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« Reply #1850 on: August 26, 2019, 06:53:21 PM »


Pack it in, fellow Bernie Bros.  Bernie was cranky at dinner.  Talk about an August Surprise!

EDIT: hahahahahahahahaha... the anti-Sanders crowd here is, somehow, vastly more lame than even Twitter. 

https://twitter.com/banditelli/status/1166048739057754113?s=20
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« Reply #1851 on: August 26, 2019, 06:55:15 PM »


When was that exactly? I can't remember.
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« Reply #1852 on: August 26, 2019, 06:57:42 PM »


https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Lawmakers-put-cronies-in-plum-jobs-Big-pay-few-2864693.php
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« Reply #1853 on: August 26, 2019, 07:10:27 PM »


So before Espinoza then? That's a lifetime ago.
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« Reply #1854 on: August 26, 2019, 07:15:54 PM »


Pack it in, fellow Bernie Bros.  Bernie was cranky at dinner.  Talk about an August Surprise!

EDIT: hahahahahahahahaha... the anti-Sanders crowd here is, somehow, vastly more lame than even Twitter. 

https://twitter.com/banditelli/status/1166048739057754113?s=20
I posted this to comment on how stupid the commentary on bernie was lol I support bernie still I just thought the article was funny
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« Reply #1855 on: August 26, 2019, 07:29:56 PM »


Pack it in, fellow Bernie Bros.  Bernie was cranky at dinner.  Talk about an August Surprise!

EDIT: hahahahahahahahaha... the anti-Sanders crowd here is, somehow, vastly more lame than even Twitter. 

https://twitter.com/banditelli/status/1166048739057754113?s=20
I posted this to comment on how stupid the commentary on bernie was lol I support bernie still I just thought the article was funny

One must substantiate that in this teeming hive of anti-Sanders fervor.  There are quite a few here who would post that article, tears streaming down their face and Hot Pocket in hand, with the expectation that Bernie 2020 had just been dealt a death blow. 
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« Reply #1856 on: August 29, 2019, 10:29:37 AM »

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« Reply #1857 on: August 29, 2019, 03:21:43 PM »



Jeff Bezos doesn't want to have Amazon pay taxes now. Especially since he might not be the richest person on the planet after his divorce.
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« Reply #1858 on: August 30, 2019, 08:49:22 PM »

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« Reply #1859 on: August 30, 2019, 10:48:51 PM »


Bernie gotta stop just eliminating the debt of things he dont like
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« Reply #1860 on: August 30, 2019, 10:49:55 PM »
« Edited: August 30, 2019, 10:58:02 PM by Epaminondas »

He's doing the leg work for the DNC.
Drumming up awareness that the Dems are on the right side of history, across the country.

If only he weren't heathen, he ought to be beatified.
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« Reply #1861 on: August 30, 2019, 10:58:47 PM »

Still waiting for Bernie to eliminate my mortgage.

Damn bro I picked the wrong debt to pay down.
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« Reply #1862 on: August 31, 2019, 12:18:07 AM »
« Edited: August 31, 2019, 12:27:45 AM by ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ »

Still waiting for Bernie to eliminate my mortgage.

Damn bro I picked the wrong debt to pay down.

Tax laws already benefit homeowners a lot. And mortgages aren't a net debt unless your house lost a lot of value.
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« Reply #1863 on: August 31, 2019, 06:06:52 AM »


Bernie gotta stop just eliminating the debt of things he dont like

You meant "correcting injustices" ya bootlickin' goober.
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« Reply #1864 on: August 31, 2019, 08:50:30 AM »

Still waiting for Bernie to eliminate my mortgage.

Damn bro I picked the wrong debt to pay down.

Aww, a poor property owner. How OPPRESSED you are!
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« Reply #1865 on: August 31, 2019, 01:46:46 PM »


Inb4 PiE iN tHe sKy
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« Reply #1866 on: August 31, 2019, 01:55:57 PM »


Thread on the subject

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« Reply #1867 on: August 31, 2019, 03:18:44 PM »

Where people are hiring is interesting. Harris is hiring in Iowa & South Carolina & ofcourse California. She is probably skipping NH & maybe Nevada (depends on how well she does in Iowa, if she can come 2nd/3rd atleast).

Bernie is hiring heavily in California & now Iowa. Sanders is treating CA as an early voting state & has done a huge number of events in CA targeting a huge haul of delegates. There are other big states like Texas (50% odd of CA delegates).

Warren probably has the biggest staff in almost all early states.
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« Reply #1868 on: September 01, 2019, 10:49:23 AM »

Bernie crosses 2.5M invididual contributions. His average contribution @ 17-18 odd in extremely low & much lower than 27. If he will be @ 3M donations by Sep End, he would have lost 30M so far because his average contribution fell by 10$.

That is like 10M every quarter. He would have been @ 30-35M in fundraising in he would have been in the 27-30 range.

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« Reply #1869 on: September 01, 2019, 12:01:03 PM »
« Edited: September 01, 2019, 12:11:44 PM by GeneralMacArthur »

There's a reason Bernie highlights "individual contributions" instead of "individual contributors."

His campaign has a strategy of encouraging supporters to break large contributions into as many tiny contributions as possible.  

100 people donating $100 can be offset by one person donating $3000 in 1000 $3 increments.  That's 101 people donating $13,000, but they report "1100 individual donations with an average size of $11!")

The further down in the campaign hierarchy you get, the more explicit these instructions become.



This strategy is easy to discover because the most egregious contributors are highlighted in the massive FEC violation reports that the FEC writes every quarter about Bernie's campaign.

On top of that, Bernie routinely accepts far more than the federal limit for contributions.  So you don't even have to stop at $2800.  You can donate $30,000 in $3 increments and it will go on the record as 10,000 individual contributions.  Plenty of people did that in 2016, which is why Bernie's FEC violations report was historically long -- 600+ pages, far far far longer than any other campaign in history.





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« Reply #1870 on: September 01, 2019, 12:11:53 PM »

There's a reason Bernie highlights "individual contributions" instead of "individual contributors."











Every damn campaign highlights this. As a matter of fact, Bernie is stupid because he is the only candidate who brings unique donors. He did that in 2016 with the 2.5M donors & 8M+ contributions.

He has done it here with talk of 1M contributors & donors time & again. On the other hand, people like Warren & Pete & Joe & Harris all tout number of donations.

No. of unique donors will be less than half of number of donations. Sanders has double the donors that Warren or Pete has. So when he says 1M donors & a Pete or a Warren touts 1M or 0.8-0.9M donations, it is confusing for the average joe who think there is no gap when Sanders has double the Number of donors than anyone else.

Unless all the other candidates move to quoting unique donors, campaigns will be touting total number of donations. And total number of donations anyways give a rough idea in most cases for number of unique donors. 2.5M in a crowded primary is amazing & probably on par or better than what Bernie did last time. He is on track to beat no. of donations, just that it will not raise enough money because his base is likely poorer/more working class this time & he has lost some of his college educated comparatively richer white supporters to Warren or Pete or Harris.
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« Reply #1871 on: September 01, 2019, 12:23:35 PM »

Every damn campaign highlights this. As a matter of fact, Bernie is stupid because he is the only candidate who brings unique donors. He did that in 2016 with the 2.5M donors & 8M+ contributions.

He has done it here with talk of 1M contributors & donors time & again. On the other hand, people like Warren & Pete & Joe & Harris all tout number of donations.

No. of unique donors will be less than half of number of donations. Sanders has double the donors that Warren or Pete has. So when he says 1M donors & a Pete or a Warren touts 1M or 0.8-0.9M donations, it is confusing for the average joe who think there is no gap when Sanders has double the Number of donors than anyone else.

Can you modify your post to not quote all the tweets?  They take up quite a lot of space and there's no need to quote them.  I always just quote text.

Show me one other campaign that does this.  All the other campaigns have been obsessed with
  • How much money raised
  • How many donors
especially how many donors because it's a debate criteria.  For instance, Buttigieg announced that he had collected "$24.8 million from 294,000 donors."

Bernie, on the other hand, obsesses over
  • Average contribution value (the lower the better)
  • Number of individual contributions
So in contrast with Buttigieg, Bernie announces "2.5 million contributions averaging $17 each."

But the difference is that the first two metrics are straightforward:  How much money did you raise, how many people gave you money?
The second metric is easy to game.  Just get one person to contribute 1000 times, as the Bernie campaign is explicitly doing, and you've gamed your way to better-sounding metrics.

I don't see any other campaign ONLY announcing the number of individual contributions.  Sometimes, they announce both, like Biden had "436,000 donations from more than 256,000 donors."

But Bernie is the ONLY CANDIDATE who announces just individual contribution numbers.  And he is the ONLY CANDIDATE whose campaign apparatus goes around encouraging people to donate in tiny increments to game the numbers.  He is the ONLY CANDIDATE to have mountains upon mountains of FEC violations as a direct result of this and other shady campaign finance strategies.
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« Reply #1872 on: September 01, 2019, 12:29:52 PM »

You need years of therapy, loser.  Seek help.

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« Reply #1873 on: September 01, 2019, 12:47:07 PM »

Every damn campaign highlights this. As a matter of fact, Bernie is stupid because he is the only candidate who brings unique donors. He did that in 2016 with the 2.5M donors & 8M+ contributions.

He has done it here with talk of 1M contributors & donors time & again. On the other hand, people like Warren & Pete & Joe & Harris all tout number of donations.

No. of unique donors will be less than half of number of donations. Sanders has double the donors that Warren or Pete has. So when he says 1M donors & a Pete or a Warren touts 1M or 0.8-0.9M donations, it is confusing for the average joe who think there is no gap when Sanders has double the Number of donors than anyone else.

Can you modify your post to not quote all the tweets?  They take up quite a lot of space and there's no need to quote them.  I always just quote text.

Show me one other campaign that does this.  All the other campaigns have been obsessed with
  • How much money raised
  • How many donors
especially how many donors because it's a debate criteria.  For instance, Buttigieg announced that he had collected "$24.8 million from 294,000 donors."

Bernie, on the other hand, obsesses over
  • Average contribution value (the lower the better)
  • Number of individual contributions
So in contrast with Buttigieg, Bernie announces "2.5 million contributions averaging $17 each."

But the difference is that the first two metrics are straightforward:  How much money did you raise, how many people gave you money?
The second metric is easy to game.  Just get one person to contribute 1000 times, as the Bernie campaign is explicitly doing, and you've gamed your way to better-sounding metrics.

I don't see any other campaign ONLY announcing the number of individual contributions.  Sometimes, they announce both, like Biden had "436,000 donations from more than 256,000 donors."

But Bernie is the only candidate who ONLY announces individual contribution numbers.  And he is the ONLY candidate whose campaign apparatus goes around encouraging people to donate in tiny increments to game the numbers.  He is the ONLY candidate to have mountains upon mountains of FEC violations as a direct result of this and other shady campaign finance strategies.

You continue to post lie after lite like Trump does with an agenda to malign Sanders. The whole Sanders getting supporters 1000 donations is BS.

Here is the number of unique donors till Q2 as per NYT -

Sanders - 746,000
Warren - 421,000
Buttigieg - 390,000
Harris - 277,000
Biden - 256,000

This is NYT Data. Sanders has roughly triple the number of donors that Harris or Biden has & around double that Warren or Buttigieg has.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/02/us/politics/2020-democratic-fundraising.html

Q1 Fundraising result -

Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren's presidential campaign announced that she raised over $6 million in donations in the first quarter. The campaign said they received support from 135,000 "grassroots donors" who made more than 213,000 donations Average donation totaled $28
.

Warren is her Q1 fundraising report explicitly mentioned No. of Donations & average donation

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/democratic-fundraising-2020-democratic-candidates-reveal-q1-fundraising-efforts/

Beto O'Rourke's campaign announced that the former Texas congressman raised $9.4 million from 218,000 contributions made during the first 18 days of his grassroots campaign for president. Average donation totaled $43

Beto completed ignored no. of donors & only mentioned about number of contributions & average donation

California Sen. Kamala Harris' presidential campaign has raised $12 million from more than 218,000 individual contributions in the first quarter of 2019. With the average contribution totaling $28, the Harris campaign said that over 99 percent of her donors can contribute again.

Kamala Harris completely ignores Individual Donors & only mentions Average contribution & Individual contributions with no mention of no. of contributors or donors
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« Reply #1874 on: September 01, 2019, 12:55:26 PM »
« Edited: September 01, 2019, 01:00:23 PM by Shadows »

Elizabeth Warren’s Campaign Receives 1 Million Donations, Hitting Milestone


Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts has received one million donations to her campaign for president, her team said on Friday, making her the only Democratic candidate aside from Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont to announce reaching that threshold in the 2020 cycle.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/26/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-fundraising-1-million.html

Warren making a whole statements about hitting 1M donations (not donors)

If a Pete is highlighting his 24M haul, Sanders will ofcourse highlight his huge base of WallMart workers, teachers, people making under 50K & average donations of 17-18$.

But Faiz Shakir has send multiple emails requesting if average donation can be raised to near 27$ level similar to 2016 including asking members who are chipping in with 2-3$ to atleast put 5$ bare minimum. Sanders is also doing grassroots fundraisers & events targeted to get the average contribution to close to 27$. And is average donation size is only 17$, then Bernie needs people to donate more often to cover it up because 10$ average donation mounts to considerable amount. This 30M $ lost when average donation fell from 27 to 17 would have paid for TV advertising in Iowa, NH & Nevada !

Somewhere the down this slander has to stop. People are lying & making fake statements time & again. This is Jimmy Dore level non-sense
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