal business, including a Hotel immediately outside the Whitehouse with his name on it, and crushed legal actions against foreign nationals in countries he wanted to business with, see Turkey/Barr, Donald Trump used press conference to advertise for business that supported him, from Goya to his coronavirus briefing puffing quest diagnostics and Walmart. Donald Trump’s daughter had Chinese trade-marks fast tracked immediately after he became President. Donald Trump was maintaining a Chinese bank account throughout his presidency.

    You can not actually care about Hunter Biden’s alleged laptop and not any of the above.

    Trump's peace treaties are remarkable achievements.  They are game-changers that rewrote the book on how to make peace in the Middle East.  They represent long-overdue outside-the-box thinking that produced fruit.

    The Palestinians are not the key to peace in the Middle East.  Let them be isolated as others reconcile with Israel.  I'm fine with that.

    Your Emoluments Clause arguments have been, and remain, a non-starter.
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    « Reply #22 on: November 15, 2020, 02:55:45 PM »

    A lot of its anecdotal. It is NOT widespread. The technicality in PA of the ballots coming in after the deadline has disputed relevance.

    But a lot of things seem odd, aside from the here and there bunches of ballots found or thrown in trash/hidden:

    • In Detroit, why did they cover up the windows of the ballot counting area?
    • Bunches of ballots would come in, tens of thousands just for Biden and ONLY BIDEN (and I'm not talking about the 4am MI thing that was a glitch, though there was a glitch as well that swapped Trump votes for Biden ones).
    • The whole Biden's votes don't follow Benford's Law argument.
    • The record turnouts in some areas that were into "election fraud warning levels" i.e. near or above 100%. This could be record registrations day-of but during the pandemic?
    • Oh, and the Dominion voting machines that can mark ballots and the other ballot counters connected to the internet, either susceptible to hacking

    Hand recounts should resolve most of the questions here, so I'm waiting for that.

    We'll know when these things are investigated.

    There are two (2) questions:  One is whether or not there was voter fraud.  The other was whether or not the voter fraud was sufficient to change the outcome of the Presidential elections.

    That there may have been fraud when fraud wasn't necessary for a Biden win is not "No Harm, No Foul". 

    The issue is not that there were computer glitches, boxes of ballots suddenly turning up, poll watchers and observers denied access, changes of rules by partisan Courts that were later overturned, failures to properly validating signatures, that Biden states were called prematurely while Trump states weren't called until this past week, or that Trump's leads all vanished while Biden's leads remained.  The issue is that every break went Biden's way.  And every break went Biden's way after a race where (A) Trump was viciously cross-examined in a Town Hall while Biden was given softballs from a Democratic partisan posing as a journalist, (B) the entire media refused to cover the Hunter Biden influence peddling story, a story that would have been front page in any other campaign, and (C) a vast array of polls showed Trump to be hopelessly behind when, in fact, he's still in the race (though ever so barely).  To say nothing about the large number of mail-in ballots being sent out without being solicited.  There is no reason Trump's supporters should just write all of that off as coincidence, and there is no reason not to fully investigate how MI, WI, GA, PA, AZ, and NV counted their votes. 

    Voter fraud is something that's not confirmed until AFTER an investigation is conducted.  Not before.  Voter fraud is a covert operation; the goal is for it to remain secret from inception to eternity.  There are enough irregularities on their face that represent a "loss of cover" for such an operation.  If it's so important for the American people to know that their election was fair, there should be no opposition to all recounts and Trump's legal challenges. 
    Also, you don’t actually believe this.

    Evidence, Donald Trump put his son in law in charge of everything from Middle East peace to the coronavirus response, including that Saudi blockade of Qatar that mysterious started when Kush was going bankrupt and ended under US pressure after Qataris put 600 million into his failing buildings and him purposefully withholding the national stockpile of medical equipment from state governments and seizing imported shipments so he could instead arrange sales via private contractors, Donald Trump has maintained his stake in personal business, including a Hotel immediately outside the Whitehouse with his name on it, and crushed legal actions against foreign nationals in countries he wanted to business with, see Turkey/Barr, Donald Trump used press conference to advertise for business that supported him, from Goya to his coronavirus briefing puffing quest diagnostics and Walmart. Donald Trump’s daughter had Chinese trade-marks fast tracked immediately after he became President. Donald Trump was maintaining a Chinese bank account throughout his presidency.

    You can not actually care about Hunter Biden’s alleged laptop and not any of the above.

    Trump's peace treaties are remarkable achievements.  They are game-changers that rewrote the book on how to make peace in the Middle East.  They represent long-overdue outside-the-box thinking that produced fruit.

    The Palestinians are not the key to peace in the Middle East.  Let them be isolated as others reconcile with Israel.  I'm fine with that.

    Your Emoluments Clause arguments have been, and remain, a non-starter.
    Ummm, that’s not a response.

    Why is it ok for the Trump family to profit directly from the Presidency and for his daughter and her husband and to have massive policy portfolios without even holding any official position? And if it is ok, why are you so worried about Hunter Biden?
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    « Reply #23 on: November 15, 2020, 03:13:44 PM »
    « Edited: November 15, 2020, 03:17:36 PM by Jack Dorsey is a Role Model Around Here! »

    A lot of its anecdotal. It is NOT widespread. The technicality in PA of the ballots coming in after the deadline has disputed relevance.

    But a lot of things seem odd, aside from the here and there bunches of ballots found or thrown in trash/hidden:

    • In Detroit, why did they cover up the windows of the ballot counting area?
    • Bunches of ballots would come in, tens of thousands just for Biden and ONLY BIDEN (and I'm not talking about the 4am MI thing that was a glitch, though there was a glitch as well that swapped Trump votes for Biden ones).
    • The whole Biden's votes don't follow Benford's Law argument.
    • The record turnouts in some areas that were into "election fraud warning levels" i.e. near or above 100%. This could be record registrations day-of but during the pandemic?
    • Oh, and the Dominion voting machines that can mark ballots and the other ballot counters connected to the internet, either susceptible to hacking

    Hand recounts should resolve most of the questions here, so I'm waiting for that.

    We'll know when these things are investigated.

    There are two (2) questions:  One is whether or not there was voter fraud.  The other was whether or not the voter fraud was sufficient to change the outcome of the Presidential elections.

    That there may have been fraud when fraud wasn't necessary for a Biden win is not "No Harm, No Foul".  

    The issue is not that there were computer glitches, boxes of ballots suddenly turning up, poll watchers and observers denied access, changes of rules by partisan Courts that were later overturned, failures to properly validating signatures, that Biden states were called prematurely while Trump states weren't called until this past week, or that Trump's leads all vanished while Biden's leads remained.  The issue is that every break went Biden's way.  And every break went Biden's way after a race where (A) Trump was viciously cross-examined in a Town Hall while Biden was given softballs from a Democratic partisan posing as a journalist, (B) the entire media refused to cover the Hunter Biden influence peddling story, a story that would have been front page in any other campaign, and (C) a vast array of polls showed Trump to be hopelessly behind when, in fact, he's still in the race (though ever so barely).  To say nothing about the large number of mail-in ballots being sent out without being solicited.  There is no reason Trump's supporters should just write all of that off as coincidence, and there is no reason not to fully investigate how MI, WI, GA, PA, AZ, and NV counted their votes.  

    Voter fraud is something that's not confirmed until AFTER an investigation is conducted.  Not before.  Voter fraud is a covert operation; the goal is for it to remain secret from inception to eternity.  There are enough irregularities on their face that represent a "loss of cover" for such an operation.  If it's so important for the American people to know that their election was fair, there should be no opposition to all recounts and Trump's legal challenges.  
    Also, you don’t actually believe this.

    Evidence, Donald Trump put his son in law in charge of everything from Middle East peace to the coronavirus response, including that Saudi blockade of Qatar that mysterious started when Kush was going bankrupt and ended under US pressure after Qataris put 600 million into his failing buildings and him purposefully withholding the national stockpile of medical equipment from state governments and seizing imported shipments so he could instead arrange sales via private contractors, Donald Trump has maintained his stake in personal business, including a Hotel immediately outside the Whitehouse with his name on it, and crushed legal actions against foreign nationals in countries he wanted to business with, see Turkey/Barr, Donald Trump used press conference to advertise for business that supported him, from Goya to his coronavirus briefing puffing quest diagnostics and Walmart. Donald Trump’s daughter had Chinese trade-marks fast tracked immediately after he became President. Donald Trump was maintaining a Chinese bank account throughout his presidency.

    You can not actually care about Hunter Biden’s alleged laptop and not any of the above.

    Trump's peace treaties are remarkable achievements.  They are game-changers that rewrote the book on how to make peace in the Middle East.  They represent long-overdue outside-the-box thinking that produced fruit.

    The Palestinians are not the key to peace in the Middle East.  Let them be isolated as others reconcile with Israel.  I'm fine with that.

    Your Emoluments Clause arguments have been, and remain, a non-starter.
    Ummm, that’s not a response.

    Why is it ok for the Trump family to profit directly from the Presidency and for his daughter and her husband and to have massive policy portfolios without even holding any official position? And if it is ok, why are you so worried about Hunter Biden?


    I am not so much worried about Hunter Biden as I am worried about what he represents.

    There have been Hunter Bidens in multiple Administrations to one degree or another.  The difference is that this one is ignored by the mainstream media.  This is a story that is legitimate and a story that would have been front page news in any other campaign.  This is a question that would have been asked in the FIRST debate.  

    That the media is so un-curious is a cause for all to be concerned about.
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    « Reply #24 on: November 15, 2020, 03:25:36 PM »

    A lot of its anecdotal. It is NOT widespread. The technicality in PA of the ballots coming in after the deadline has disputed relevance.

    But a lot of things seem odd, aside from the here and there bunches of ballots found or thrown in trash/hidden:

    • In Detroit, why did they cover up the windows of the ballot counting area?
    • Bunches of ballots would come in, tens of thousands just for Biden and ONLY BIDEN (and I'm not talking about the 4am MI thing that was a glitch, though there was a glitch as well that swapped Trump votes for Biden ones).
    • The whole Biden's votes don't follow Benford's Law argument.
    • The record turnouts in some areas that were into "election fraud warning levels" i.e. near or above 100%. This could be record registrations day-of but during the pandemic?
    • Oh, and the Dominion voting machines that can mark ballots and the other ballot counters connected to the internet, either susceptible to hacking

    Hand recounts should resolve most of the questions here, so I'm waiting for that.

    We'll know when these things are investigated.

    There are two (2) questions:  One is whether or not there was voter fraud.  The other was whether or not the voter fraud was sufficient to change the outcome of the Presidential elections.

    That there may have been fraud when fraud wasn't necessary for a Biden win is not "No Harm, No Foul".  

    The issue is not that there were computer glitches, boxes of ballots suddenly turning up, poll watchers and observers denied access, changes of rules by partisan Courts that were later overturned, failures to properly validating signatures, that Biden states were called prematurely while Trump states weren't called until this past week, or that Trump's leads all vanished while Biden's leads remained.  The issue is that every break went Biden's way.  And every break went Biden's way after a race where (A) Trump was viciously cross-examined in a Town Hall while Biden was given softballs from a Democratic partisan posing as a journalist, (B) the entire media refused to cover the Hunter Biden influence peddling story, a story that would have been front page in any other campaign, and (C) a vast array of polls showed Trump to be hopelessly behind when, in fact, he's still in the race (though ever so barely).  To say nothing about the large number of mail-in ballots being sent out without being solicited.  There is no reason Trump's supporters should just write all of that off as coincidence, and there is no reason not to fully investigate how MI, WI, GA, PA, AZ, and NV counted their votes.  

    Voter fraud is something that's not confirmed until AFTER an investigation is conducted.  Not before.  Voter fraud is a covert operation; the goal is for it to remain secret from inception to eternity.  There are enough irregularities on their face that represent a "loss of cover" for such an operation.  If it's so important for the American people to know that their election was fair, there should be no opposition to all recounts and Trump's legal challenges.  

    What happened in PA MI WI was not a surprise at all, statisticians for months were talking about a red mirage in those states(especially in PA) due to the fact the mail in ballots were not counted until after the in person ballots were counted and since Trump told his supporters not to trust mail in voting that meant the mail in ballots were obviously gonna be extremely democratic.


    Also while Trump did have a 600k vote lead on election day in PA , I pretty much knew that it wasnt enough due to this: https://electproject.github.io/Early-Vote-2020G/PA.html .








    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-pennsylvanias-vote-count-could-change-after-election-night/

    This graph is basically what happened



    About the Media , they have been biased for the Democrats in every election since 1960 with the possible exceptions of 1972 and 1984
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