Elizabeth Warren 2020 campaign megathread

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

https://www.insider.com/obama-aides-called-elizabeth-warren-sanctimonious-narcissist-2019-9

If anything this just quells those folks on the Left who were criticizing her for being too establishment.

[User157088589849]

Three reasons Warren is totally unelectable.
1 - her senate result she performed terribly in republican areas in Massachusetts. Democrats out performed her in same districts across massachusetts. She will be disaster with uneducated voters. In places she underperformed are the same places a democrat needs to win in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Virginia, Ohio, Florida, Nevada and Colorado.
2 - her Massachusetts history is an anchor on any democratic nominee. Nobody that is democratic does well.
3 - Trump will crush her. She will do well with crazy college educated young people but to working people who are doing well won't vote for her.

[RI]

Three reasons Warren is totally unelectable.
1 - her senate result she performed terribly in republican areas in Massachusetts. Democrats out performed her in same districts across massachusetts. She will be disaster with uneducated voters. In places she underperformed are the same places a democrat needs to win in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Virginia, Ohio, Florida, Nevada and Colorado.
2 - her Massachusetts history is an anchor on any democratic nominee. Nobody that is democratic does well.
3 - Trump will crush her. She will do well with crazy college educated young people but to working people who are doing well won't vote for her.

4- She will not get the minority turnout she needs to win

[izixs]

Three reasons Warren is totally unelectable.
1 - her senate result she performed terribly in republican areas in Massachusetts. Democrats out performed her in same districts across massachusetts. She will be disaster with uneducated voters. In places she underperformed are the same places a democrat needs to win in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Virginia, Ohio, Florida, Nevada and Colorado.
2 - her Massachusetts history is an anchor on any democratic nominee. Nobody that is democratic does well.
3 - Trump will crush her. She will do well with crazy college educated young people but to working people who are doing well won't vote for her.

I keep hearing these items. These assertions. For instance, the claim that someone being too democratic is auto-magically going to do poorly. And I'm just like, ohhhh yeeeaaaah, this is concern trolling.

[Podgy the Bear]

Three reasons Warren is totally unelectable.
1 - her senate result she performed terribly in republican areas in Massachusetts. Democrats out performed her in same districts across massachusetts. She will be disaster with uneducated voters. In places she underperformed are the same places a democrat needs to win in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Virginia, Ohio, Florida, Nevada and Colorado.
2 - her Massachusetts history is an anchor on any democratic nominee. Nobody that is democratic does well.
3 - Trump will crush her. She will do well with crazy college educated young people but to working people who are doing well won't vote for her.

4- She will not get the minority turnout she needs to win

Add to that the fact that she will not pick up the independent/leaning Republican suburban vote.  Her views are simply too extreme.  They will swallow hard and vote for Trump as the devil they know.

[AngryBudgie]

Three reasons Warren is totally unelectable.
1 - her senate result she performed terribly in republican areas in Massachusetts. Democrats out performed her in same districts across massachusetts. She will be disaster with uneducated voters. In places she underperformed are the same places a democrat needs to win in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Virginia, Ohio, Florida, Nevada and Colorado.
2 - her Massachusetts history is an anchor on any democratic nominee. Nobody that is democratic does well.
3 - Trump will crush her. She will do well with crazy college educated young people but to working people who are doing well won't vote for her.

These are literally all the same point: she doesn't appeal to republicans and moderates.

I disagree on that front however. Warren is quite a gifted speaker with an uncanny ability to present her ideas in an understandable way. Combined with the fact that republicans cant seem to find a decent line of attack outside of "Pocahontas" makes me think she could be quite a formidable general election candidate.

Also, I'm not to keen on using her underperformance in 2018 as an example of her lack of crossover appeal.  From what I saw, she barely campaigned at all.

Edit: She also apparently didn't buy a single campaign ad.

Three reasons Warren is totally unelectable.
1 - her senate result she performed terribly in republican areas in Massachusetts. Democrats out performed her in same districts across massachusetts. She will be disaster with uneducated voters. In places she underperformed are the same places a democrat needs to win in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Virginia, Ohio, Florida, Nevada and Colorado.
2 - her Massachusetts history is an anchor on any democratic nominee. Nobody that is democratic does well.
3 - Trump will crush her. She will do well with crazy college educated young people but to working people who are doing well won't vote for her.

4- She will not get the minority turnout she needs to win

Same could be said for any of the white candidates outside of Biden. Thats why she needs to choose her vp carefully.

[Beefalow and the Consumer]

Three reasons Warren is totally unelectable.
1 - her senate result she performed terribly in republican areas in Massachusetts. Democrats out performed her in same districts across massachusetts. She will be disaster with uneducated voters. In places she underperformed are the same places a democrat needs to win in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Virginia, Ohio, Florida, Nevada and Colorado.
2 - her Massachusetts history is an anchor on any democratic nominee. Nobody that is democratic does well.
3 - Trump will crush her. She will do well with crazy college educated young people but to working people who are doing well won't vote for her.

4- She will not get the minority turnout she needs to win

Add to that the fact that she will not pick up the independent/leaning Republican suburban vote.  Her views are simply too extreme.  They will swallow hard and vote for Trump as the devil they know.

Nothing short of a Biden/Hickenlooper ticket is going to attract Suburban Gary Johnson voters.

[Beet]

Three reasons Warren is totally unelectable.
1 - her senate result she performed terribly in republican areas in Massachusetts. Democrats out performed her in same districts across massachusetts. She will be disaster with uneducated voters. In places she underperformed are the same places a democrat needs to win in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Virginia, Ohio, Florida, Nevada and Colorado.
2 - her Massachusetts history is an anchor on any democratic nominee. Nobody that is democratic does well.
3 - Trump will crush her. She will do well with crazy college educated young people but to working people who are doing well won't vote for her.

These are literally all the same point: she doesn't appeal to republicans and moderates.

I disagree on that front however. Warren is quite a gifted speaker with an uncanny ability to present her ideas in an understandable way. Combined with the fact that republicans cant seem to find a decent line of attack outside of "Pocahontas" makes me think she could be quite a formidable general election candidate.

Also, I'm not to keen on using her underperformance in 2018 as an example of her lack of crossover appeal.  From what I saw, she barely campaigned at all.

Edit: She also apparently didn't buy a single campaign ad.

Also the election was 2 weeks after her DNA test when the news cycle was at its worst for her, and she still outperformed Clinton in the working class blue collar areas (while underperforming Clinton in the educated upper middle class areas that Massachusetts has a lot of).

[Rookie Yinzer]

4- She will not get the minority turnout she needs to win

She will get the same black turnout that Gore, Kerry, and Hillary did. She just needs to maximize their influence where our vote is decisive (MI, WI, PA, NC, GA, FL)

No Democrat will get Obama-esque turnout until a prominent black Democrat like Abrams runs for POTUS.

[libertpaulian]

4- She will not get the minority turnout she needs to win

She will get the same black turnout that Gore, Kerry, and Hillary did. She just needs to maximize their influence where our vote is decisive (MI, WI, PA, NC, GA, FL)

No Democrat will get Obama-esque turnout until a prominent black Democrat like Abrams runs for POTUS.

I think for a white Dem to win, they need black turnout levels somewhere in between Gore/Kerry/Clinton and Obama.

[GP270watch]

4- She will not get the minority turnout she needs to win

She will get the same black turnout that Gore, Kerry, and Hillary did. She just needs to maximize their influence where our vote is decisive (MI, WI, PA, NC, GA, FL)

No Democrat will get Obama-esque turnout until a prominent black Democrat like Abrams runs for POTUS.

I think for a white Dem to win, they need black turnout levels somewhere in between Gore/Kerry/Clinton and Obama.

The electorate is getting less white overall but certain areas like the rural voters and white men are trending away from Democrats. A further complication for the Presidency is the fact that many of the states Democrats need to win still have a vast majority of white voters.

[Mr. Smith]

4- She will not get the minority turnout she needs to win

She will get the same black turnout that Gore, Kerry, and Hillary did. She just needs to maximize their influence where our vote is decisive (MI, WI, PA, NC, GA, FL)

No Democrat will get Obama-esque turnout until a prominent black Democrat like Abrams runs for POTUS.

If it weren't for Biden, either Booker or Harris likely would've guaranteed it. Instead he allowed them a "real safe pick".

[Rookie Yinzer]

https://twitter.com/WorkingFamilies/status/1173614425565204480

[Gass3268]

The Bros are getting restless on twitter.

[Donerail]

The Bros a getting restless on twitter.

love to deride "the bros" while supporting a candidate with a whiter and more affluent base

[AngryBudgie]

The Bros a getting restless on twitter.

love to deride "the bros" while supporting a candidate with a whiter and more affluent base

The same base that backed Obama over Hillary.

[Rookie Yinzer]

It's really a no-brainer that the WFP would endorse her. She supports eliminating the filibuster and has centered universal child care in her platform. Bernie is cool or whatever, but how is he going to pass ANY of his legislation while refusing to consider getting rid of the filibuster? It's nothing but hot air.

[Tintrlvr]

It's really a no-brainer that the WFP would endorse her. She supports eliminating the filibuster and has centered universal child care in her platform. Bernie is cool or whatever, but how is he going to pass ANY of his legislation while refusing to consider getting rid of the filibuster? It's nothing but hot air.

Right. The WFP is relatively practical when it comes down to it. They want results more than rhetoric and are not especially ideological. It's also true that they are largely captured by certain large unions, so they are not a "grassroots" movement comprised of individuals (and therefore sometimes their endorsements have a tinge of politics behind them). In any case, they shouldn't be thought of as glassy-eyed idealists of the sort that would support Sanders.

[OSR stands with Israel]

4- She will not get the minority turnout she needs to win

She will get the same black turnout that Gore, Kerry, and Hillary did. She just needs to maximize their influence where our vote is decisive (MI, WI, PA, NC, GA, FL)

No Democrat will get Obama-esque turnout until a prominent black Democrat like Abrams runs for POTUS.

I wonder what those 3 Dem Nominees have in common

[Rookie Yinzer]

4- She will not get the minority turnout she needs to win

She will get the same black turnout that Gore, Kerry, and Hillary did. She just needs to maximize their influence where our vote is decisive (MI, WI, PA, NC, GA, FL)

No Democrat will get Obama-esque turnout until a prominent black Democrat like Abrams runs for POTUS.

I wonder what those 3 Dem Nominees have in common

They lost but Bill Clinton didn’t really do much better either and in several of these places the black vote is more of the electorate now than it was then so.... and the black turnout isn’t the only thing that will be occurring... this doesn’t take into account the Dems gains with college educated whites which helps them in the suburbs where Dems used to get blown out.

[Pericles]

It's really a no-brainer that the WFP would endorse her. She supports eliminating the filibuster and has centered universal child care in her platform. Bernie is cool or whatever, but how is he going to pass ANY of his legislation while refusing to consider getting rid of the filibuster? It's nothing but hot air.

Tbh, Bernie is going to kill the filibuster without saying he's killed the filibuster (link), though I think it would be wiser and easier just to straight up kill the filibuster. I do think that the filibuster will ultimately be killed almost regardless of who wins, someone who says they won't kill it now will change their mind and maybe even already plans on killing it and just wants to look better when they actually do kill it.

[OSR stands with Israel]

4- She will not get the minority turnout she needs to win

She will get the same black turnout that Gore, Kerry, and Hillary did. She just needs to maximize their influence where our vote is decisive (MI, WI, PA, NC, GA, FL)

No Democrat will get Obama-esque turnout until a prominent black Democrat like Abrams runs for POTUS.

I wonder what those 3 Dem Nominees have in common

They lost but Bill Clinton didn’t really do much better either and in several of these places the black vote is more of the electorate now than it was then so.... and the black turnout isn’t the only thing that will be occurring... this doesn’t take into account the Dems gains with college educated whites which helps them in the suburbs where Dems used to get blown out.

Bill Clinton also did very well with Working Class White Voters in the Upper South, Appalachia and the Midwest and the GI Gen still had influence over politics in those days.

Clinton also did very well in the suburbs

[libertpaulian]

4- She will not get the minority turnout she needs to win

She will get the same black turnout that Gore, Kerry, and Hillary did. She just needs to maximize their influence where our vote is decisive (MI, WI, PA, NC, GA, FL)

No Democrat will get Obama-esque turnout until a prominent black Democrat like Abrams runs for POTUS.

I wonder what those 3 Dem Nominees have in common

They lost but Bill Clinton didn’t really do much better either and in several of these places the black vote is more of the electorate now than it was then so.... and the black turnout isn’t the only thing that will be occurring... this doesn’t take into account the Dems gains with college educated whites which helps them in the suburbs where Dems used to get blown out.

Bill Clinton also did very well with Working Class White Voters in the Upper South, Appalachia and the Midwest and the GI Gen still had influence over politics in those days.

Clinton also did very well in the suburbs

He didn't do well in the Southern suburbs, which are shaping up to be the political battleground of the 2020s.

[AngryBudgie]

Elizabeth Warren was in Washington Square Park tonight with some huge turnout. Granted, its NYC so filling out a park full of liberals isnt really that hard, but its a good sign that shes exciting alot of people.

[Beet]

Warren has released an updated version of her anti-corruption plan and has said it would be her first priority if elected.