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« Reply #825 on: February 11, 2020, 08:38:03 PM »

Nashua ward 3 results on CNN

Bernie wins with 590 votes, didn't get the others before they cut away from it, but it was a clear Bernie lead, 2nd place had like 400.

So similar to Manchester.

How is that even happening? Bernie is doing so poorly among the poorer white working class that was critical to him in 2016 but doing quite well among the super-progressive wealthier electorate. It's bizarre. Iowa was like that, too. Maybe he's just leaning really heavily into the youth vote, but the dynamics are so different this year. His base is far more Warren-esque than we thought, and far less Biden-y.

For one thing, Nashua has the most Hispanics of basically anywhere in NH. Which is not much of course, but helps to pad his margins a bit.
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« Reply #826 on: February 11, 2020, 08:38:06 PM »

Wow--- new vote dump from Nashua and Bernie leads Pete by 4%...
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« Reply #827 on: February 11, 2020, 08:38:31 PM »

After 5 decades in politics....Biden STILL hasn't wont a primary/caucus

Sad stuff folks
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« Reply #828 on: February 11, 2020, 08:38:54 PM »

Bernie has totally lost the coalition of voters that supposedly made him strong against Trump, working class/rural whites.  This campaign is turning into Hillary 2016 but with less enthusiasm and infrastructure among the establishment.  Disaster.
Its indeed looking like the Corbyn coalition. I still think Bernie received lot of anti-Clinton vote in 2016, as Clinton did in 2008 where she got the anti-Obama vote which was also mainly rural. And these voters now abondon them.

Yes, it seems like rural areas are just anti-Democratic frontrunner rather than pro- whatever candidate they are voting for. Anyone pretending like Buttigieg would do noticeably better in rural areas than any other Democrat in a general election based on primary voting patterns is kidding themselves
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« Reply #829 on: February 11, 2020, 08:39:22 PM »

Bennet is dropping out - CNN

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« Reply #830 on: February 11, 2020, 08:39:56 PM »



Remember that Warren endorsed Hillary Clinton despite being closer ideologically to Sanders. Does she now endorse another Liberal woman in Amy Klobuchar? What a big deal that would be if Warren does drop out.

People can't remember what didn't happen. She remained neutral during the primaries & only endorsed Hillary when she'd already won the nomination.
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« Reply #831 on: February 11, 2020, 08:39:56 PM »

All I remember about Bennet is that he sounded like the teacher in South Park who says "mmmkay"
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« Reply #832 on: February 11, 2020, 08:40:00 PM »


Dropout imminent? That's a pretty weird tweet from Warren.

It kinda sounded like a dropout speech to me, but apparently she's moving forward.
It would be HUGE if Warren endorsed Amy though. If that happened, she'd instantly become one of the favorites against Sanders.

It would definitely shake up the race and be really interesting if she did.

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« Reply #833 on: February 11, 2020, 08:40:04 PM »

After 5 decades in politics....Biden STILL hasn't wont a primary/caucus

Sad stuff folks

5 decades and 3 presidential runs in 3 different decades
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« Reply #834 on: February 11, 2020, 08:40:08 PM »

After 5 decades in politics....Biden STILL hasn't wont a primary/caucus

Sad stuff folks

He and Warren aren't even winning a town yet even though Bloomberg managed to win one.
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« Reply #835 on: February 11, 2020, 08:40:14 PM »

Buttigieg seems to have separated enough from Klobuchar that the Top 3 candidates probably won't change. You never know for sure, but Buttigieg really ran it up on Klobuchar in the last 10'ish percent.
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« Reply #836 on: February 11, 2020, 08:40:18 PM »

Nashua ward 3 results on CNN

Bernie wins with 590 votes, didn't get the others before they cut away from it, but it was a clear Bernie lead, 2nd place had like 400.

So similar to Manchester.

How is that even happening? Bernie is doing so poorly among the poorer white working class that was critical to him in 2016 but doing quite well among the super-progressive wealthier electorate. It's bizarre. Iowa was like that, too. Maybe he's just leaning really heavily into the youth vote, but the dynamics are so different this year. His base is far more Warren-esque than we thought, and far less Biden-y.

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« Reply #837 on: February 11, 2020, 08:40:35 PM »

Michael Bennet officially out.
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« Reply #838 on: February 11, 2020, 08:41:09 PM »


Dropout imminent? That's a pretty weird tweet from Warren.

It kinda sounded like a dropout speech to me, but apparently she's moving forward.
It would be HUGE if Warren endorsed Amy though. If that happened, she'd instantly become one of the favorites against Sanders.

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« Reply #839 on: February 11, 2020, 08:41:48 PM »

Why does the NYT's forecast needle keep dropping for Sanders when his lead is holding?

It just fell to a 58% chance of winning the state. It was at 70%.

What gives?
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« Reply #840 on: February 11, 2020, 08:41:56 PM »

After 5 decades in politics....Biden STILL hasn't wont a primary/caucus

Sad stuff folks

He really is terrible at this, isn't he?

How much of an advantage does he need to start with to win something?
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« Reply #841 on: February 11, 2020, 08:42:07 PM »

Nashua ward 3 results on CNN

Bernie wins with 590 votes, didn't get the others before they cut away from it, but it was a clear Bernie lead, 2nd place had like 400.

So similar to Manchester.

How is that even happening? Bernie is doing so poorly among the poorer white working class that was critical to him in 2016 but doing quite well among the super-progressive wealthier electorate. It's bizarre. Iowa was like that, too. Maybe he's just leaning really heavily into the youth vote, but the dynamics are so different this year. His base is far more Warren-esque than we thought, and far less Biden-y.

For one thing, Nashua has the most Hispanics of basically anywhere in NH. Which is not much of course, but helps to pad his margins a bit.

Totally slipped under my radar... Puerto Ricans strike again!

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« Reply #842 on: February 11, 2020, 08:42:14 PM »

I'll tell you one thing guys: its going to be a really fun month or two if you're a neutral. This has the potential to be one of the strangest primaries we've seen in forever.
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« Reply #843 on: February 11, 2020, 08:42:20 PM »

Bernie has totally lost the coalition of voters that supposedly made him strong against Trump, working class/rural whites.  This campaign is turning into Hillary 2016 but with less enthusiasm and infrastructure among the establishment.  Disaster.
Its indeed looking like the Corbyn coalition. I still think received lot of anti-Clinton vote in 2016, as Clinton did in 2008 where she got the anti-Obama vote which was also mainly rural

Yeah, I never liked the Corbyn comparison, especially since Americans and Democrats don't have the albatross of Brexit around their necks, but it certainly does feel a lot like Corbyn. You simply cannot win when you alienate working class whites AND suburban women. Warren would at least nail down one of those groups.

On the other hand, if Bernie's Hispanic support is really as strong as it may very well be, that's something, too. It would be amazing if Bernie ended up being more competitive in Texas and Arizona than Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.
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« Reply #844 on: February 11, 2020, 08:42:34 PM »

Why does the NYT's forecast monitor keep dropping for Sanders when his lead is holding?

It just fell to a 58% chance of winning the state. It was at 70%.

What gives?

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« Reply #845 on: February 11, 2020, 08:42:41 PM »

What are the odds the Culinary Union endorses Klobuchar days before the Nevada Caucus now?
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« Reply #846 on: February 11, 2020, 08:42:54 PM »

Kamala Harris currently has 14 votes in NH. I still believe she would be the best nominee and president our party could offer up this year, and I hope someday I can say President Harris.
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« Reply #847 on: February 11, 2020, 08:43:04 PM »

I'll tell you one thing guys: its going to be a really fun month or two if you're a neutral. This has the potential to be one of the strangest primaries we've seen in forever.

I'm lovin' it!
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« Reply #848 on: February 11, 2020, 08:43:17 PM »

Just tuning in. With Warren and Biden tanking I think it's safe to declare Sanders the solid frontrunner at this point, no matter what his margin of victory is tonight.

Biden is done.

Warren is done.

The "moderate" vote is going to be so split going forward now, I think the path easily gets cleared for Sanders.
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« Reply #849 on: February 11, 2020, 08:43:35 PM »

What are the odds the Culinary Union endorses Klobuchar days before the Nevada Caucus now?

I could definitely see that happening, since Biden seems kaput.
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