Quinnipiac: Biden +11 in FL, +13 in PA, +5 in IA
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« Reply #75 on: October 07, 2020, 05:59:41 PM »

There is no way Biden wins Florida by double digits. Such a thing just cannot be. It'd break the fabric of reality.

About like Iowa being almost a double-digit win for Trump in 2016. Florida never goes double-digits for anyone (OK, it did go 15% for Ike in 1956 and 15% for Truman in 1948.

At this point I am seeing signs of an Eisenhower-scale landslide. I have compared Obama to Eisenhower for winning more like Ike than like Carter. Iowa is reverting to its pre-2016 norm, which isn't so surprising. Iowa going away from Trump?  Pennsylvania never did that well for Obama, and you will note that Colorado and Virginia are likely in the double-digit range for Biden. Democrats have won the voters who best resemble the old Eisenhower-Rockefeller Republicans. That sort of thing can happen over decades.

Iowa going away from Trump? I remember seeing polls from a couple years ago in which Trump had approval numbers near 40% during the trade wars. Iowa gave a firm majority to Democrats in House elections in 2018, so one can easily imagine Trump losing in Iowa.

  
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« Reply #76 on: October 07, 2020, 06:09:30 PM »
« Edited: October 07, 2020, 06:12:35 PM by Kansas City Suburbanite for Orman-Clinton-Kelly For Marshall »

Trump is getting blown out of the water in the Northeast, there is a ton of NJ/NY transplants in FL. When the Northeast swings left, so does Florida. Trump is losing NY by over 30 points. NJ is going to be a bloodbath as well. There also a lot of Midwest transplants too, Biden's big wins in the Upper Midwest is going to help in FL too.
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« Reply #77 on: October 07, 2020, 06:51:22 PM »

This does in fairness match up with some of the national polling we've seen.

But I think the key factor here is that Trump's vote share (especially in Florida) is unusually low due to demoralisation. If the rest of the campaign stabilises (relatively) I imagine most of those undecideds go back home.
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« Reply #78 on: October 07, 2020, 06:56:45 PM »

I almost wish that Quinnipiac would intentionally alter their Florida polls to be closer so they can get their credibility back. I really want to be excited by these numbers here, but I just can't trust them after the Florida debacle from 2018.
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« Reply #79 on: November 04, 2020, 06:33:20 PM »

Quinnipiac polling should be defunded or banned for distribution.  Hoax poll!
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« Reply #80 on: November 04, 2020, 06:35:20 PM »

lol
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« Reply #81 on: November 05, 2020, 01:02:46 AM »

Muh gold standard.
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« Reply #82 on: November 05, 2020, 01:04:40 AM »

Quinnipiac has always been bad. I don't understand why anyone would take any of their polls seriously.
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« Reply #83 on: November 05, 2020, 01:16:02 AM »

Quinnipiac lost all crediability and shouldn't be posted. Trafulgar is better.
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« Reply #84 on: November 05, 2020, 05:13:38 AM »


Quinnipiac is a high-quality poll and perhaps a gold standard and Trafalgar is a fraudulent garbage poll that shouldn't even be considered. That's where Dems who follow frauds like Nate Silver and Dave Wasserman were at. They lectured and insulted anybody who called into question these polls and their ridiculous margins as being "non-data driven". They said the polls would not have the same problems that they did in 2016 because they changed their methodologies. For months. To say that we should never trust them (really, just certain ones) again is not unreasonable or hyperbolic at this point.

Maybe, just maybe they should do an autopsy and try to figure out what went wrong. It's too bad though, because they're incentivized to provide Dem-inflated numbers so fraudsters like Silver can prop up a narrative that Democrats are winning. Election after election.
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« Reply #85 on: November 05, 2020, 05:17:34 AM »


Quinnipiac is a high-quality poll and perhaps a gold standard and Trafalgar is a fraudulent garbage poll that shouldn't even be considered. That's where Dems who follow frauds like Nate Silver and Dave Wasserman were at. They lectured and insulted anybody who called into question these polls and their ridiculous margins as being "non-data driven". They said the polls would not have the same problems that they did in 2016 because they changed their methodologies. For months. To say that we should never trust them (really, just certain ones) again is not unreasonable or hyperbolic at this point.

Maybe, just maybe they should do an autopsy and try to figure out what went wrong. It's too bad though, because they're incentivized to provide Dem-inflated numbers so fraudsters like Silver can prop up a narrative that Democrats are winning. Election after election.

I think it's a bit bizarre to suggest pollsters deliberately set out to destroy their own credibility, especially after witnessing firsthand on this forum how many liberal consumers wanted to be told their favoured candidates were trailing.

Trafalgar still doesn't make any more sense than it did before the election and pollsters did not have the same problems as they did in 2016. They were much worse.
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« Reply #86 on: November 05, 2020, 05:39:18 AM »


Quinnipiac is a high-quality poll and perhaps a gold standard and Trafalgar is a fraudulent garbage poll that shouldn't even be considered. That's where Dems who follow frauds like Nate Silver and Dave Wasserman were at. They lectured and insulted anybody who called into question these polls and their ridiculous margins as being "non-data driven". They said the polls would not have the same problems that they did in 2016 because they changed their methodologies. For months. To say that we should never trust them (really, just certain ones) again is not unreasonable or hyperbolic at this point.

Maybe, just maybe they should do an autopsy and try to figure out what went wrong. It's too bad though, because they're incentivized to provide Dem-inflated numbers so fraudsters like Silver can prop up a narrative that Democrats are winning. Election after election.

I think it's a bit bizarre to suggest pollsters deliberately set out to destroy their own credibility, especially after witnessing firsthand on this forum how many liberal consumers wanted to be told their favoured candidates were trailing.

Trafalgar still doesn't make any more sense than it did before the election and pollsters did not have the same problems as they did in 2016. They were much worse.

I don't think they're deliberately trying to destroy their credibility. It's incredibly easy to get a Dem-inflated poll because the most Dem-trending groups are the ones most likely to respond to pollsters quickest, it's very difficult and time-consuming to get the representation required in rural areas and R-trending groups. Many of them either are aware of this problem and don't have the resources/time to fix it, or they are aware of it but decide that if they stray to much from the herd in an R-friendly way, they get attacked and maligned by Silver and co. It's the media and university polls that are propped up as high-quality that were the worst, due to this kind of herding/pressure. Most other pollsters were more accurate but were still off due to the natural difficulties of polling today.

And yes, the polls were much worse in 2020 than 2016. My point is that no one who analyzes elections on the left saw that coming and wishfully thought 2016's polling errors were because of a 'perfect storm' where people all broke for Trump last second, there was lots of third party/undecided vote, and the Comey letter eroded Hillary's support. Some of these things I have debunked and many of them just are excuses that don't fully explain what happened. The truth is in 2020 that there was a decent consistent number (5-10%) of people who were undecided or third party the entire time, and they broke late and hard for Trump. In hindsight, people didn't want to talk about this, but that's the "hidden" vote. It's a small 1-4% that say they're "undecided" or voting for a third party when they're really not. They were going to vote for Trump all along but didn't want to admit it to the pollster or even to themselves sometimes.

That doesn't even fully explain what happened in 2020 though, I hope this "stable, less third party, less undecided" election proved to all of you that the problems that pollsters have now in 2020 were present in 2016 but to a smaller degree. The polls were not good in 2016, and the excuses that the left made for them being off didn't fully explain why. They were atrocious in 2020, both because polling the Trump/R coalition is getting more difficult and because of herding due to the media and experts being in lockstep trying to push their projections that happen to align with what they want to happen.
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« Reply #87 on: November 05, 2020, 05:47:02 AM »

I'd say whatever Trafalgar is doing, they're getting right--they were the primary individual pollster I weighted into my predictions along with the general averages.
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« Reply #88 on: November 05, 2020, 10:47:29 AM »

It's time to abolish Quinnipiac
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« Reply #89 on: November 05, 2020, 12:12:30 PM »

Kinda proud of myself that I called Florida and Iowa correctly despite these garbage polls...
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« Reply #90 on: November 05, 2020, 02:00:21 PM »

Quinnipiac is a laughingstock at this point. I very well remember their Gillum +12 poll from 2018 weeks to the election. They have learned nothing.
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« Reply #91 on: November 14, 2020, 10:48:13 AM »

Remember what happened when people doubted Quinnipiac about the Virginia Governor's race.

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« Reply #92 on: November 15, 2020, 02:40:23 AM »

Plus 5 in IA, please
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