Do you support California giving checks to illegals?

[lfromnj]

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/493027-california-offering-500-in-coronavirus-relief-to-undocumented-immigrants

Pretty simple question.

[7,052,770]

Sure, we don't want them getting desperate and turning to crime, or to other activities that will cost the state more later. I think the real question is whether $500 is enough.

[PSOL]

A good chunk of those undocumented immigrants are the people that grow our food, so yes, yes I do. They should be getting $1,200 though.

Look, the fundamental reality is that these people pay federal and state taxes and account for an unignorable % of total consumers in the state, it would be suicidal to California’s economy to say only #reel Murrikkkans should get pandemic money.

[Coastal Elitist]

No we should take care of our actual citizens first.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Of course not

[Intell]

Unless theyre families they should go back to their home country.

[dead0man]

if they were working before, sure, why not.  Giving people that were not working money is way stupider.

[Esteemed Jimmy]

Not really.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Pretty simple question.

Yes, but, as worded, a leading one.

[PSOL]

Unless theyre families they should go back to their home country.

Not really.

You do understand that if these people die or return to their home countries, entire communities would fall apart into disarray and destitution. These people, and the economic revitalization that they do, are the only thing holding up most of our construction, sanitation, and agricultural work in the United States. Leaving them to die from being unable to afford food or kicking them out to their home countries in a middle of a pandemic is not just cruel, but incredibly dense thinking.

[TJ in Oregon]

Yes, you basically have to in a lockdown. If the government isn't letting them work and makes it impossible to travel, they are owed payment to survive.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

A good chunk of those undocumented immigrants are the people that grow our food, so yes, yes I do. They should be getting $1,200 though.

Look, the fundamental reality is that these people pay federal and state taxes and account for an unignorable % of total consumers in the state, it would be suicidal to California’s economy to say only #reel Murrikkkans should get pandemic money.

this guy gets it.

[Former President tack50]

Illegal immigrants, like the name implies, should not be in California or anywhere else in the US in the first place anyways, let alone receiving checks.

Of course, the real problem is not the illegal immigrants themselves but the fact that the US has illegal immigrants that have stayed in the country for years or even decades in the first place; and in some cases even have kids who are US citizens.

[lfromnj]

Sure, we don't want them getting desperate and turning to crime, or to other activities that will cost the state more later. I think the real question is whether $500 is enough.

So bribing people not to commit crime?

[lfromnj]

A good chunk of those undocumented immigrants are the people that grow our food, so yes, yes I do. They should be getting $1,200 though.

Look, the fundamental reality is that these people pay federal and state taxes and account for an unignorable % of total consumers in the state, it would be suicidal to California’s economy to say only #reel Murrikkkans should get pandemic money.

The people who grow our food are anyway "essential" workers by the defintion and are still getting paid  around the same wages.

[RI]

If adult students and adult dependents don't qualify for checks (not to mention citizens above the income threshold), illegal immigrants certainly shouldn't qualify either.

More generally, I'm not a fan of the government giving cash incentives for illegal behavior and thus encouraging it.

[Continential]

If adult students and adult dependents don't qualify for checks (not to mention citizens above the income threshold), illegal immigrants certainly shouldn't qualify either.

More generally, I'm not a fan of the government giving cash incentives for illegal behavior and thus encouraging it.

You do realize that illegals are doing the work that no american citizen would ever want to do, the hard breaking work that nobody else wants to do, and where else they should go, back to Central America, where they will get killed by gang violence or their children will join the gangs. You want families seeking a better life to get killed in Central America, but they could be doing work in America, and contributing to the American economy.

 

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Approximately 150,000 undocumented adult Californians will receive a one-time cash benefit of $500 with a cap of $1,000 per household.

isn't that only a small fraction of that population?  I wonder what the criteria is here.

[RI]

If adult students and adult dependents don't qualify for checks (not to mention citizens above the income threshold), illegal immigrants certainly shouldn't qualify either.

More generally, I'm not a fan of the government giving cash incentives for illegal behavior and thus encouraging it.

You do realize that illegals are doing the work that no american citizen would ever want to do, the hard breaking work that nobody else wants to do, and where else they should go, back to Central America, where they will get killed by gang violence or their children will join the gangs. You want families seeking a better life to get killed in Central America, but they could be doing work in America, and contributing to the American economy.

"Work that no American citizen would ever want to do" is a tired and ridiculous argument. American workers willingly do far more onerous and back-breaking work than picking fruit or cleaning houses. The only reason Americans aren't willing to do those jobs is because equilibrium wages have been driven below the minimum wage and into an exploitative black market by excess labor supply propped up by officials who refuse to enforce their own laws for political reasons and by the firms we're refusing to regulate and hold to account. The complete answer would be to remove the illegal workforce, enforce employment and immigration laws, repeal the minimum wage and let a market equilibrium be restored, and then prop up take-home incomes for workers with an aggressive negative income tax if labor supply is viewed as insufficient.

The rest of your argument is equally ridiculous and hyperbolic. Living in Central America is not a death sentence.

[lfromnj]

If adult students and adult dependents don't qualify for checks (not to mention citizens above the income threshold), illegal immigrants certainly shouldn't qualify either.

More generally, I'm not a fan of the government giving cash incentives for illegal behavior and thus encouraging it.

You do realize that illegals are doing the work that no american citizen would ever want to do, the hard breaking work that nobody else wants to do, and where else they should go, back to Central America, where they will get killed by gang violence or their children will join the gangs. You want families seeking a better life to get killed in Central America, but they could be doing work in America, and contributing to the American economy.

"Work that no American citizen would ever want to do" is a tired and ridiculous argument. American workers willingly do far more onerous and back-breaking work than picking fruit or cleaning houses. The only reason Americans aren't willing to do those jobs is because equilibrium wages have been driven below the minimum wage and into an exploitative black market by excess labor supply propped up by officials who refuse to enforce their own laws for political reasons and by the firms we're refusing to regulate and hold to account. The complete answer would be to remove the illegal workforce, enforce employment and immigration laws, repeal the minimum wage and let a market equilibrium be restored, and then prop up take-home incomes for workers with an aggressive negative income tax if labor supply is viewed as insufficient.

The rest of your argument is equally ridiculous and hyperbolic. Living in Central America is not a death sentence.

Wait why would you need a NIT if the labor supply is insufficient? If you were gonna place one wouldn't it be in the opposite scenario? Just asking honestly here. Wouldn't an NIT during a period of low labour supply just distort the market even more by discouraging work?

[GM Team Member and Deputy PPT WB]

Yes. Everyone is hurting from this, and $500 is he least we can do. We can have arguments over their status and immigration rules later. We’re in a crisis right now and we need to make sure that we help as many people living here as possible.

[It’s so Joever]

Yes, simply because it would cause more crime and breakings of stay-at-home orders if we didn’t. That being said, in general I am opposed to illegal immigration and do think we need stronger border security, but we are in a war right now and need to do what is best to beat the enemy quickly.

[Tender Branson]

Nope. American citizens FIRST.

If illegals (who shouldn't even be there in the first place) cannot financially support themselves, they should go back to where they came from - rather than being a burden on the US taxpayer. No dime for these people.

[America Needs R'hllor]

Illegal immigrants, like the name implies, should not be in California or anywhere else in the US in the first place anyways, let alone receiving checks.

Of course, the real problem is not the illegal immigrants themselves but the fact that the US has illegal immigrants that have stayed in the country for years or even decades in the first place; and in some cases even have kids who are US citizens.

But that's a reason to introduce a path to citizenship and maybe ease up immigration laws, not to let people starve

[President Johnson]

No, I do not support that.

However, I have compassion for people struggling these days. As of now, I'd give them food stamps though so that nobody gets starved. The broader solution here is not in Sacramento, it's in DC. The US needs comprehensive immigration reform that has a pathway to citizenship for Dreamers and those who are employed and have not committed a violent crime. Those who have or don't have a regular job need to be deported. Immigration reform also needs a simplified system that allows anyone to apply for legal status and then get in, who wants to come and contribute. At the same time, there need to be investments in smart border security to prevent illegal immigration. There just shouldn't be such a thing as an illegal immigrant. Only legal immigrants, who enjoy civil liberties and who should get a check if they struggle in this pandemic.