Elizabeth Warren 2020 Megathread v2 (pg 35 - Emily List support)

[Heebie Jeebie]

Prediction: Warren’s going to drop and choose not to endorse and the Bernie folks are going to go nuts

Eh, the way I see things, that'd be a blessing. She could well be on the Biden Train.

Maybe if it were someone else, but she and Biden go way back in their dislike of one another

Biden makes it a point of pride that he can work with people with whom he shares a mutual dislike.  And Warren is an institutionalist at heart, someone who can set aside personal grievances to seek progress.  They may not like each other, but I'm sure they can work together.

[redjohn]

Drop out, Liz. She gutted the progressive movement last night. She should be ashamed of how she's run her campaign since January.

[Heebie Jeebie]

Warren isn't trying to win the nomination anymore.  Her plan is to hope for a contested convention and to go into it with enough delegates to have leverage over policy and staffing in the next administration.  She's obviously not going to be the nominee, or even the veep pick, but if Biden (or Sanders) needs her votes to get past the line to a majority she could negotiate for Treasury (and maybe get her buddy Castro a job like AG as well).  Or she could hold out for assurances that the criminality of the Trump administration will be prosecuted and not swept under the rug.  Either way, she's doing what good politicians do:  get leverage and use it to get what you want.

You know whose administration she'd have far more leverage in if she got out of the race and stopped impeding his ability to win in states like MN, MA, TX, etc?

I'm not sure you know what leverage means.

I'm not sure SHE knows what leverage means in this scenario. Burning bridges with her closest ideological companion in national politics and then crashing and burning herself means she damaged her chance to pretty much control large swathes of President Sanders' policy agenda, either as VP or Secretary of the Treasury or Commerce or what have you.

Warren sees what all clear-sighted observers can see:  Sanders has no interest in or ability to practice coalition politics.  He's an ideologue who rejects compromise, a man who surrounds himself with toxic sycophants.  There's no reason to assume he'd do right by her, even if she did kiss his ass.

[CellarDoor]

I'm not sure I agree with the conventional wisdom that almost all of Warren supporters would support Sanders.  There is certainly some ill will between the two candidates, and I think that turned off many women Warren Supporters to Sanders.  I think Sanders would receive a majority of Warren's supporters, but I think that would be a smaller majority than the percentage of Bloomberg supporters who will now support Biden.  And Bloomberg appears to have a bigger base than Warren at this point.

[Vaccinated Russian Bear]

I'm not sure I agree with the conventional wisdom that almost all of Warren supporters would support Sanders.  There is certainly some ill will between the two candidates, and I think that turned off many women Warren Supporters to Sanders.  I think Sanders would receive a majority of Warren's supporters, but I think that would be a smaller majority than the percentage of Bloomberg supporters who will now support Biden.  And Bloomberg appears to have a bigger base than Warren at this point.

Perhaps. But if she full-heartedly endorsed Bernie  before ST...

[This user has not been convicted of 34 felonies]

Warren isn't trying to win the nomination anymore.  Her plan is to hope for a contested convention and to go into it with enough delegates to have leverage over policy and staffing in the next administration.  She's obviously not going to be the nominee, or even the veep pick, but if Biden (or Sanders) needs her votes to get past the line to a majority she could negotiate for Treasury (and maybe get her buddy Castro a job like AG as well).  Or she could hold out for assurances that the criminality of the Trump administration will be prosecuted and not swept under the rug.  Either way, she's doing what good politicians do:  get leverage and use it to get what you want.

You know whose administration she'd have far more leverage in if she got out of the race and stopped impeding his ability to win in states like MN, MA, TX, etc?

I'm not sure you know what leverage means.

I'm not sure SHE knows what leverage means in this scenario. Burning bridges with her closest ideological companion in national politics and then crashing and burning herself means she damaged her chance to pretty much control large swathes of President Sanders' policy agenda, either as VP or Secretary of the Treasury or Commerce or what have you.

Warren sees what all clear-sighted observers can see:  Sanders has no interest in or ability to practice coalition politics.  He's an ideologue who rejects compromise, a man who surrounds himself with toxic sycophants.  There's no reason to assume he'd do right by her, even if she did kiss his ass.

His campaign was literally looking into if she could legally serve as VP and Secretary of Treasury at the same time just a few months ago. How could you possibly say that he would end up screwing her over.

[KaiserDave]

I love ya Liz

But it’s time to stop

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

As I said in the Super Tuesday thread, I voted proudly for Elizabeth Warren yesterday.

After the obviously disappointing results, I hope she will now drop out.  And I do expect her to drop out.

The vitriol of Bernie's supporters toward her is inexcusable.  If you want to know why you don't feel welcome in the Democratic party, look at how you treated others who completely supported your agenda, but just declined to be absorbed into your cult of personality.

Elizabeth Warren didn't cost Bernie Sanders the nomination.  If anything, Sanders' supporters cost Warren the nomination, and killed their own chances of a real progressive policy revolution in the process.

[OBD]

Rumor has it Warren is considering a Biden endorsement (or endorsing neither). Big if true.

[Catholics vs. Convicts]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJtIa69zzj8

She may be under the same delusions... Its a pipe dream. Its embarrassing. . . . I'm grossed out. So that's how I feel about it.

Lol what disgusting and vicious "reporting" by this "journalist." If some of these Bernie supporters want to know why Warren doesn't want to give into the Sanders movement, they should look in the mirror.

[GP270watch]

 Warren was on record saying she'd support whoever won the nomination, including Bloomberg who we know she didn't like entering the race. So if she endorsed Biden after it was clear he was the nominee that would be obvious.

[Beet]

Rumor has it Warren is considering a Biden endorsement (or endorsing neither). Big if true.

I really hope she doesn't endorse anyone. Kamala Harris hasn't endorsed anyone. She has earned some time to just be left alone.

[Mr. Illini]

I think no endorsement is the most likely scenario if she drops out. She’s shown that she prefers to split the gap between the establishment and the Bernie wings. She didn’t endorse in 2016 and has kept her distance from him this time around. That said, I don’t think she likes Joe and she doesn’t want to ruin her progressive cred with a Biden endorsement.

I don’t think she’ll feel compelled to get behind any horse until the general.

[Velasco]

The best thing she can do is dropping out of the race and stay out of focus for a while, until there's a nominee. Then she could endorse the candidate for the general election. I don't believe it's in Warren's interest to endorse Biden now. It wouldn't make sense, and not only because she is a member of the progressive wing

Biden looks now like the winning horse, but he's not a winning candidate. His boost on Super Tuesday was  in good measure due to the endorsement of Buttiglieg and Klobuchar, whom dropped out because they lacked enough critical mass and were under pressure. He's not raising enthusiasm in the Dem base, just rallying the moderate camp behind him. He does not look like a winning presidential candidate, honestly. On the other hand, it will be hard for Sanders to beat the Dem establishment. I see no clear benefits for her endorsing one of the two

[Tender Branson]

2:35 p.m.

Bernie Sanders says that he’s spoken to Elizabeth Warren by phone after her disappointing Super Tuesday showing and that she’s “not made any decisions” about leaving the Democratic presidential race.

Warren’s campaign said the Massachusetts senator was talking to her team Wednesday to assess the path forward and would make up her mind on her own time. She didn’t win any of the 14 states that voted Tuesday and finished third in her home state.

Sanders and Warren are the strongest progressive voices in the presidential race — and two of the four Democrats remaining in the race. But they haven’t spoken frequently since January, when Warren accused Sanders of suggesting during a private 2018 meeting that a woman couldn’t win the White House — an accusation the Vermont senator forcefully denied.

Sanders didn’t say whether Warren would endorse him should she opt to leave the race, nor if he sought her endorsement.

Sanders himself had an underwhelming Super Tuesday performance but ended up winning the night’s biggest prize, California, along with three other states. Joe Biden won 10 states, including the second-most delegate-rich state, Texas.

[John Dule]

As it turns out, I was COMPLETELY wrong about Warren benefiting from the drop-outs.

This is no disappointment to me, though. Nothing about this primary has been so relieving as the Democratic primary electorate's resounding repudiation of Warren's uniquely toxic and hateful politics.

There is a constituency for that brand of demagoguery, sadly, but no more than a small minority.

Where are you getting this from? Warren is the least demagogue-y person in this race...

[W]

https://twitter.com/mviser/status/1235352750004875265?s=19

[Progressive Pessimist]

https://twitter.com/mviser/status/1235352750004875265?s=19

Hmm, I would have thought that she would endorse nobody, with how much goodwill from all corners of the party that Warren has squandered in these last few weeks. But I suppose she wants to regain whatever esteem she once had with the party's left and then can still endorse Biden by the time he is nominated for the general election.

[Oryxslayer]

https://twitter.com/AnnieLinskey/status/1235366188223467521

Shes being wooed by both of them apparently.

[Arizona Iced Tea]

If Warren endorses Biden, then Bernie has full authority to attack her for the rest of her life. I don't think he will though, he is too nice of a person.

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If Warren endorses Biden, then Bernie has full authority to attack her for the rest of her life. I don't think he will though, he is too nice of a person.

If she doesn't endorse Bernie, it's basically an endorsement of Biden at this point.

[CookieDamage]

If Warren endorses Biden, then Bernie has full authority to attack her for the rest of her life. I don't think he will though, he is too nice of a person.

If she doesn't endorse Bernie, it's basically an endorsement of Biden at this point.

No it isn't? Y'all really want everyone to immediately worship the cult leader or else you're against him.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

If Warren endorses Biden, then Bernie has full authority to attack her for the rest of her life. I don't think he will though, he is too nice of a person.

If she doesn't endorse Bernie, it's basically an endorsement of Biden at this point.

No it isn't? Y'all really want everyone to immediately worship the cult leader or else you're against him.

It's a 2 person race between Bernie and Biden, and Warren has done a lot more to help Biden lately.

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

If Warren endorses Biden, then Bernie has full authority to attack her for the rest of her life. I don't think he will though, he is too nice of a person.

If she doesn't endorse Bernie, it's basically an endorsement of Biden at this point.

No it isn't? Y'all really want everyone to immediately worship the cult leader or else you're against him.

It's a 2 person race between Bernie and Biden, and Warren has done a lot more to help Biden lately.

One week ago, everyone’s criticism of Warren was that she was attacking all the moderates too much and not doing enough to damage Bernie.

[Arizona Iced Tea]

If Warren endorses Biden, then Bernie has full authority to attack her for the rest of her life. I don't think he will though, he is too nice of a person.

If she doesn't endorse Bernie, it's basically an endorsement of Biden at this point.

No it isn't? Y'all really want everyone to immediately worship the cult leader or else you're against him.

It's a 2 person race between Bernie and Biden, and Warren has done a lot more to help Biden lately.

One week ago, everyone’s criticism of Warren was that she was attacking all the moderates too much and not doing enough to damage Bernie.

Exactly. Her takedown of Bloomberg hurt Sanders and didn't benefit her. It made possible Bloomberg voters go to Biden.