North Carolina 2020 Redistricting

[THG]

No? If the 2016 map wasn't struck federally for tri cracking the Triad I don't see how this would get struck.

I agree on VRA grounds but I hope the Supreme Court strikes down the court's ability to draw congressional maps. Arizona 2015 held that commissions could be considered legislatures, but a court obviously isn't one.

Absolutely. State Courts have far too much power over redistricting.

[kwabbit]

No? If the 2016 map wasn't struck federally for tri cracking the Triad I don't see how this would get struck.

For the Charlotte area perhaps? It removes a lot of the Black population from Adam's district for obvious partisan purposes. Alma Adams will win because of incumbency, but it's likely that the next nominee from her district will be White.

NC has a lot of edge cases for the VRA. You could draw a lot of 40% Black districts but no majority districts unless you bring back the snakes.

[Minnesota Mike]

This new map is going to the Supreme Court now:

Is it? Very unlikely the Supreme even accepts the case.

[GALeftist]

Are there any grounds to strike down the new map for VRA violations? Black voters are cracked basically anywhere they exist. If the NC Dems want a court gerrymander why not get Persily or someone else who's not trash at drawing maps. 7-7 is possible without a hideous map. I was expecting that a court that struck down the original map for being too partisan wouldn't just pick a different terrible map engineered with partisan intent.

Considering that this map actually flagrantly violates Section 2 of the VRA, there are legitimate grounds for it being struck down by higher courts.

WOW, all of a sudden VRA section 2 is very real and good and applies to plurality-as-opposed-to-majority seats!!! I'm sure the conservatives in the federal judiciary agree 👍

[Storr]

Honestly, I don't like the three judge panel map. It's like Colorado in that it reaches competitive balance (roughly matching the partisan lean of the state), but does so in a really awkward way.

Did they choose to have the D seats in Greensboro and the Triangle go to the Virginia border just to make the map look better? I don't really like the idea of splitting Charlotte. Make one seat that composes most of the county and is safe D, (Mecklenburg County has a population slightly greater than 1 million) then make a rest of Mecklenburg  + Cabarrus seat which would be a tossup. It feels like they included that southern Triangle lead D/tossup seat just so that there was a competitive seat which could be used as justification for this weird map.

[lfromnj]

Honestly, I don't like the three judge panel map. It's like Colorado in that it reaches competitive balance (roughly matching the partisan lean of the state), but does so in a really awkward way.

Did they choose to have the D seats in Greensboro and the Triangle go to the Virginia border just to make the map look better? I don't really like the idea of splitting Charlotte. Make one seat that composes most of the county and is safe D, (Mecklenburg County has a population slightly greater than 1 million) then make a rest of Mecklenburg  + Cabarrus seat which would be a tossup. It feels like they included that southern Triangle lead D/tossup seat just so that there was a competitive seat which could be used as justification for this weird map.

https://twitter.com/decunningham2/status/1446124705325273096

Whats your opinion on a non contigious map?I saw this a while back and it seems interesting.

[MillennialModerate]

Are there any grounds to strike down the new map for VRA violations? Black voters are cracked basically anywhere they exist. If the NC Dems want a court gerrymander why not get Persily or someone else who's not trash at drawing maps. 7-7 is possible without a hideous map. I was expecting that a court that struck down the original map for being too partisan wouldn't just pick a different terrible map engineered with partisan intent.

Considering that this map actually flagrantly violates Section 2 of the VRA, there are legitimate grounds for it being struck down by higher courts.

The same VRA the court doesn’t believe in?

You’re sour that the state has a FAIR map. Since we all know the GOP can’t win any branch of government if we’re actually going by majority rule not let’s rig the system

[ProgressiveModerate]

Ye as others have said, the map is pretty good, but there's def some obviously sloppy things that are just like why... most notably cracking Fayetteville.

[Oryxslayer]

Apparently there are now other plaintiffs appealing against the legislative - mainly senate - lines that were approved by the 3-member panel.

[Libertas Vel Mors]

Are there any grounds to strike down the new map for VRA violations? Black voters are cracked basically anywhere they exist. If the NC Dems want a court gerrymander why not get Persily or someone else who's not trash at drawing maps. 7-7 is possible without a hideous map. I was expecting that a court that struck down the original map for being too partisan wouldn't just pick a different terrible map engineered with partisan intent.

Considering that this map actually flagrantly violates Section 2 of the VRA, there are legitimate grounds for it being struck down by higher courts.

The same VRA the court doesn’t believe in?

You’re sour that the state has a FAIR map. Since we all know the GOP can’t win any branch of government if we’re actually going by majority rule not let’s rig the system

So true, putting Durham and Chapel Hill with rural red areas to unpack them is literally fairness. So is splitting Charlotte down the middle to create two blue seats.

[BoiseBoy]

North Carolina SC denies appeal. The new maps are going to be used for 2022. NC is finally done.

https://twitter.com/BryanRAnderson/status/1496683013928890368?s=20&t=1qT6Hhp...

[patzer]

Good decision. Aside from the split of Fayetteville this map works well, 6R-5D-3C is perfect proportionally for NC, districts are compact, communities of interest generally kept together. And no incumbents being double-bunked is a bonus.

[ProgressiveModerate]

Lowkey kinda wish they had slightly more competitive districts. This map only gonna be in place 2 years anyways most likely, but feel like they missed out on several opportunities to do so.

[THG]

Can't wait until this abomination is redrawn next year.

[BoiseBoy]

Can't wait until this abomination is redrawn next year.

Sorry you hate fair maps. Cry more.

[Libertas Vel Mors]

Can't wait until this abomination is redrawn next year.

Sorry you hate fair maps. Cry more.

A fair map of North Carolina would respect communities of interest.

[Lambsbread]

Man, that split of Winston-Salem is weird. Wake Forest and WSSU both falling into a safe R district feels strange.

[Sol]

This map is very poorly drawn in a way that doesn't really effect results--for example, Cary, Apex, and Raleigh are sliced down the middle when that cut could be easily shifted to one.

It kind of looks like somebody's first shot ever at making a map, tbh.

[Devils30]

No? If the 2016 map wasn't struck federally for tri cracking the Triad I don't see how this would get struck.

I agree on VRA grounds but I hope the Supreme Court strikes down the court's ability to draw congressional maps. Arizona 2015 held that commissions could be considered legislatures, but a court obviously isn't one.

Be very careful what you wish for. If only legislatures can draw maps, get ready for a 50-2 CA, 8-1-1 WA, 7-1 CO map.

[Smash255]

Can't wait until this abomination is redrawn next year.

Sorry you hate fair maps. Cry more.

A fair map of North Carolina would respect communities of interest.

This while not perfect, does a better job at that than any of the abominations the GOP drew over the last decade in NC.

[Libertas Vel Mors]

Can't wait until this abomination is redrawn next year.

Sorry you hate fair maps. Cry more.

A fair map of North Carolina would respect communities of interest.

This while not perfect, does a better job at that than any of the abominations the GOP drew over the last decade in NC.

No way. The original 2020s map was better.

[Antonio the Sixth]

This map is very poorly drawn in a way that doesn't really effect results--for example, Cary, Apex, and Raleigh and sliced down the middle when that cut could be easily shifted to one.

It kind of looks like somebody's first shot ever at making a map, tbh.

Yeah, this is really disappointing. I don't know why they couldn't get a professional onto it to be the special master. Heck, Persily was free since it turns out his services weren't needed in PA after all.

[ProgressiveModerate]

This map is very poorly drawn in a way that doesn't really effect results--for example, Cary, Apex, and Raleigh and sliced down the middle when that cut could be easily shifted to one.

It kind of looks like somebody's first shot ever at making a map, tbh.

Was thinking the same thing. Seems like the justices kinda just opened DRA and mígueles around till they were satisfied.

Again, this map isn’t bad, it just seems a bit strange. My biggest issues are with Fayetteville and NC-02

[Smash255]

Can't wait until this abomination is redrawn next year.

Sorry you hate fair maps. Cry more.

A fair map of North Carolina would respect communities of interest.

This while not perfect, does a better job at that than any of the abominations the GOP drew over the last decade in NC.

No way. The original 2020s map was better.

Yes because pushing a Charlotte district AND a Greensboro district WELL out into rural areas made a ton of sense from a COI point of view.  This is a much more compact map than the initial map that was passed

[Libertas Vel Mors]

Can't wait until this abomination is redrawn next year.

Sorry you hate fair maps. Cry more.

A fair map of North Carolina would respect communities of interest.

This while not perfect, does a better job at that than any of the abominations the GOP drew over the last decade in NC.

No way. The original 2020s map was better.

Yes because pushing a Charlotte district AND a Greensboro district WELL out into rural areas made a ton of sense from a COI point of view.  This is a much more compact map than the initial map that was passed

1. Didn't say it made sense. Just said it was better.

2. Yeah. Compact and COI violating.