FL-GOV 2018: Ron DeSantis vs. Andrew Gillum: Who wins?

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Btw, how do you Americans pronounce Gillum ?

Jill-em, Jill-um or Geel-em or Geell-um ?

Gill-um.

Gill like a fish gill
Um like bubble gum.

[Donerail]

Btw, how do you Americans pronounce Gillum ?

Jill-em, Jill-um or Geel-em or Geell-um ?

Here's an MSNBC clip w/ the pronunciation a few times.

[Comrade Funk]

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Now whether Floridians care is another question.

[Use Your Illusion]

If this primary has taught me anything it is to not underestimate either man. DeSantis is a poor candidate. He's basically a clone of every neoconservative governor we've had since Jeb! but he is unable to stand on his own two feet. With pun intended he has the ultimate Trump card. Voter turnout I expect is going to be high for him in pretty much every area.

As for Gillum.... well we already know about him. Major progressive, he's charismatic as hell, he's backed by Bernie and he's black and that in turn is his trump card as well. I don't see the Democratic base having trouble supporting him but it's the moderates and disenfranchised Republicans who he may have trouble attracting. The dude is polarizing as it gets.

All said the ball is in DeSantis' court and Gillum is gonna have to take it from him and dunk it.

For DeSantis less is more. Milk the cash cow all you can, attack Gillum for his connection on the FBI, label him as too risky and he can probably win. Stand by Trump, keep mentioning him and the base WILL turn out for him. I know I've said it a thousand times but Trump is the most magnetic character I think I have ever seen. Damn the "unfavorable" outlook he has in the public eye.... his fanbase is ing rabid. Stick to your platform on low taxes, free enterprise, etc, etc and you're gonna do very well just like every Republican before him.

For Gillum he is going to have to win this election the same way he won the primary. He is gonna have to cover every square inch of the state of Florida at the grassroots movement. Campaign in deep reds of Florida like the Okeechobee region, the panhandle, the upper peninsula in areas like Duval and Nassau. He's only going to win if he pries votes from DeSantis' hands. Gonna sound racist but he's a slam dunk for black voters because well..... I think we know why and if he gets them out to vote he has a chance.

This election could prove to be almost as polarizing as Clinton vs Trump and it really can go either way

[HisGrace]

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Now whether Floridians care is another question.

This is way worse than the "monkey it up" thing but isn't going to get anywhere near as much attention.

[Progressive Pessimist]

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Now whether Floridians care is another question.

And therein lies the issue. They won't when DeSantis tars Gillum with the "SOCIALIST!" moniker.

[Sumner 1868]

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Now whether Floridians care is another question.

And therein lies the issue. They won't when DeSantis tars Gillum with the "SOCIALIST!" moniker.

They why did the Kenyan Muslim win their electoral votes twice?

[Technocracy Timmy]

In this environment, Gillum can definitely win.

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Now whether Floridians care is another question.

And therein lies the issue. They won't when DeSantis tars Gillum with the "SOCIALIST!" moniker.

They why did the Kenyan Muslim win their electoral votes twice?

Playing devil's advocate here, but midterm electorates are different than Presidential electorates. It's pretty well established that lots of Obama voters didn't show up for midterms when he was in office, while the type of voter that was deterred by "Kenyan Muslim death panel Ebola" showed up everywhere in 2010/2014.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Gillum, who is an up and coming newcomer and star of the Democratic party and will run for higher office and Senate, when Bill Nelson retires.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Racist robocalls hit Florida with black minstrel-style voice mocking Gillum

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[wesmoorenerd]

Racist robocalls hit Florida with black minstrel-style voice mocking Gillum

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Eh, that's messed up but it's not going to change much. The GOP can just distance themselves from and condemn these neo-Nazis.

[Technocracy Timmy]

Still the same ole Florida.

[Progressive Pessimist]

https://twitter.com/Am_Ledger/status/1034916360663584784

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Now whether Floridians care is another question.

And therein lies the issue. They won't when DeSantis tars Gillum with the "SOCIALIST!" moniker.

They why did the Kenyan Muslim win their electoral votes twice?

We're living in a different time. 2012 and its political environment seems so very long ago. Now, let me just say that since saying that in the post you quoted, that one PPP poll has me feeling mildly more optimistic towards this race. Gillum may be able to pull this off after all. If he can maintain a similar polling lead up until the election in November, I will be ready to apologize to him and the percentage of Floridians that voted for him.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Gillum can possibly upset DeSantis with Nelson on the ballot beating Scott

[Person Man]

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Now whether Floridians care is another question.

And therein lies the issue. They won't when DeSantis tars Gillum with the "SOCIALIST!" moniker.

They why did the Kenyan Muslim win their electoral votes twice?

We're living in a different time. 2012 and its political environment seems so very long ago. Now, let me just say that since saying that in the post you quoted, that one PPP poll has me feeling mildly more optimistic towards this race. Gillum may be able to pull this off after all. If he can maintain a similar polling lead up until the election in November, I will be ready to apologize to him and the percentage of Floridians that voted for him.

So Desantis is actually alt-Right, not alt-Lite?

I mean Trump retweets National Socialist propaganda, DeSantis actually helps write it.

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Still the same ole Florida.

[Fuzzy Bear]

I have trouble believing Gillum is really up 5 points.  There were a lot of undecideds in the poll that gave that result, and Florida's GOP is far more organized and in far better shape than Florida's Democratic Party.

That's a Horse Race Analysis statement, not an endorsement.  I haven't decided who I will vote for.  DeSantis is bad because he promises to be just like Rick Scott.  Gillum is bad because while he advocates some things I approve of (expanding Medicaid, some criminal justice proposals), he also advocates some things I consider horrible ($15/hour minimum wage, pro-gun control, elimination of McKay Scholarships which enables my son to go to a safe school, in favor of a teachers' union agenda).  In this situation where neither candidate is particularly attractive to me, I'm going to have to do a lot of homework to decide which candidate is better for me and my family.

[HisGrace]

Racist robocalls hit Florida with black minstrel-style voice mocking Gillum

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Eh, that's messed up but it's not going to change much. The GOP can just distance themselves from and condemn these neo-Nazis.

Seems like they're having to do that all the time these days.

[GeorgiaModerate]

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[Person Man]

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Up 10 where someone who lost by 1 was up 6? Not bad but this isn't saying much.

[KingSweden]

I have trouble believing Gillum is really up 5 points.  There were a lot of undecideds in the poll that gave that result, and Florida's GOP is far more organized and in far better shape than Florida's Democratic Party.

That's a Horse Race Analysis statement, not an endorsement.  I haven't decided who I will vote for.  DeSantis is bad because he promises to be just like Rick Scott.  Gillum is bad because while he advocates some things I approve of (expanding Medicaid, some criminal justice proposals), he also advocates some things I consider horrible ($15/hour minimum wage, pro-gun control, elimination of McKay Scholarships which enables my son to go to a safe school, in favor of a teachers' union agenda).  In this situation where neither candidate is particularly attractive to me, I'm going to have to do a lot of homework to decide which candidate is better for me and my family.

I suppose the question becomes if you think the GOP controlled House would block Gillum initiatives you may disagree with

[Fuzzy Bear]

I have trouble believing Gillum is really up 5 points.  There were a lot of undecideds in the poll that gave that result, and Florida's GOP is far more organized and in far better shape than Florida's Democratic Party.

That's a Horse Race Analysis statement, not an endorsement.  I haven't decided who I will vote for.  DeSantis is bad because he promises to be just like Rick Scott.  Gillum is bad because while he advocates some things I approve of (expanding Medicaid, some criminal justice proposals), he also advocates some things I consider horrible ($15/hour minimum wage, pro-gun control, elimination of McKay Scholarships which enables my son to go to a safe school, in favor of a teachers' union agenda).  In this situation where neither candidate is particularly attractive to me, I'm going to have to do a lot of homework to decide which candidate is better for me and my family.

I suppose the question becomes if you think the GOP controlled House would block Gillum initiatives you may disagree with

The McKay Scholarship issue is the big one.  It allows for him to be educated in an alternative setting due to his ADHD.  There are classes for him in the public school in a similar setting, but, to be honest, these classes are unsafe.  He was bullied daily when he went to public school, and the school was either unwilling or unable to stop it.

Gillum hasn't said he's against it.  He wishes to end charter schools, essentially to curry favor with teacher unions.  The second aspect has me torn, because while I resent the fact that much GOP "education policy" is little more than a war against the teacher unions, the teacher unions don't have students' best interest at heart, either, and differentiated approaches to education are needed to address Florida's staggering social problems.

[Virginiá]

I have trouble believing Gillum is really up 5 points.  There were a lot of undecideds in the poll that gave that result, and Florida's GOP is far more organized and in far better shape than Florida's Democratic Party.

That's a Horse Race Analysis statement, not an endorsement.  I haven't decided who I will vote for.  DeSantis is bad because he promises to be just like Rick Scott.  Gillum is bad because while he advocates some things I approve of (expanding Medicaid, some criminal justice proposals), he also advocates some things I consider horrible ($15/hour minimum wage, pro-gun control, elimination of McKay Scholarships which enables my son to go to a safe school, in favor of a teachers' union agenda).  In this situation where neither candidate is particularly attractive to me, I'm going to have to do a lot of homework to decide which candidate is better for me and my family.

I suppose the question becomes if you think the GOP controlled House would block Gillum initiatives you may disagree with

Yes. I mean, theoretically, if we had maybe some Watergate-level blowout, Democrats might be able to flip the FL House, but nothing indicates that kind of rout. Florida hasn't had a Republican backlash like the Midwest either, so there is no reason to believe Democrats would flip scores of marginal Trump districts that are needed to win that chamber.

Voting for Gillum is really about redistricting, having a say in policy (but not driving the discussion), and providing the other half of Florida with a governor who more vigorously pursues their interests as opposed to the Republican Party's, which has been calling the shots for 20 years now. It's nice to have some balance in what is essentially a state between tossup and Leans R.

This seems like something that could appeal to Fuzzy, even if he has some qualms with Gillum.

[Senator Spark]

Andrew Gillum by 3.