Nevada set to join NPVIC (UPDATE: vetoed by idiot governor)

[Sestak]

What if Trump crossed 270 EV due to Nevada? Sisolak would be the Ralph Nader of 2020.

Republicans trying to make comments on the NPVIC without understanding what it is, exhibit 8000.

Also lol at NV being a tipping point state.

[S019]

Why is the OP so biased that he calls the governor an idiot for a VETO that the governor should have used

[OSR stands with Israel]

Thank You Governor Sisolak

[Joe Republic]

https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/sisolak-vetoes-bill-that-would-pledge-nevadas-support-to-winner-of-national-popular-vote-reject-electoral-college

Sisolak vetoed the legislation.

Hahaha, excellent.

You seem happy (and smug) for somebody whose vote in Minnesota has never counted for the Republican presidential candidate.  How worthless it must feel!

Jokes on you, I haven't always lived here.

Ah, so you chose to move to a state where your vote for the Republican presidential ticket has been consistently thrown in the trash every four years.

And when we had caucuses that mattered, it was a lot easier to be more effective in getting a good candidate that could compete.

And yet most of the choices of candidate had already dropped out long before ever getting as far as Minnesota.  You have the couple thousand people in completely different states to thank for that.  Funny how undemocratic processes such as caucuses tend to fail so easily!

[Joe Republic]

It will happen eventually, trust that. Regardless, if Trump loses the popular vote AND the electoral vote under the current system I'm curious to see how Republicans will try and force him back into the White House against public will. With conservatives controlling the Supreme Court I fully expect Republicans to try and have them void the election result based on some obscure interpretation of the constitution. But I don't think even the conservatives on the court are that crazy.

Mitch McConnell:  "The United States Senate will not validate the electoral votes cast for the Democratic ticket, as they were not submitted using the cover sheet that we faxed out to every state legislature well over six hours ago, and as you know, the deadline passed over five hours ago.  The Democrats have only themselves to blame."

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/sisolak-vetoes-bill-that-would-pledge-nevadas-support-to-winner-of-national-popular-vote-reject-electoral-college

Sisolak vetoed the legislation.

Hahaha, excellent.

You seem happy (and smug) for somebody whose vote in Minnesota has never counted for the Republican presidential candidate.  How worthless it must feel!

Jokes on you, I haven't always lived here.

Ah, so you chose to move to a state where your vote for the Republican presidential ticket has been consistently thrown in the trash every four years.

And when we had caucuses that mattered, it was a lot easier to be more effective in getting a good candidate that could compete.

And yet most of the choices of candidate had already dropped out long before ever getting as far as Minnesota.  You have the couple thousand people in completely different states to thank for that.  Funny how undemocratic processes such as caucuses tend to fail so easily!

What's undemocratic about your neighbors getting together and discuss the candidate and then pick delegates to represent them at the county, then state, and then national level?  And which candidates dropped out before MN, not that many.  I remember in 2008 it being Ron Paul, Huckabee, Romney, Santorum, Perry, and a couple others at least.

And I moved back here to help with family, and now that family has passed on I may even move to Nevada or back to Tennessee where the laws are better than here and also family in NV.  If I stay in the area, I'll probably move to Wisconsin.

[junior chįmp]

Good thing the governor vetoed this measure. Any legislation making the person with the most votes the winner is extremist and wrong.

[Cashew]

What if Trump crossed 270 EV due to Nevada? Sisolak would be the Ralph Nader of 2020.

The NPVIC doesn't take effect until it reaches 270 electoral votes. Next time try to spend a few minutes reading about it before commenting. 

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

It will happen eventually, trust that. Regardless, if Trump loses the popular vote AND the electoral vote under the current system I'm curious to see how Republicans will try and force him back into the White House against public will. With conservatives controlling the Supreme Court I fully expect Republicans to try and have them void the election result based on some obscure interpretation of the constitution. But I don't think even the conservatives on the court are that crazy.

My prediction: the GOP will try to dispute enough EVs to get the election thrown into the House, where they stand a decent chance to still control 26 states.

[Theodore]

Thank You Governor Sisolak

FF Governor

[Pandaguineapig]

It will happen eventually, trust that. Regardless, if Trump loses the popular vote AND the electoral vote under the current system I'm curious to see how Republicans will try and force him back into the White House against public will. With conservatives controlling the Supreme Court I fully expect Republicans to try and have them void the election result based on some obscure interpretation of the constitution. But I don't think even the conservatives on the court are that crazy.

My prediction: the GOP will try to dispute enough EVs to get the election thrown into the House, where they stand a decent chance to still control 26 states.

you say that as if the democrats didn't attempt to do the same thing with Ohio in 2004

[Nyvin]

It will happen eventually, trust that. Regardless, if Trump loses the popular vote AND the electoral vote under the current system I'm curious to see how Republicans will try and force him back into the White House against public will. With conservatives controlling the Supreme Court I fully expect Republicans to try and have them void the election result based on some obscure interpretation of the constitution. But I don't think even the conservatives on the court are that crazy.

My prediction: the GOP will try to dispute enough EVs to get the election thrown into the House, where they stand a decent chance to still control 26 states.

you say that as if the democrats didn't attempt to do the same thing with Ohio in 2004

If Kerry won Ohio he would've had 271 votes.  An election goes to the House when no candidate reaches 270.

[Crumpets]

It will happen eventually, trust that. Regardless, if Trump loses the popular vote AND the electoral vote under the current system I'm curious to see how Republicans will try and force him back into the White House against public will. With conservatives controlling the Supreme Court I fully expect Republicans to try and have them void the election result based on some obscure interpretation of the constitution. But I don't think even the conservatives on the court are that crazy.

My prediction: the GOP will try to dispute enough EVs to get the election thrown into the House, where they stand a decent chance to still control 26 states.

you say that as if the democrats didn't attempt to do the same thing with Ohio in 2004

If Kerry won Ohio he would've had 271 votes.  An election goes to the House when no candidate reaches 270.

Also, IIRC, Kerry conceded the morning after the election. Any effort to "do the same thing with Ohio" was pretty much non-existant outside a few random congresspeople and radio hosts.

[Progressive Pessimist]

WHY!?

[Reaganfan]

What if Trump crossed 270 EV due to Nevada? Sisolak would be the Ralph Nader of 2020.

The NPVIC doesn't take effect until it reaches 270 electoral votes. Next time try to spend a few minutes reading about it before commenting. 

I don't waste time reading left social "justice" experiments.

[Nyvin]

What if Trump crossed 270 EV due to Nevada? Sisolak would be the Ralph Nader of 2020.

The NPVIC doesn't take effect until it reaches 270 electoral votes. Next time try to spend a few minutes reading about it before commenting. 

I don't waste time reading left social "justice" experiments.

Then why bother commenting to begin with?

[emailking]

It was a protest against irregularities in how the election was conducted in Ohio (extremely long lines in Democratic areas, provisional ballots not counted, etc.). If it had theoretically succeeded, the electoral slate would have been thrown out and Bush and Cheney would have still won in the House & Senate. Everyone knew that, and it had no chance of succeeding anyway. It was just a protest.

[Yellowhammer]

Thank You Governor Sisolak

[DrScholl]

What if Trump crossed 270 EV due to Nevada? Sisolak would be the Ralph Nader of 2020.

The NPVIC doesn't take effect until it reaches 270 electoral votes. Next time try to spend a few minutes reading about it before commenting. 

I don't waste time reading left social "justice" experiments.

This is not a social justice experiment. It has nothing to do with social justice.

[Cashew]

What if Trump crossed 270 EV due to Nevada? Sisolak would be the Ralph Nader of 2020.

The NPVIC doesn't take effect until it reaches 270 electoral votes. Next time try to spend a few minutes reading about it before commenting. 

I don't waste time reading left social "justice" experiments.

Reading about what legislation actually does is wasting time, but making a fool of yourself on Atlas is not?

[Reaganfan]

What if Trump crossed 270 EV due to Nevada? Sisolak would be the Ralph Nader of 2020.

The NPVIC doesn't take effect until it reaches 270 electoral votes. Next time try to spend a few minutes reading about it before commenting. 

I don't waste time reading left social "justice" experiments.

Reading about what legislation actually does is wasting time, but making a fool of yourself on Atlas is not?

If Mitt Romney and Donald Trump had won the popular vote, but Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton the electoral vote, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

[TWTown]

I don't understand his argument. The 10 smallest states have received fewer visits in 2016 than Ohio and that two-thirds of visits in 2016 were done in the largest 20 states.
It just confuses me when people fall back on the argument that the smaller states are assisted by the EC, literally every piece of data from recent elections points to the opposite.

[Cashew]

What if Trump crossed 270 EV due to Nevada? Sisolak would be the Ralph Nader of 2020.

The NPVIC doesn't take effect until it reaches 270 electoral votes. Next time try to spend a few minutes reading about it before commenting. 

I don't waste time reading left social "justice" experiments.

Reading about what legislation actually does is wasting time, but making a fool of yourself on Atlas is not?

If Mitt Romney and Donald Trump had won the popular vote, but Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton the electoral vote, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

1. Deflection
2. Motives are not proof that an idea is good or bad, attempting to argue in this way is a logical fallacy.
3. You're right, Republican support for a popular vote plummeted after Trump was elected, so it stands to reason that if Republicans felt disadvantaged by the electoral college they would push to change it so yes indeed we wouldn't be having this conversation!

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

I don't understand his argument. The 10 smallest states have received fewer visits in 2016 than Ohio and that two-thirds of visits in 2016 were done in the largest 20 states.
It just confuses me when people fall back on the argument that the smaller states are assisted by the EC, literally every piece of data from recent elections points to the opposite.

And what exactly would the NPV do to make the candidates visit the smaller states and not just the most populous ones?

And the argument about smaller states is because a voter in Wyoming has a more weighted EV vs a California EV.  But the argument for that is that's so those smaller populations have a chance in hell of electing a president they want, not so much just for visits by candidates.

[Joe Republic]

What if Trump crossed 270 EV due to Nevada? Sisolak would be the Ralph Nader of 2020.

The NPVIC doesn't take effect until it reaches 270 electoral votes. Next time try to spend a few minutes reading about it before commenting. 

I don't waste time reading left social "justice" experiments.

Reading about what legislation actually does is wasting time, but making a fool of yourself on Atlas is not?

If Mitt Romney and Donald Trump had won the popular vote, but Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton the electoral vote, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

That’s correct, we wouldn’t be having this conversation because every red state from Texas to Wyoming would have signed onto the NPVIC by the spring of 2013.

Now, eight pages in, will we ever see any good faith arguments against this that also demonstrate at least a basic grasp of how this extremely simple system works?