Joe Biden 2020 campaign megathread v2

[Progressive Pessimist]

See Biden's emotional message to grieving families.

Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden spoke in deeply personal terms about the family tragedies he has endured in an emotional reflection following two mass shootings in the US that have left at least 31 dead.

Click here to watch ... https://us.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/08/06/joe-biden-grief-shootings-intv-sot-vp-ac360.cnn

I saw this last night - he interviews well. I'd feel more confident in him if he was better at debates and on the trail. For me this is easily his best moment this year.

This is the kind of stuff that people want in times of grief and discord.  Biden is excellent at this (as was Clinton--who was a master of debates and on the trail as well).

It's why I think he needs to start talking more personally about issues, health care in particular. I feel that Biden could evoke a lot of sympathy with voters when he talks about Beau's death. If he can relate those consistently to Democrats' top issue, health care, in a manner that doesn't come across as manipulative, it could be a good tactic on the campaign trail and in debates and could even disarm Trump and his usual cruelty. Biden hasn't really done that yet though.

[ProudModerate2]

Watch Biden's blistering rebuke of Trump.

During a speech in Iowa, former Vice President Joe Biden says President Trump has fanned the flames of white supremacy in America.

Watch here ... https://us.cnn.com/videos/us/2019/08/07/joe-biden-speech-on-gun-control-and-trump-lc-orig.cnn

[Roronoa D. Law]

See Biden's emotional message to grieving families.

Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden spoke in deeply personal terms about the family tragedies he has endured in an emotional reflection following two mass shootings in the US that have left at least 31 dead.

Click here to watch ... https://us.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/08/06/joe-biden-grief-shootings-intv-sot-vp-ac360.cnn

Oh I just love this man!

[Bidenworth2020]

Despite Biden's quite frankly sh**t speaking style, his sincerity makes him my favorite to take on Trump. Reminds me of Harry Truman to a degree, who also had a horrible speaking style but was clearly sincere. Voters both see and appreciate this kind of stuff.

[RogueBeaver]

https://twitter.com/EmmaKinery/status/1159543154569297924

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

The Change Research poll, not the Iowa Monmouth poll, which has a conservative bent, is the one to look out for, Biden is collapsing and Warren and Harris are mounting their comebacks.

Dems have nominated a progressive since 2000, not a moderate like Bill Clinton. Gore, Kerry, Obama and Clinton are all progressive, left candidates.

[SN2903]

I think the major problem with this strategy is that by saying that "Trump is fanning the flames of white nationalism" it could be interpreted that Biden is attacking people who voted for or still support Trump that may be on the fence in 2020. Biden needs every vote he can get. By making such a declaration he is clearly making a divisive argument.

[DINGO Joe]

It's like calling the color orange....orange.

[SN2903]

It's like calling the color orange....orange.

It's an extreme statement. Yes Trump has said divisive things but it's still an extreme statement.

[Lisa's voting Biden]

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1159561394595016712?s=20

[Pericles]

It is a legitimate argument, and even if you don't think Trump is racist and encouraging racism (unlike a majority of Americans) it's a stretch to then presume Biden is insulting Trump voters. If he were to make statements like the 'basket of deplorables' then that could be unwise. Unless you think pointing out character issues in a candidate insults anyone who ever considered backing that candidate (which is a ridiculous view of course, and it goes against established political logic and would for instance make Trump dumb for attacking Hillary so much when he wasn't dumb there), this is a fine point for Biden and the Democrats to make.

[SN2903]

It is a legitimate argument, and even if you don't think Trump is racist and encouraging racism (unlike a majority of Americans) it's a stretch to then presume Biden is insulting Trump voters. If he were to make statements like the 'basket of deplorables' then that could be unwise. Unless you think pointing out character issues in a candidate insults anyone who ever considered backing that candidate (which is a ridiculous view of course, and it goes against established political logic and would for instance make Trump dumb for attacking Hillary so much when he wasn't dumb there), this is a fine point for Biden and the Democrats to make.

You didn't say why it is smart politically to make it.

[Pericles]

It is a legitimate argument, and even if you don't think Trump is racist and encouraging racism (unlike a majority of Americans) it's a stretch to then presume Biden is insulting Trump voters. If he were to make statements like the 'basket of deplorables' then that could be unwise. Unless you think pointing out character issues in a candidate insults anyone who ever considered backing that candidate (which is a ridiculous view of course, and it goes against established political logic and would for instance make Trump dumb for attacking Hillary so much when he wasn't dumb there), this is a fine point for Biden and the Democrats to make.

You didn't say why it is smart politically to make it.

Why does any politician attack any opponent? Why did Donald Trump make such an 'extreme' attack that Hillary Clinton was a crook who should be locked up? Surely that's insulting not just her, but everyone who ever considered voting for her, and so would backfire on him? Your argument is ridiculous.

Trump's racism is legitimate to point out and a legitimate political weakness, Biden will lose no votes by pointing out Trump is a racist and highlighting this issue is a net winner for Biden-the facts and the public image are not on Trump's side here.

[7,052,770]

Yes, and he's a much better messenger than Hillary was. The people on the fence about Trump need to do some introspection and realize how deplorable Trump is, and Biden will be much more effective at nudging them in the right direction.

[SN2903]

It is a legitimate argument, and even if you don't think Trump is racist and encouraging racism (unlike a majority of Americans) it's a stretch to then presume Biden is insulting Trump voters. If he were to make statements like the 'basket of deplorables' then that could be unwise. Unless you think pointing out character issues in a candidate insults anyone who ever considered backing that candidate (which is a ridiculous view of course, and it goes against established political logic and would for instance make Trump dumb for attacking Hillary so much when he wasn't dumb there), this is a fine point for Biden and the Democrats to make.

You didn't say why it is smart politically to make it.

Why does any politician attack any opponent? Why did Donald Trump make such an 'extreme' attack that Hillary Clinton was a crook who should be locked up? Surely that's insulting not just her, but everyone who ever considered voting for her, and so would backfire on him? Your argument is ridiculous.

Trump's racism is legitimate to point out and a legitimate political weakness, Biden will lose no votes by pointing out Trump is a racist and highlighting this issue is a net winner for Biden-the facts and the public image are not on Trump's side here.

What has Trump said that is racist? Give me specifics.  Love it or leave it is not racist. How come Trump has been a public figure for decades yet him being a racist never came up till he ran for president? How come people who know him personally say he is not a racist? Giving dog whistles is not racism. Bill Clinton did that too and no one has ever accused him of being a racist.

[SN2903]

Yes, and he's a much better messenger than Hillary was. The people on the fence about Trump need to do some introspection and realize how deplorable Trump is, and Biden will be much more effective at nudging them in the right direction.

LOL. Biden is almost 80 years old. He bumbles all over the place. Trump will own him in a debate. This is not Joe Biden 2008. He is much older.

[Mr. Smith]

Not really, or at least not on its own.

Mere character-assassination [no matter how true it is] is simply not a good way to go about things.

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

https://twitter.com/EmmaKinery/status/1159622254508093442?s=19

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[here2view]

"Is it bad to fight back against someone who, at worst, inadvertently advocates for racism?"

[Matty]

It’s just a gaffe, but imagine if Orange man had said this

[ProudModerate2]

It is a legitimate argument, and even if you don't think Trump is racist and encouraging racism (unlike a majority of Americans) it's a stretch to then presume Biden is insulting Trump voters. If he were to make statements like the 'basket of deplorables' then that could be unwise. Unless you think pointing out character issues in a candidate insults anyone who ever considered backing that candidate (which is a ridiculous view of course, and it goes against established political logic and would for instance make Trump dumb for attacking Hillary so much when he wasn't dumb there), this is a fine point for Biden and the Democrats to make.

You didn't say why it is smart politically to make it.

Why does any politician attack any opponent? Why did Donald Trump make such an 'extreme' attack that Hillary Clinton was a crook who should be locked up? Surely that's insulting not just her, but everyone who ever considered voting for her, and so would backfire on him? Your argument is ridiculous.

Trump's racism is legitimate to point out and a legitimate political weakness, Biden will lose no votes by pointing out Trump is a racist and highlighting this issue is a net winner for Biden-the facts and the public image are not on Trump's side here.

What has Trump said that is racist? Give me specifics.  Love it or leave it is not racist. How come Trump has been a public figure for decades yet him being a racist never came up till he ran for president? How come people who know him personally say he is not a racist? Giving dog whistles is not racism. Bill Clinton did that too and no one has ever accused him of being a racist.

Have you been living under a rock for the last 4 years, or what?
Let's just concentrate on your "Love it or leave it, is not racist" comment in your post. And guess what ... THAT'S NOT WHAT HE SAID.

This is a huge GOP deflection statement ("love it or leave it"), that holds zero water. You are either intentionally ignoring trump's true statement and using the "official GOP talking point," or all that you rely on for you daily news is Faux, and you really don't know the truth.
Here is what trump ACTUALLY Tweeted ...
"... go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came .."

He said this towards four Democratic congresswomen (all women of color), three of whom were born in the U.S.  So I ask you, where are these American citizens, suppose to "go back" to "from which they came"? Which country exactly do you think trump meant?
Because their skin is not white, I guess the Orange Bigot means that they should go back to where their parents, grandparents, or great-grandparents were born.
Now, do you think that his statement is racist? (The answer is obvious, if you take-off the GOP horse-blinders.)

[SN2903]

It is a legitimate argument, and even if you don't think Trump is racist and encouraging racism (unlike a majority of Americans) it's a stretch to then presume Biden is insulting Trump voters. If he were to make statements like the 'basket of deplorables' then that could be unwise. Unless you think pointing out character issues in a candidate insults anyone who ever considered backing that candidate (which is a ridiculous view of course, and it goes against established political logic and would for instance make Trump dumb for attacking Hillary so much when he wasn't dumb there), this is a fine point for Biden and the Democrats to make.

You didn't say why it is smart politically to make it.

Why does any politician attack any opponent? Why did Donald Trump make such an 'extreme' attack that Hillary Clinton was a crook who should be locked up? Surely that's insulting not just her, but everyone who ever considered voting for her, and so would backfire on him? Your argument is ridiculous.

Trump's racism is legitimate to point out and a legitimate political weakness, Biden will lose no votes by pointing out Trump is a racist and highlighting this issue is a net winner for Biden-the facts and the public image are not on Trump's side here.

What has Trump said that is racist? Give me specifics.  Love it or leave it is not racist. How come Trump has been a public figure for decades yet him being a racist never came up till he ran for president? How come people who know him personally say he is not a racist? Giving dog whistles is not racism. Bill Clinton did that too and no one has ever accused him of being a racist.

Have you been living under a rock for the last 4 years, or what?
Let's just concentrate on your "Love it or leave it, is not racist" comment in your post. And guess what ... THAT'S NOT WHAT HE SAID.

This is a huge GOP deflection statement ("love it or leave it"), that holds zero water. You are either intentionally ignoring trump's true statement and using the "official GOP talking point," or all that you rely on for you daily news is Faux, and you really don't know the truth.
Here is what trump ACTUALLY Tweeted ...
"... go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came .."

He said this towards four Democratic congresswomen (all women of color), three of whom were born in the U.S.  So I ask you, where are these American citizens, suppose to "go back" to "from which they came"? Which country exactly do you think trump meant?
Because their skin is not white, I guess the Orange Bigot means that they should go back to where their parents, grandparents, or great-grandparents were born.
Do you think that is racist statement? (The answer is obvious, if you take-off the GOP horse-blinders.)

He was making a point that the nations they come from don't have nearly the opportunity the United states has and instead of constantly pointing out every negative thing about the country maybe they should be grateful for the country they are in.  Was it poorly worded? Yes. No I don't think it's racist. Is it blunt? Yes. Racism is the belief that ones own race is superior to others. Trump has never said he believes white people are superior to other races.

[Yank2133]

Yes.

The OP knows it is smart and effective and is concern trolling. The majority of Americans think Trump is a bigot and his worst polling day of his presidency came after his response to Charlottesville.

Trump's overt racism is an anchor on his presidency. It is the biggest reason why his approval ratings are crap even with a solid economy.

It would be political malpractice not to go after him on this.

[Agonized-Statism]

It's ridiculous, but electorally, it's good to rile up the base and scare up minority turnout. Keep in mind that this is all smoke and mirrors to keep us loyally voting for our capitalist parties. We're supposed to believe that either Nazis or Communists are on the verge of taking over, so we have to rally around our definitely not corporatist leader and continue the cycle of labor exploitation. Anyway, if I was Biden, I'd run around like a chicken with its head cut off and ride this hysteria to victory. If I was Trump, I'd do the same but flip the script. The best showman wins.

[Podgy the Bear]

I have no reason to think Trump is a racist--definitely not in the Bull Connor or David Duke sense.  Whether he is aiding white nationalism (or supremacy, as Beto and Warren are calling it)?  I'm not sure.

Back to the OP original question: Biden's strategy is smart and it's working.  The suburban vote is swinging hard against Trump.  States like AZ, FL, GA, NC, and even TX now in play.  And the minorities that didn't vote in MI and WI are going to do so in 2020.