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« Reply #375 on: September 26, 2020, 02:36:02 PM »

Both the "flight" and the "fight" to replace RBG is OVER!

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SAM722/history/20200926/1722Z/KSBN

"SAM" - Special Air Mission!

It's not over 'til a commission is signed.
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« Reply #376 on: September 26, 2020, 02:48:05 PM »

The Democrats need to be pulling out every stop in the book to oppose this. No unanimous consent, no approval of other judges, no COVID-19 package, if the confirmation is rammed through.

You had me until "no COVID-19 package". People are losing their homes and livelihoods, Beet.

And people will lose the same if the right wing takes SCOTUS.

If Democrats delay COVID packages over SCOTUS, that will be remembered and Democrats are still held to different standards by the media and voting populace.

Yeah, blocking a Covid package would heavily backfire on Democrats. I'd like them to stall everything else as much as possible, but not when it comes to people risking to lose their homes. Joe Biden winning and Democrats taking the senate is more important than everything else now, even the Supreme Court. Because if Trump wins due to Democrats blowing it in the final weeks, you can be happy if Breyer makes it through 2024. In a worst case scenario, he gets replaced by another Trump appointee and Thomas retires in time, so that Trump has put five justices on the bench who are all under 55 years of age.
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« Reply #377 on: September 26, 2020, 03:03:16 PM »

This will be her legacy, she was a great jurist, but her mentor Thurgood Marshall called it quits when his health was at stake, and she knew her own body and during Obama administration, she should have retired

If Thurgood had stayed on till his death, he would have been replaced by a Democratic president.
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« Reply #378 on: September 26, 2020, 03:07:31 PM »

This will be her legacy, she was a great jurist, but her mentor Thurgood Marshall called it quits when his health was at stake, and she knew her own body and during Obama administration, she should have retired

If Thurgood had stayed on till his death, he would have been replaced by a Democratic president.

Assuming he died at the same time and Clinton still won.
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« Reply #379 on: September 26, 2020, 03:35:47 PM »

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« Reply #380 on: September 26, 2020, 03:57:32 PM »

This will be her legacy, she was a great jurist, but her mentor Thurgood Marshall called it quits when his health was at stake, and she knew her own body and during Obama administration, she should have retired

If Thurgood had stayed on till his death, he would have been replaced by a Democratic president.

After Thurgood Marshalls death Re:

Joe Biden as chairman of Judiciary Cmittee guaranteed a Clarence Thomas vote on the floor, by approving his nomination in a Demo lead committee, that is why he apologized to Anita Hill; nevertheless, if he voted at the end to deny his nomination
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« Reply #381 on: September 26, 2020, 04:04:46 PM »

Amy Coney Barrett being nominated as we speak, bye amnesty, Roe and ACA and gun rights and Citizens United enshrined in Constitution
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« Reply #382 on: September 26, 2020, 04:05:19 PM »

Democrats can't use literally every tool in the book. They have a presidential election and trifecta to win, if they alienate voters they put that at risk, the Court will be even more out of grasp and the policy consequences will be truly horrific. Republicans will do whatever it takes to confirm the nominee and they have the votes, so they can just put a stop to procedural tricks pretty quickly anyway (and they have until January 3 to confirm the nominee, not November 4. It's just too much time.) Democrats should try their best, but radical options like a random impeachment or shutting down the government are much too risky and won't work. Maybe if the nominee isn't confirmed after the election, they can try more radical tricks, but even then it's almost certain to be done by January 3.
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« Reply #383 on: September 26, 2020, 04:08:13 PM »

Democrats can't use literally every tool in the book. They have a presidential election and trifecta to win, if they alienate voters they put that at risk, the Court will be even more out of grasp and the policy consequences will be truly horrific. Republicans will do whatever it takes to confirm the nominee and they have the votes, so they can just put a stop to procedural tricks pretty quickly anyway (and they have until January 3 to confirm the nominee, not November 4. It's just too much time.) Democrats should try their best, but radical options like a random impeachment or shutting down the government are much too risky and won't work. Maybe if the nominee isn't confirmed after the election, they can try more radical tricks, but even then it's almost certain to be done by January 3.

The D's, confirmed most of Trump's lower Crt nominees recently, Trump is emboldened to make this choice
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« Reply #384 on: September 26, 2020, 04:09:49 PM »

It's official.
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« Reply #385 on: September 26, 2020, 04:11:22 PM »

This is an historic moment. If confirmed, Barrett will be the only SCOTUS judge without a degree from Harvard/Yale
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« Reply #386 on: September 26, 2020, 04:12:19 PM »

This is an historic moment. If confirmed, Barrett will be the only SCOTUS judge without a degree from Harvard/Yale

Hey Trump is following a SCOTUS judges wish Tongue. Scalia's to be specific Tongue
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« Reply #387 on: September 26, 2020, 04:15:01 PM »

The Democrats need to be pulling out every stop in the book to oppose this. No unanimous consent, no approval of other judges, no COVID-19 package, if the confirmation is rammed through.

You had me until "no COVID-19 package". People are losing their homes and livelihoods, Beet.

And people will lose the same if the right wing takes SCOTUS.

If Democrats delay COVID packages over SCOTUS, that will be remembered and Democrats are still held to different standards by the media and voting populace.

Yeah, blocking a Covid package would heavily backfire on Democrats. I'd like them to stall everything else as much as possible, but not when it comes to people risking to lose their homes. Joe Biden winning and Democrats taking the senate is more important than everything else now, even the Supreme Court. Because if Trump wins due to Democrats blowing it in the final weeks, you can be happy if Breyer makes it through 2024. In a worst case scenario, he gets replaced by another Trump appointee and Thomas retires in time, so that Trump has put five justices on the bench who are all under 55 years of age.

Democrats need to fight with everything they've got. If they lose this one, the stakes of the election get a lot lower. If appealing to the center is so important they should offer to pass some Republican bills in exchange for a different nominee.
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« Reply #388 on: September 26, 2020, 04:15:38 PM »

Democrats can't use literally every tool in the book. They have a presidential election and trifecta to win, if they alienate voters they put that at risk, the Court will be even more out of grasp and the policy consequences will be truly horrific. Republicans will do whatever it takes to confirm the nominee and they have the votes, so they can just put a stop to procedural tricks pretty quickly anyway (and they have until January 3 to confirm the nominee, not November 4. It's just too much time.) Democrats should try their best, but radical options like a random impeachment or shutting down the government are much too risky and won't work. Maybe if the nominee isn't confirmed after the election, they can try more radical tricks, but even then it's almost certain to be done by January 3.

The D's, confirmed most of Trump's lower Crt nominees recently, Trump is emboldened to make this choice

Recent confirmation votes were bipartisan because McConnell had finally stopped focusing on gop state nominees and gave Dems votes on the nominees they wanted and gave positive blue slips to.

Holding over this scotus vacancy for Biden would have been a continuation of the good practice we've seen this fall. But alas, the GOP can never stop its power grab for all that long.
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« Reply #389 on: September 26, 2020, 04:22:28 PM »

I see my job here is done.
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« Reply #390 on: September 26, 2020, 04:26:50 PM »

If Democrats aren't preparing for what they might do if they win the Presidency and Senate after this, they aren't willing to fight for anything. This pick changes so much on the Court. I do not like the idea of expanding the Supreme Court at all, but there will be nothing left to lose if this nominee is confirmed. It's unfortunate and sad how someone can rise because of and from the legacy of Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg only to trample upon her legacy at the highest levels.
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« Reply #391 on: September 26, 2020, 04:28:57 PM »

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« Reply #392 on: September 26, 2020, 04:30:59 PM »



He's a smart guy and knows what he's doing.
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« Reply #393 on: September 26, 2020, 04:31:56 PM »

We knew that RBG death was imminent and her family doesn't appear on TV to say how she died, but she should of retired before 2016, she had Pancreatic cancer and like colon cancer, it affects the way you sit for long periods of time. She knew she couldn't last as a judge, sitting a long time
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« Reply #394 on: September 26, 2020, 04:36:08 PM »

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« Reply #395 on: September 26, 2020, 04:42:32 PM »



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« Reply #396 on: September 26, 2020, 04:42:59 PM »

Seems like the Dems have settled on their argument. This is the right frame that they should use to attack the nomination, imho.


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« Reply #397 on: September 26, 2020, 04:49:08 PM »

The Democrats need to be pulling out every stop in the book to oppose this. No unanimous consent, no approval of other judges, no COVID-19 package, if the confirmation is rammed through.

You had me until "no COVID-19 package". People are losing their homes and livelihoods, Beet.

And people will lose the same if the right wing takes SCOTUS.

If Democrats delay COVID packages over SCOTUS, that will be remembered and Democrats are still held to different standards by the media and voting populace.

Yeah, blocking a Covid package would heavily backfire on Democrats. I'd like them to stall everything else as much as possible, but not when it comes to people risking to lose their homes. Joe Biden winning and Democrats taking the senate is more important than everything else now, even the Supreme Court. Because if Trump wins due to Democrats blowing it in the final weeks, you can be happy if Breyer makes it through 2024. In a worst case scenario, he gets replaced by another Trump appointee and Thomas retires in time, so that Trump has put five justices on the bench who are all under 55 years of age.

Democrats need to fight with everything they've got. If they lose this one, the stakes of the election get a lot lower. If appealing to the center is so important they should offer to pass some Republican bills in exchange for a different nominee.

The stakes don't get lower even if she's confirmed. Remember those times the supreme court blocked Trump's power grabs on the census and other issues? Imagine another four years of Trump with a court that refuses to put any check on his power at all. With a Biden presidency, at least the concern is about what policies that might get sruck down but not about how far our democracy can suffer in the hands of a power hungry executive with nothing to stop it apart from the House.
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« Reply #398 on: September 26, 2020, 04:50:20 PM »

Yeah, downplaying hot button issues like Roe (NARAL and PP are already organized for that anyway) and not touching ACB's faith group is the way to go. Healthcare is what won Democrats the last election and that is what will be put front-and-center.

Good on Democrats being smart for once!
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« Reply #399 on: September 26, 2020, 05:02:10 PM »

This is why appointing Barrett makes no sense for Republicans electorally. Her comments on the ACA give Democrats an exceptionally easy time in opposing her nomination and turning it into a liability for Trump and Senate Republicans.
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