Bernie Sanders 2020 campaign megathread

[Zaybay]

https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/1111743978200813568

[RussFeingoldWasRobbed]

Bold Prediction- Bernie will be the "centrist" candidate if Biden is not present

[junior chįmp]

https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/1111743978200813568

Harris is the type of candidate that consultants think would be a shoe in but in real life shes a dud.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/1111743978200813568

Harris is the type of candidate that consultants think would be a shoe in but in real life shes a dud.

Harris = Dem Rubio

Bernie = Dem Cruz

Biden (probably) = Dem Jeb

The candidates with Obama potential are Booker, Buttigieg and Beto, though Beto seems to be hitting a lower ceiling than I expected.

Who is Dem Kasich? Warren?

And I'm not voting for anyone who can be reasonably called Dem Trump.

[RussFeingoldWasRobbed]

I was supportive of Bernie until he stated his support for the neoliberal coup against Maduro and install someone who wasn't even elected! I will vote for Tulsi Gabbard instead. She is an actual true leftist!

[Eraserhead]

Bold Prediction- Bernie will be the "centrist" candidate if Biden is not present

How would that be possible?

[P. Clodius Pulcher did nothing wrong]

BERNIE SANDRS mega thread. He's a SoCal SoCialist who; doesn't know how ECONOMICS "really works". Economics = affair of the home = management = NO NO Bernie. It's simple,

[Famous Mortimer]

Bold Prediction- Bernie will be the "centrist" candidate if Biden is not present

How would that be possible?

Very easily since most of the other candidates have the same views on economics as he does (albeit while not using the "socialist" label) and many of them are more radical on social/cultural issues (reparations, #metoo, immigration, making sure that white people are only ever brought up as a group in a negative context).

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

Bernie announces $18.2 million haul in Q1

[Zaybay]

Geez, thats pretty underwhelming(a word that I would use to describe most of the fundraising reports so far).

[Rookie Yinzer]

Bernie announces $18.2 million haul in Q1

Definitely makes Kamala’s $12 million look better.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Bold Prediction- Bernie will be the "centrist" candidate if Biden is not present

How would that be possible?

Very easily since most of the other candidates have the same views on economics as he does (albeit while not using the "socialist" label) and many of them are more radical on social/cultural issues (reparations, #metoo, immigration, making sure that white people are only ever brought up as a group in a negative context).

LOL.

"Bold" prediction: He will be endorsed by Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

[Famous Mortimer]

Bold Prediction- Bernie will be the "centrist" candidate if Biden is not present

How would that be possible?

Very easily since most of the other candidates have the same views on economics as he does (albeit while not using the "socialist" label) and many of them are more radical on social/cultural issues (reparations, #metoo, immigration, making sure that white people are only ever brought up as a group in a negative context).

LOL.

"Bold" prediction: He will be endorsed by Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

What is inaccurate about my comment?

Also, how is AOC that much more radical than Kalama Harris, aside from label aesthetics?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Bold Prediction- Bernie will be the "centrist" candidate if Biden is not present

How would that be possible?

Very easily since most of the other candidates have the same views on economics as he does (albeit while not using the "socialist" label) and many of them are more radical on social/cultural issues (reparations, #metoo, immigration, making sure that white people are only ever brought up as a group in a negative context).

LOL.

"Bold" prediction: He will be endorsed by Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

What is inaccurate about my comment?

Also, how is AOC that much more radical than Kalama Harris, aside from label aesthetics?

Sanders is progressive on immigration, #metoo is not a political issue, but Sanders is not supportive of sexual assault, reparations is a fringe issue (as taken literally and not with the media twisting some out of context statements by other candidates) and no candidate is openly anti-white (which would be odd as most are white.)

Kamala Harris is someone who invited AIPAC to her office, didn't support marijuana legalization until she was forced by her state's voters (and campaigned against it) and in her first run for statewide office ran to the right of her Republican opponent on three strikes laws and other issues of draconian sentencing.

[Famous Mortimer]

Bold Prediction- Bernie will be the "centrist" candidate if Biden is not present

How would that be possible?

Very easily since most of the other candidates have the same views on economics as he does (albeit while not using the "socialist" label) and many of them are more radical on social/cultural issues (reparations, #metoo, immigration, making sure that white people are only ever brought up as a group in a negative context).

LOL.

"Bold" prediction: He will be endorsed by Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

What is inaccurate about my comment?

Also, how is AOC that much more radical than Kalama Harris, aside from label aesthetics?

Sanders is progressive on immigration, #metoo is not a political issue, but Sanders is not supportive of sexual assault, reparations is a fringe issue (as taken literally and not with the media twisting some out of context statements by other candidates) and no candidate is openly anti-white (which would be odd as most are white.)

Kamala Harris is someone who invited AIPAC to her office, didn't support marijuana legalization until she was forced by her state's voters (and campaigned against it) and in her first run for statewide office ran to the right of her Republican opponent on three strikes laws and other issues of draconian sentencing.

Sanders is very left-wing on immigration but not as left-wing as the other candidates. He said a decade ago that we shouldn't be bringing in people who are willing to work for lower wages while there are Americans unemployed (which is basically Trump rhetoric). Just in the last year, he said that some of the people trying to claim asylum at the border might not have valid claims, maybe other candidates believe this too but none of them said it. He was also against abolishing ICE within the last year and had to be forced by his supporters to change position the way Harris was forced to change on marijuana. He does not support taking down existing border walls like O'Rourke or Gillibrand. He does not support decriminalizing migration like Castro.

Whether or not "metoo is a political issue" is a semantic question. It will have an effect on the campaign. It already has. Sanders has aligned himself with the less hysterical, more moderate voices that don't think just any claim by a woman should lead to automatic disqualification form office.

Sanders opposes reparations and other candidates claim to support them. You can say that their claims are disingenuous (and they very well might be) but that doesn't change the fact that they are positioning themselves to the left of Sanders and Sanders is letting them do it. Furthermore, calling reparations a "fringe issue" is a dodge. It's not a fringe issue in the Democratic primary, enough primary voters support it that candidates feel the need to support it/pretend to support it. How can it be fringe?

As to hating white people, this is a matter of opinion. You may not think the Democrats attitude towards white people is hateful but many white people do feel that way. If any of those white people are still voting in the Democratic primary (and inexplicably some still are), they will gravitate towards the most colorblind candidates, of which Sanders is one. He is trying to get away from his image as being colorblind but he was colorblind in the past and he still puts less emphasis on fighting vague "white supremacy" and "systemic racism" that the other candidates who make it the center of the campaign.

[Famous Mortimer]

but whatever, I'm someone who is considered a horrible racist, sexist bigot by everyone on this board. I think Sanders is a much better candidate than Harris or Gillibrand or Booker. If you want to vote for a candidate I like and convince yourself he's actually the most radical, why should I try to convince you otherwise?

[Hindsight was 2020]

but whatever, I'm someone who is considered a horrible racist, sexist bigot by everyone on this board. I think Sanders is a much better candidate than Harris or Gillibrand or Booker. If you want to vote for a candidate I like and convince yourself he's actually the most radical, why should I try to convince you otherwise?

Geeh whatever gave them that idea?

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

but whatever, I'm someone who is considered a horrible racist, sexist bigot by everyone on this board. I think Sanders is a much better candidate than Harris or Gillibrand or Booker. If you want to vote for a candidate I like and convince yourself he's actually the most radical, why should I try to convince you otherwise?

Yeah, I can’t possibly imagine why anyone might consider you a horrible sexist bigot

It's unpopular to say but I really do believe there are a lot of misguided women who would allow themselves to get "raped" rather than just say "no" even though saying "no" would likely stop many of the "rapists" Because if they said "no" and the guy did stop, then they wouldn't be able to complain about the omnipresent "rape culture"

I know it seems weird but my friends post articles on Facebook all the time, I see comments on Jezebel and other websites.

At first I thought they were poorly constructed parodies but everyone appears to be taking them at face value. If anyone is even mildly critical, they are shouted down.

The story is always the same: Girl in college. Guy asks her out. She doesn't want to but agrees out of pity. She allows herself to get drunk. She agrees to go back to his place. She makes out with him even though she doesn't want to, again out of pity. They have sex. She doesn't say "no" but she either doesn't move or she says something like "slow down" or "please wear a condom" It's rape. After the rape, she may agree to hang out with him several more times, again apparently out of pity. She may even get "raped" a couple more times. The writer will then make clear that the worst part is this person doesn't even know he's a rapist! But they are!

I've seen variations on that story so many times over the past couple years.

Also, just to be clear, nothing like that has ever happened to me. I always wait for enthusiastic consent and use a safe word even when I'm not doing anything particularly kinky, just because I'm terrified of these chicks being out there.

Those groups definitely exist but I still do think there are women who seek out the attention that being "raped" brings. I once knew in a girl, IRL, who claimed her long term boyfriend raped her because he got her to go along with sex even though she was sick and didn't feel like it. She admitted she didn't say "no" she just acquiesced to having sex with the guy she lived with and shared a bed with. She kept going out with the guy for 2 years after that also. Of course, after she told that story, everyone in the room told her what a brave, beautiful survivor she was. That's why some women try to read rape into all their past sexual encounters, the attention, it's like Munchhausen syndrome.

Of course, I don't think things like this constitute a majority of rape accusations, but they do exist. People practically brag about their rapes the way people used to brag about their bad childhoods to show how deep and interesting they are.

If a girl agrees to go on a date with you and agrees to go back to your place after that date, that would seem to be fairly clear implied consent to most people. If that's not the case, the girl needs to give a clear "no" to cancel out the mixed messages.

"Do you want to come up to my place for a drink?" = "do you want to have sex?"

Everyone knows that because it's been repeated in every piece of media ever.

Anyone who doesn't know that is either a vegetable or being disingenuous.

Obviously if you agree to a drink and say "NO" you mean "NO"

but if you agree to a drink and you don't say anything, you will come off as being coy, and that's probably your intention unless you're mentally ill or an idiot.

And as a bonus, we also have this gem regarding eugenics:
 

The mentally disabled should not be killed. They are humans. At the same time, they are absolutely a burden to society and anyone who says they are a blessing is clearly just trying to make themselves feel better about the horrible situation they are in. To minimize their burden to society, the government should run care homes where these people can be taken care of. If people want to take care of their own mentally retarded relatives by themselves, they should of course be allowed but if there are quality care homes, very few will choose that option. Also, as soon as a mental disability is diagnosed, a fetus should be aborted.This should not be mandated by law, just encouraged by society. People whose families have a history of mental retardation should also be discouraged from having children, again, not by the law, just by society. Eugenics is fine as long as it's not racial.

[GoTfan]

Bernie announces $18.2 million haul in Q1

Definitely makes Kamala’s $12 million look better.

Is it worth mentioning that the average contribution is about $20?

[OneJ]

Bernie announces $18.2 million haul in Q1

Definitely makes Kamala’s $12 million look better.

Is it worth mentioning that the average contribution is about $20?

I would think so.

It’s also not very impressive on Harris’ behalf getting less individual donors than Pete to be honest and Bernie’s individual donors were still way ahead of everyone else’s so far.

[Famous Mortimer]

but whatever, I'm someone who is considered a horrible racist, sexist bigot by everyone on this board. I think Sanders is a much better candidate than Harris or Gillibrand or Booker. If you want to vote for a candidate I like and convince yourself he's actually the most radical, why should I try to convince you otherwise?

Yeah, I can’t possibly imagine why anyone might consider you a horrible sexist bigot

It's unpopular to say but I really do believe there are a lot of misguided women who would allow themselves to get "raped" rather than just say "no" even though saying "no" would likely stop many of the "rapists" Because if they said "no" and the guy did stop, then they wouldn't be able to complain about the omnipresent "rape culture"

I know it seems weird but my friends post articles on Facebook all the time, I see comments on Jezebel and other websites.

At first I thought they were poorly constructed parodies but everyone appears to be taking them at face value. If anyone is even mildly critical, they are shouted down.

The story is always the same: Girl in college. Guy asks her out. She doesn't want to but agrees out of pity. She allows herself to get drunk. She agrees to go back to his place. She makes out with him even though she doesn't want to, again out of pity. They have sex. She doesn't say "no" but she either doesn't move or she says something like "slow down" or "please wear a condom" It's rape. After the rape, she may agree to hang out with him several more times, again apparently out of pity. She may even get "raped" a couple more times. The writer will then make clear that the worst part is this person doesn't even know he's a rapist! But they are!

I've seen variations on that story so many times over the past couple years.

Also, just to be clear, nothing like that has ever happened to me. I always wait for enthusiastic consent and use a safe word even when I'm not doing anything particularly kinky, just because I'm terrified of these chicks being out there.

Those groups definitely exist but I still do think there are women who seek out the attention that being "raped" brings. I once knew in a girl, IRL, who claimed her long term boyfriend raped her because he got her to go along with sex even though she was sick and didn't feel like it. She admitted she didn't say "no" she just acquiesced to having sex with the guy she lived with and shared a bed with. She kept going out with the guy for 2 years after that also. Of course, after she told that story, everyone in the room told her what a brave, beautiful survivor she was. That's why some women try to read rape into all their past sexual encounters, the attention, it's like Munchhausen syndrome.

Of course, I don't think things like this constitute a majority of rape accusations, but they do exist. People practically brag about their rapes the way people used to brag about their bad childhoods to show how deep and interesting they are.

If a girl agrees to go on a date with you and agrees to go back to your place after that date, that would seem to be fairly clear implied consent to most people. If that's not the case, the girl needs to give a clear "no" to cancel out the mixed messages.

"Do you want to come up to my place for a drink?" = "do you want to have sex?"

Everyone knows that because it's been repeated in every piece of media ever.

Anyone who doesn't know that is either a vegetable or being disingenuous.

Obviously if you agree to a drink and say "NO" you mean "NO"

but if you agree to a drink and you don't say anything, you will come off as being coy, and that's probably your intention unless you're mentally ill or an idiot.

And as a bonus, we also have this gem regarding eugenics:
 

The mentally disabled should not be killed. They are humans. At the same time, they are absolutely a burden to society and anyone who says they are a blessing is clearly just trying to make themselves feel better about the horrible situation they are in. To minimize their burden to society, the government should run care homes where these people can be taken care of. If people want to take care of their own mentally retarded relatives by themselves, they should of course be allowed but if there are quality care homes, very few will choose that option. Also, as soon as a mental disability is diagnosed, a fetus should be aborted.This should not be mandated by law, just encouraged by society. People whose families have a history of mental retardation should also be discouraged from having children, again, not by the law, just by society. Eugenics is fine as long as it's not racial.

It's weirdly even handed that even when you're attempting to paint me as a rape apologist, you include my comments where I clearly state that if a woman says "no", you should stop.

I was hesitant to make those comments 5 years ago but the preceding 5 years and the #metoo movement have only served to show that I was absolutely right.

My comments about eugenics being good as long as it's not racial are also completely true and reasonable. Cousin marriage is banned on purely eugenics grounds. If you think eugenics is categorically bad or untrue you should support the right of people to have children with their first cousins. You probably don't though and thus, are a eugenicists whether you admit it or not.

[Famous Mortimer]

But anyway, Bernie Sanders is one of the more conservative Democrats in the race right now. I explained how and no one was able to refute my claims other than to simply say that I'm a bad person. So my point stands.

[henster]

Biden not running wouldn’t be all that ideal for Bernie he’d be the oldest candidate by far and his age would be front and center unable to point to Biden as an out.

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Biden not running wouldn’t be all that ideal for Bernie he’d be the oldest candidate by far and his age would be front and center unable to point to Biden as an out.

Mike Gravel is over a decade older.

[Mr. Morden]

Sanders to do a town hall event on Fox News Channel on April 15th:

https://apnews.com/5293e120a4904736b2a51d01cdbb08f8

Fox News Channel says Bernie Sanders will appear on the network for a town hall event on April 15, the first Democrat to venture onto Fox for this type of an event in the current presidential campaign cycle.

Bret Baier and Martha MacCallum will co-anchor the town hall, which will be held in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. It will focus on the economy and jobs.