Impeachment Megathread Part 3

[2016]

Doug Jones will vote to convict.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1225086688667557888?s=20

Thanks Doug for giving us your Senate Seat on a Silver Plate

2020 Senate Elections: R+1 thus far

[soundchaser]

Doug Jones will vote to convict.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1225086688667557888?s=20

Good. Glad he's following his conscience like he did with the Kavanaugh vote. Hopefully this means Manchin and Sinema will do the same.

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

Doug Jones will vote to convict.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1225086688667557888?s=20

Good. Glad he's following his conscience like he did with the Kavanaugh vote. Hopefully this means Manchin and Sinema will do the same.

Manchin is still a toss-up.  But (and I will probably end up eating my words later), I can't see a scenario where Jones believes that there's enough evidence to vote YES on conviction for both articles and Sinema does not. 

[The Dowager Mod]

Doug Jones will vote to convict.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1225086688667557888?s=20

My respect for him just went up a lot.

[BlueSwan]

Doug Jones is a FF.

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

https://mobile.twitter.com/costareports/status/1225099524521242627?s=20

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Like these votes really matter, and you need 67 not 51 to convict, just like voting in Clinton trial, 50 split didnt matter either, with no live witnesses 😩😩😩

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://mobile.twitter.com/costareports/status/1225099524521242627?s=20

Good for him!

[OSR stands with Israel]

https://mobile.twitter.com/frankthorp/status/1225080178998681600?s=20

Announce a third party run Mitt

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

https://mobile.twitter.com/frankthorp/status/1225080178998681600?s=20

Announce a third party run Mitt

You're really going for the ending that no one ever gets in this choose-your-own-adventure book, aren't you?

[OSR stands with Israel]

https://mobile.twitter.com/frankthorp/status/1225080178998681600?s=20

Announce a third party run Mitt

You're really going for the ending that no one ever gets in this choose-your-own-adventure book, aren't you?

It really doesn’t matter at this point which way he votes at all because it’s not gonna change a thing.

What will change a thing is if he announces a third party run for president of the United States as that will have huge effects in 2020 and then force the GOP to appeal to those Romney voters the same way they had to appeal to Perot Voters if they ever are gonna unite the party and win an election again

[Calthrina950]

Exactly as I predicted. Jones knows that he is DOA, and he would not win reelection even if he voted to acquit Trump, in part because of the reasons that I laid out previously. With this move, he has earned himself a strong following among the national Democratic Party, and will almost certainly be considered by a future Democratic Administration for a cabinet post as a reward.

[pppolitics]

Doug Jones is a FF.

You mean Attoney General Doug Jones

[2016]

Do we know how Arizona Senator Kyrsten Sinema will vote on this?

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

Do we know how Arizona Senator Kyrsten Sinema will vote on this?

Not yet.  It's hard to see a scenario where Jones votes to convict and Sinema votes to acquit, so I'd say that the GOP's precious bipartisan vote will likely come from Manchin.  But it wouldn't completely shock me if Sinema votes to acquit as well.  

[Crumpets]

Do we know how Arizona Senator Kyrsten Sinema will vote on this?

She's not up until 2024 and won her seat in an anti-Trump wave. I'd be astounded if she voted to acquit.

[pppolitics]

Do we know how Arizona Senator Kyrsten Sinema will vote on this?

She's not up until 2024 and won her seat in an anti-Trump wave. I'd be astounded if she voted to acquit.

By the time she's up again in 2024, she would likely be running in a Lean D state.

She might as well beef up her credentials by voting to remove trump.

[GP270watch]

 Kyrsten Sinema seems to want to cultivate this image of "maverick" independent in the tradition of previous Arizona senators. I hope this is all for show.

[7,052,770]

Doug Jones will vote to convict.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1225086688667557888?s=20

What a hero. Imagine a world where all 100 senators will willing to place country above party and above self.

[Calthrina950]

Any final vote predictions?

I'll say 56-44 to acquit (all Republicans plus Manchin, Jones, and Sinema).

Thus, I'm expecting him to vote his conscience, and to vote to convict.

The weasel doesn’t have a conscience.

I would disagree. Jones is an establishment liberal Democrat, and has never made any attempt to hide that. Voting for conviction is exactly what one would expect such a Democrat to do.

One who doesn't have a true conscience, however, is Mitt Romney. I expect him to vote for acquittal tomorrow, just like how Jeff Flake ultimately voted for Kavanaugh. Romney has shifted his positions constantly over the years, and he's not adverse to doing it again. If he votes to convict Trump-which is very unlikely, in my view-then his political career will be over.

Romney's angle is clear: He's pro-establishment and anti-Trump. Trump changed the Republican Party, and Romney wants to keep the old guard in place. Romney doesn't like that the GOP is changing. Romney is attempting to disrupt Trump at every turn, but like you said, if it turns out that something isn't going to pass, he's not going to die on the hill most likely. Romney is going to act like he was always against the impeachment/removal, when if he was the deciding vote, he'd vote to remove Trump from office tomorrow. Romney picks his moments.

Don't forget that Romney tried to obtain the Secretaryship of State from Trump, and that he was effectively blindsided when Trump chose Rex Tillerson instead. The fact that Romney was cozying up to Trump for a time is indicative of the way in which he shifts his views for his own convenience. And you are right that Romney is pro-establishment, but the problem is that the establishment is now firmly in Trump's corner, as exemplified by McConnell, McCarthy, Scalise, Barrasso, Graham, etc. Trump has given McConnell what he wanted with judges and tax cuts, and McConnell is firmly on the Trump Train.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Any final vote predictions?

I'll say 56-44 to acquit (all Republicans plus Manchin, Jones, and Sinema).

Thus, I'm expecting him to vote his conscience, and to vote to convict.

The weasel doesn’t have a conscience.

I would disagree. Jones is an establishment liberal Democrat, and has never made any attempt to hide that. Voting for conviction is exactly what one would expect such a Democrat to do.

One who doesn't have a true conscience, however, is Mitt Romney. I expect him to vote for acquittal tomorrow, just like how Jeff Flake ultimately voted for Kavanaugh. Romney has shifted his positions constantly over the years, and he's not adverse to doing it again. If he votes to convict Trump-which is very unlikely, in my view-then his political career will be over.

Romney's angle is clear: He's pro-establishment and anti-Trump. Trump changed the Republican Party, and Romney wants to keep the old guard in place. Romney doesn't like that the GOP is changing. Romney is attempting to disrupt Trump at every turn, but like you said, if it turns out that something isn't going to pass, he's not going to die on the hill most likely. Romney is going to act like he was always against the impeachment/removal, when if he was the deciding vote, he'd vote to remove Trump from office tomorrow. Romney picks his moments.

Don't forget that Romney tried to obtain the Secretaryship of State from Trump, and that he was effectively blindsided when Trump chose Rex Tillerson instead. The fact that Romney was cozying up to Trump for a time is indicative of the way in which he shifts his views for his own convenience. And you are right that Romney is pro-establishment, but the problem is that the establishment is now firmly in Trump's corner, as exemplified by McConnell, McCarthy, Scalise, Barrasso, Graham, etc. Trump has given McConnell what he wanted with judges and tax cuts, and McConnell is firmly on the Trump Train.

I disagree with the Kavanugh argument as the case for convicting Trump on Abuse of Power is much stronger than it was for rejecting Kavanugh based on the allegations(The Kavanugh one was more similar to Article II in which Trump should be acquitted on)

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

Any final vote predictions?

I'll say 56-44 to acquit (all Republicans plus Manchin, Jones, and Sinema).

Thus, I'm expecting him to vote his conscience, and to vote to convict.

The weasel doesn’t have a conscience.

I would disagree. Jones is an establishment liberal Democrat, and has never made any attempt to hide that. Voting for conviction is exactly what one would expect such a Democrat to do.

One who doesn't have a true conscience, however, is Mitt Romney. I expect him to vote for acquittal tomorrow, just like how Jeff Flake ultimately voted for Kavanaugh. Romney has shifted his positions constantly over the years, and he's not adverse to doing it again. If he votes to convict Trump-which is very unlikely, in my view-then his political career will be over.

Romney's angle is clear: He's pro-establishment and anti-Trump. Trump changed the Republican Party, and Romney wants to keep the old guard in place. Romney doesn't like that the GOP is changing. Romney is attempting to disrupt Trump at every turn, but like you said, if it turns out that something isn't going to pass, he's not going to die on the hill most likely. Romney is going to act like he was always against the impeachment/removal, when if he was the deciding vote, he'd vote to remove Trump from office tomorrow. Romney picks his moments.

Don't forget that Romney tried to obtain the Secretaryship of State from Trump, and that he was effectively blindsided when Trump chose Rex Tillerson instead. The fact that Romney was cozying up to Trump for a time is indicative of the way in which he shifts his views for his own convenience. And you are right that Romney is pro-establishment, but the problem is that the establishment is now firmly in Trump's corner, as exemplified by McConnell, McCarthy, Scalise, Barrasso, Graham, etc. Trump has given McConnell what he wanted with judges and tax cuts, and McConnell is firmly on the Trump Train.

I like Mitt Romney.  I've always considered him a principled person and a gentleman.  But I firmly believe that we will only have one cross-party vote (and it's not going to be Romney).  

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

Any final vote predictions?

I'll say 56-44 to acquit (all Republicans plus Manchin, Jones, and Sinema).

Thus, I'm expecting him to vote his conscience, and to vote to convict.

The weasel doesn’t have a conscience.

I would disagree. Jones is an establishment liberal Democrat, and has never made any attempt to hide that. Voting for conviction is exactly what one would expect such a Democrat to do.

One who doesn't have a true conscience, however, is Mitt Romney. I expect him to vote for acquittal tomorrow, just like how Jeff Flake ultimately voted for Kavanaugh. Romney has shifted his positions constantly over the years, and he's not adverse to doing it again. If he votes to convict Trump-which is very unlikely, in my view-then his political career will be over.

Romney's angle is clear: He's pro-establishment and anti-Trump. Trump changed the Republican Party, and Romney wants to keep the old guard in place. Romney doesn't like that the GOP is changing. Romney is attempting to disrupt Trump at every turn, but like you said, if it turns out that something isn't going to pass, he's not going to die on the hill most likely. Romney is going to act like he was always against the impeachment/removal, when if he was the deciding vote, he'd vote to remove Trump from office tomorrow. Romney picks his moments.

Don't forget that Romney tried to obtain the Secretaryship of State from Trump, and that he was effectively blindsided when Trump chose Rex Tillerson instead. The fact that Romney was cozying up to Trump for a time is indicative of the way in which he shifts his views for his own convenience. And you are right that Romney is pro-establishment, but the problem is that the establishment is now firmly in Trump's corner, as exemplified by McConnell, McCarthy, Scalise, Barrasso, Graham, etc. Trump has given McConnell what he wanted with judges and tax cuts, and McConnell is firmly on the Trump Train.

I disagree with the Kavanugh argument as the case for convicting Trump on Abuse of Power is much stronger than it was for rejecting Kavanugh based on the allegations(The Kavanugh one was more similar to Article II in which Trump should be acquitted on)

OSR, I think it was you who said that you think I would likely vote to convict on Article I but acquit on Article II if I was a sitting senator.  You pretty much nailed it. 

[OSR stands with Israel]

Any final vote predictions?

I'll say 56-44 to acquit (all Republicans plus Manchin, Jones, and Sinema).

Thus, I'm expecting him to vote his conscience, and to vote to convict.

The weasel doesn’t have a conscience.

I would disagree. Jones is an establishment liberal Democrat, and has never made any attempt to hide that. Voting for conviction is exactly what one would expect such a Democrat to do.

One who doesn't have a true conscience, however, is Mitt Romney. I expect him to vote for acquittal tomorrow, just like how Jeff Flake ultimately voted for Kavanaugh. Romney has shifted his positions constantly over the years, and he's not adverse to doing it again. If he votes to convict Trump-which is very unlikely, in my view-then his political career will be over.

Romney's angle is clear: He's pro-establishment and anti-Trump. Trump changed the Republican Party, and Romney wants to keep the old guard in place. Romney doesn't like that the GOP is changing. Romney is attempting to disrupt Trump at every turn, but like you said, if it turns out that something isn't going to pass, he's not going to die on the hill most likely. Romney is going to act like he was always against the impeachment/removal, when if he was the deciding vote, he'd vote to remove Trump from office tomorrow. Romney picks his moments.

Don't forget that Romney tried to obtain the Secretaryship of State from Trump, and that he was effectively blindsided when Trump chose Rex Tillerson instead. The fact that Romney was cozying up to Trump for a time is indicative of the way in which he shifts his views for his own convenience. And you are right that Romney is pro-establishment, but the problem is that the establishment is now firmly in Trump's corner, as exemplified by McConnell, McCarthy, Scalise, Barrasso, Graham, etc. Trump has given McConnell what he wanted with judges and tax cuts, and McConnell is firmly on the Trump Train.

I disagree with the Kavanugh argument as the case for convicting Trump on Abuse of Power is much stronger than it was for rejecting Kavanugh based on the allegations(The Kavanugh one was more similar to Article II in which Trump should be acquitted on)

OSR, I think it was you who said that you think I would likely vote to convict on Article I but acquit on Article II if I was a sitting senator.  You pretty much nailed it. 

I just stayed my views lol and since we are similar politically, I guessed you would have a similar opinion too lol

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

Romney is up and speaking.  About fifteen seconds in, he stated that he was "religious" and had to pause to compose himself.