Trump campaign trying to put loyal electors in battleground states

[Hindsight was 2020]

https://mobile.twitter.com/mckaycoppins/status/1308752801766543362
https://mobile.twitter.com/mckaycoppins/status/1308754235815755776
And before the “Fake News” crowd shows up the Trump campaign admit to it in the article
https://mobile.twitter.com/mckaycoppins/status/1308757118330253313

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

I can't wait until I don't have to hear the name "Trump" ever again. Also, if this happens, the Electoral College should be ABOLISHED.

[ultraviolet]

I was thinking about a scenario the other day of a close election (whoever wins), and the losing side would try to sway over some electors. Then the other side does that too and it goes on and on until there are hundreds of faithless electors by the time the electoral college votes. Is this possible, and if so would it lead to huge electoral reform?

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/MarcACaputo/status/1308761708215840768

[Roll Roons]

I can't wait until I don't have to hear the name "Trump" ever again. Also, if this happens, the Electoral College should be ABOLISHED.

"I'll never speak to you again! You'll never see me again!"

[compucomp]

This kind of puts in perspective the discussions we have on this forum, we discuss the issues, political trends, polls, events, etc, but at the end of the day it may all be irrelevant when Trump declares himself winner and launches a Third World-esque coup like this.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

He wouldn't be bleeding suburban support from soccer moms he just puts on a mask and calls for a national mask mandate. Even McConnell said he should do that, he refuses. Trump will lose

[DrScholl]

That would trigger an EDSA level revolution. People would fill the streets like never before and protest such a mad power grab.

https://twitter.com/MarcACaputo/status/1308761708215840768

Saying no right now doesn't mean the option is off the table. If Trump comes up with some bogus fraud claims that is all Republicans need to pull a stunt.

[compucomp]

I can't wait until I don't have to hear the name "Trump" ever again. Also, if this happens, the Electoral College should be ABOLISHED.

If Trump successfully pulls this off, the next step is to declare the Democratic party a terrorist organization, arrest everyone registered as one, suspend the Constitution, and govern as dictator. The Electoral College will be abolished, just not the way you think it will 

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Texas and Arizona all have Republican-controlled legislatures.

However, of those, only Georgia, Florida, Texas and Arizona have Republican governors. If there are disputed electoral slates - if the Governor sends one slate and the legislature (or other government body, such as AZ's Democratic Secretary of State) sends a different slate, the Governor's slate is legally the valid one, unless both houses of Congress agree to a different valid slate. That could give us map like this:

This particular tactic alone will not serve to put Demagogue Don back into the White House. However, in conjunction with his other already-revealed tactics, it is be part of a Republican attempt to overthrow the election results with the color of legitimacy.

[Ferguson97]

I fully support this.

Of course you do.

Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Texas and Arizona all have Republican-controlled legislatures.

However, of those, only Georgia, Florida, Texas and Arizona have Republican governors. If there are disputed electoral slates - if the Governor sends one slate and the legislature (or other government body, such as AZ's Democratic Secretary of State) sends a different slate, the Governor's slate is legally the valid one, unless both houses of Congress agree to a different valid slate. That could give us map like this:

This particular tactic alone will not serve to put Demagogue Don back into the White House. However, in conjunction with his other already-revealed tactics, it is be part of a Republican attempt to overthrow the election results with the color of legitimacy.

But if Biden legitimately loses Pennsylvania, but legitimately wins Arizona and Florida (usurped by Trump's faithless electors) - then Trump's plan would work, right? So Biden would need to win Pennsylvania in this scenario.

[compucomp]

Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Texas and Arizona all have Republican-controlled legislatures.

However, of those, only Georgia, Florida, Texas and Arizona have Republican governors. If there are disputed electoral slates - if the Governor sends one slate and the legislature (or other government body, such as AZ's Democratic Secretary of State) sends a different slate, the Governor's slate is legally the valid one, unless both houses of Congress agree to a different valid slate. That could give us map like this:

This particular tactic alone will not serve to put Demagogue Don back into the White House. However, in conjunction with his other already-revealed tactics, it is be part of a Republican attempt to overthrow the election results with the color of legitimacy.

But if Biden legitimately loses Pennsylvania, but legitimately wins Arizona and Florida (usurped by Trump's faithless electors) - then Trump's plan would work, right? So Biden would need to win Pennsylvania in this scenario.

If the Republicans actually try this, then the Dems should retaliate with Roy Cooper (D-NC) and Tom Wolf (D-PA) certifying Democratic electors even if Trump legitimately won their states.

Is it certain that Congress will accept the governor's slate of electors? Or would Congress throw out all electors from disputed states, resulting surely in neither Biden nor Trump having 270 electoral votes and a total mess?

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

Electors have the constitutional right to choose whoever they want, so there is nothing wrong with this.

So if Trump initially won, and then faithless electors swung the election to Biden you would be okay with that?

Stop appealing to decency or irrelevant principles! The arguments being made are not honest and there's a good chance that certain legislators insisting they wouldn't - especially FL legislators who have worked to disenfranchise 5% of the state - are not honest, either.

If Democrats keep waiting for Republicans to overreach before trying to install safeguards against it, their hesitation will be treated as a free hit.

[Woody]

Electors have the constitutional right to choose whoever they want, so there is nothing wrong with this.

So if Trump initially won, and then faithless electors swung the election to Biden you would be okay with that?

Maybe if the Democrats had the upper-hand I probably wouldn't have even made this comment. Luckily Republicans control the legislatures to appoint electors in the states that matter, so that won't be an issue, a nice counter-balance.

[Jay 🏳️‍⚧️]

Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Texas and Arizona all have Republican-controlled legislatures.

However, of those, only Georgia, Florida, Texas and Arizona have Republican governors. If there are disputed electoral slates - if the Governor sends one slate and the legislature (or other government body, such as AZ's Democratic Secretary of State) sends a different slate, the Governor's slate is legally the valid one, unless both houses of Congress agree to a different valid slate. That could give us map like this:

This particular tactic alone will not serve to put Demagogue Don back into the White House. However, in conjunction with his other already-revealed tactics, it is be part of a Republican attempt to overthrow the election results with the color of legitimacy.

But if Biden legitimately loses Pennsylvania, but legitimately wins Arizona and Florida (usurped by Trump's faithless electors) - then Trump's plan would work, right? So Biden would need to win Pennsylvania in this scenario.

If the Republicans actually try this, then the Dems should retaliate with Roy Cooper (D-NC) and Tom Wolf (D-PA) certifying Democratic electors even if Trump legitimately won their states.

Is it certain that Congress will accept the governor's slate of electors? Or would Congress throw out all electors from disputed states, resulting surely in neither Biden nor Trump having 270 electoral votes and a total mess?

It's probable that the Democrats in the House would vote to throw out the illegitimate Republican slates, and Republicans in the Senate would vote to throw out the illegitimate Democratic slates, ultimately resulting in nothing getting thrown out since you need a majority in both houses to vote to reject a state's electoral slate

[dunceDude]

This is not likely. But I am ready to be in the streets for weeks if it does. You should commit to yourself that you will be as well.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Biden needs to win AZ, it will eleviate this problem, it will be 291-47, instead of 278 and polls have showed, he is in good position to win this map.

[GeneralMacArthur]

If it comes down to this, Democrats will do the exact same thing.

I'm sure then we'll have a lot of blue avatars on here telling us "this is the most democratic way to have the election anyway because the people already elected these governors and state legislatures to represent them."

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

The Ds are representative of Unions, they don't want Citizens United and Amy Coney Barrett is a threat to that, but we all know, that politicians are hypocrits, all the Dems have voted to confirm all of Trump's lower Crt nominees when there is not any stimulus packages passed

[Indy Texas]

Electors have the constitutional right to choose whoever they want, so there is nothing wrong with this.

As David Frum said, when conservatives can no longer get what they want through democratic means, they won't give up on conservatism. They will give up on democracy.

[Illini Moderate]

Electors have the constitutional right to choose whoever they want, so there is nothing wrong with this.

I'm sure you wouldn't be saying that if it were Biden... Also, just because you have the constitutional right to do something doesn't make it morally correct. Overturning the will of voters is wrong, and antidemocratic, plain and simple.

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

Electors have the constitutional right to choose whoever they want, so there is nothing wrong with this.

I'm sure you wouldn't be saying that if it were Biden...

He's openly admitted as much.

Honestly, it's on Democratic-leaning folks who are still surprised by this sort of behaviour from elected Republicans and the Trumpist partisans.

[Shaula🏳️‍⚧️]

lol all the red avatars are speaking in favor of faithless electors. Only a couple months ago they were all against them in fear that they could stop a Biden victory.

[Splash]

Electors have the constitutional right to choose whoever they want, so there is nothing wrong with this.

As David Frum said, when conservatives can no longer get what they want through democratic means, they won't give up on conservatism. They will give up on democracy.

I swear. But at least he admitted, when pressed, that he only said what he said because it benefits his side.

What I don't get is why people like that feel the need to make up such vapid arguments when they could just as easily say that they only care about their side winning, no matter the costs. It'd save us all a whole lot of time...

[politics_king]

This is insanity.