Trump/Putin disaster summit. And also overseas visit w/ NATO & UK.

[Calthrina950]

Every person who voted for Trump in 2016 and still supports him today despite this event is now a traitor to the country.

lol

Yeah, that's quite hyperbolic. The truth is that the blue avatars are vapid, useful idiots... but not traitors.

Agreed. Honestly even though I’m as outraged as he is I’m close to putting Special k on ignore

I'm dismayed by Trump's performance today, and Trump isn't being as firm towards Russia as he should be, but accusing him (and tens of millions of Americans) of treason over this is ridiculous. We are not at war with Russia.

You don't have to be officially "at war" with another nation (like Russia) in order to commit treason.

Treason as defined by the Constitution:

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."

This is the strict Constitutional definition, and though I don't approve of Trump's behavior at the meeting with Putin, I think that the claims of him being a traitor are way overblown. Many of the same individuals who are accusing Trump of treason are the same ones who wish for his impeachment. And of course, I am aware that former President Obama had to deal with the same sort of thing from those in the Republican base. But either way, it is overblown and out of proportion to the situation at hand.

[ProudModerate2]

https://twitter.com/Liz_Cheney/status/1018908769969934336

[ProudModerate2]

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We will let our Atlas member "Reaganfan" absorb this one in for a while.

[ProudModerate2]

Every person who voted for Trump in 2016 and still supports him today despite this event is now a traitor to the country.

lol

Yeah, that's quite hyperbolic. The truth is that the blue avatars are vapid, useful idiots... but not traitors.

Agreed. Honestly even though I’m as outraged as he is I’m close to putting Special k on ignore

I'm dismayed by Trump's performance today, and Trump isn't being as firm towards Russia as he should be, but accusing him (and tens of millions of Americans) of treason over this is ridiculous. We are not at war with Russia.

You don't have to be officially "at war" with another nation (like Russia) in order to commit treason.

Treason as defined by the Constitution:

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."

There's a conjunction "or" in the first sentence.  This would fall under the second part, if Russia is an enemy of the United States.

Trump is not giving Russia aid or comfort, and Russia is not an enemy of the United States.

That is not what just about every Republican on the Hill is saying.
They are all screaming today that "Russia is not our friend."

[Darthpi – Anti-Florida Activist]

https://twitter.com/Liz_Cheney/status/1018908769969934336

"Deeply troubled" Republican releases meaningless statement and continues to do absolutely nothing to actually fix the problem, part 9750.

[Virginiá]

The funny thing is, if the FBI did actually "show" Trump the server, he would have no idea what he's looking for anyway. Trump doesn't know anything about computers. Like, literally nothing. So him saying that he really needs to "see" the server means nothing. He's just too egotistical to know that. He thinks he is so smart that he'll just figure it out.

And much of the evidence isn't going to be found on the server anyway. You'll find malware and logs, but the IP addresses and other information US intelligence hacked from overseas targets is not on the DNC server. And, actually, considering CrowdStrike cleaned the DNC's servers, I doubt there is much of anything on the actual server, come to think of it.

The United States has, arguably, the most sophisticated surveillance apparatus in the world. If they are overwhelmingly stating that Russia did this, and Mueller is filing indictments of specific people they caught hacking, then yes, that should be more than enough for Trump. But he refuses to acknowledge it because he doesn't want to. He has connections to Russia, and they are all that matter to him. They matter to him so much that he would sell America out on live television in front of the Russian president. That should worry everyone, especially Republicans, who for some reason thought he would put America first.


Trump is a complete disgrace to America, and it is things like this that make it incredibly dumbfounding how Republicans could pick HIM of all people to lead this country.

[ProudModerate2]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1018943446583668736

Seem like Treacherous-Trump is attempting to back-pedal from his disastrous words.
His futile pursuit is too little, too late. Damage Done!

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1018943446583668736

Seem like Treacherous-Trump is attempting to back-pedal from his disastrous words.
His futile pursuit is too little, too late. Damage Done!

I love how he capitalized "my" as if he owns the people. He's like a two-year old.

[RINO Tom]

https://twitter.com/Liz_Cheney/status/1018908769969934336

"Deeply troubled" Republican releases meaningless statement and continues to do absolutely nothing to actually fix the problem, part 9750.

True, she should abandon her beliefs on taxes!!

[ProudModerate2]

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[Calthrina950]

https://twitter.com/Liz_Cheney/status/1018908769969934336

"Deeply troubled" Republican releases meaningless statement and continues to do absolutely nothing to actually fix the problem, part 9750.

True, she should abandon her beliefs on taxes!!

This. Just because one criticizes Trump or dislikes him does not mean that they should abandon their core political beliefs.

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

https://twitter.com/Liz_Cheney/status/1018908769969934336

"Deeply troubled" Republican releases meaningless statement and continues to do absolutely nothing to actually fix the problem, part 9750.

True, she should abandon her beliefs on taxes!!

This. Just because one criticizes Trump or dislikes him does not mean that they should abandon their core political beliefs.

Doesn't mean she should continue to turn a blind eye to Trump's treason.

[Yank2133]

Every person who voted for Trump in 2016 and still supports him today despite this event is now a traitor to the country.

lol

Yeah, that's quite hyperbolic. The truth is that the blue avatars are vapid, useful idiots... but not traitors.

Agreed. Honestly even though I’m as outraged as he is I’m close to putting Special k on ignore

I'm dismayed by Trump's performance today, and Trump isn't being as firm towards Russia as he should be, but accusing him (and tens of millions of Americans) of treason over this is ridiculous. We are not at war with Russia.

You don't have to be officially "at war" with another nation (like Russia) in order to commit treason.

Treason as defined by the Constitution:

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."

There's a conjunction "or" in the first sentence.  This would fall under the second part, if Russia is an enemy of the United States.

Trump is not giving Russia aid or comfort, and Russia is not an enemy of the United States.

Trump is literally doing Putin's bidding (ex. Attacking NATO and weaken western institutions).

[Calthrina950]

https://twitter.com/Liz_Cheney/status/1018908769969934336

"Deeply troubled" Republican releases meaningless statement and continues to do absolutely nothing to actually fix the problem, part 9750.

True, she should abandon her beliefs on taxes!!

This. Just because one criticizes Trump or dislikes him does not mean that they should abandon their core political beliefs.

Doesn't mean she should continue to turn a blind eye to Trump's treason.

What Trump did at the meeting was wrong, but it does not rise to the level of treason. Until we have definitive proof that Trump actively colluded with the Russian Government or did anything else criminal, I will not call him a traitor, nor will I demand his impeachment.

[ProudModerate2]

https://twitter.com/Liz_Cheney/status/1018908769969934336

"Deeply troubled" Republican releases meaningless statement and continues to do absolutely nothing to actually fix the problem, part 9750.

True, she should abandon her beliefs on taxes!!

This. Just because one criticizes Trump or dislikes him does not mean that they should abandon their core political beliefs.

Where did anyone say anything about "abandoning beliefs on taxes" or "their core political beliefs." The passage is about what trump did today. And the post made by the Atlas member in question, is commenting on attempting to fix (with more vigor from GOP in Congress) that specific problem.

[Calthrina950]

https://twitter.com/Liz_Cheney/status/1018908769969934336

"Deeply troubled" Republican releases meaningless statement and continues to do absolutely nothing to actually fix the problem, part 9750.

True, she should abandon her beliefs on taxes!!

This. Just because one criticizes Trump or dislikes him does not mean that they should abandon their core political beliefs.

Where did anyone say anything about "abandoning beliefs on taxes" or "their core political beliefs." The passage is about what trump did today. And the post made by the Atlas member in question, is commenting on attempting to fix (with more vigor from GOP in Congress) that specific problem.

What I said is exactly relevant. Many other posters on here have complained about how Republicans (i.e. Jeff Flake), have criticized much of what Trump has said and done, but have nevertheless voted in line with their party within Congress. This post falls into that general theme. And the responses made to it weren't out of line. I agree that the Mueller probe needs to given as much support as possible, and additional steps taken against Russia. But mocking statements of condemnation, as many have done here, isn't the best way to approach it. Rather then mock on some online forum, people should be petitioning their representatives and organizing.

[ProudModerate2]

https://twitter.com/Liz_Cheney/status/1018908769969934336

"Deeply troubled" Republican releases meaningless statement and continues to do absolutely nothing to actually fix the problem, part 9750.

True, she should abandon her beliefs on taxes!!

This. Just because one criticizes Trump or dislikes him does not mean that they should abandon their core political beliefs.

Doesn't mean she should continue to turn a blind eye to Trump's treason.

What Trump did at the meeting was wrong, but it does not rise to the level of treason. Until we have definitive proof that Trump actively colluded with the Russian Government or did anything else criminal, I will not call him a traitor, nor will I demand his impeachment.

Take a couple more Happy Pills Calthrina.
No one is forcefully pressing that you "call him a traitor, or demand his impeachment."
Just breath.

[OSR stands with Israel]

I find it funny that Atlas thinks its hypocritical when Republicans like Flake attack Trump but vote with him on Taxes , Deregulation and Judges.


Don't they know Flake had those positions long before Trump even entered politics , so of course he will vote with him on those issues .

[Yank2133]

https://twitter.com/Liz_Cheney/status/1018908769969934336

"Deeply troubled" Republican releases meaningless statement and continues to do absolutely nothing to actually fix the problem, part 9750.

True, she should abandon her beliefs on taxes!!

This. Just because one criticizes Trump or dislikes him does not mean that they should abandon their core political beliefs.

Doesn't mean she should continue to turn a blind eye to Trump's treason.

What Trump did at the meeting was wrong, but it does not rise to the level of treason. Until we have definitive proof that Trump actively colluded with the Russian Government or did anything else criminal, I will not call him a traitor, nor will I demand his impeachment.

Jesus.

Are people really being this willfully obtuse?

[ProudModerate2]

https://twitter.com/Liz_Cheney/status/1018908769969934336

"Deeply troubled" Republican releases meaningless statement and continues to do absolutely nothing to actually fix the problem, part 9750.

True, she should abandon her beliefs on taxes!!

This. Just because one criticizes Trump or dislikes him does not mean that they should abandon their core political beliefs.

Where did anyone say anything about "abandoning beliefs on taxes" or "their core political beliefs." The passage is about what trump did today. And the post made by the Atlas member in question, is commenting on attempting to fix (with more vigor from GOP in Congress) that specific problem.

What I said is exactly relevant. Many other posters on here have complained about how Republicans (i.e. Jeff Flake), have criticized much of what Trump has said and done, but have nevertheless voted in line with their party within Congress. This post falls into that general theme. And the responses made to it weren't out of line. I agree that the Mueller probe needs to given as much support as possible, and additional steps taken against Russia. But mocking statements of condemnation, as many have done here, isn't the best way to approach it. Rather then mock on some online forum, people should be petitioning their representatives and organizing.

If you want to make a general statement like that, then fine.
But then don't attach it to this specific chain of posts, as you will look foolish.

[Calthrina950]

https://twitter.com/Liz_Cheney/status/1018908769969934336

"Deeply troubled" Republican releases meaningless statement and continues to do absolutely nothing to actually fix the problem, part 9750.

True, she should abandon her beliefs on taxes!!

This. Just because one criticizes Trump or dislikes him does not mean that they should abandon their core political beliefs.

Doesn't mean she should continue to turn a blind eye to Trump's treason.

What Trump did at the meeting was wrong, but it does not rise to the level of treason. Until we have definitive proof that Trump actively colluded with the Russian Government or did anything else criminal, I will not call him a traitor, nor will I demand his impeachment.

Take a couple more Happy Pills Calthrina.
No one is forcefully pressing that you "call him a traitor, or demand his impeachment."
Just breath.

Fine. I'm tired of dealing with your mocking attitude. On to my ignore list you go.

[Calthrina950]

https://twitter.com/Liz_Cheney/status/1018908769969934336

"Deeply troubled" Republican releases meaningless statement and continues to do absolutely nothing to actually fix the problem, part 9750.

True, she should abandon her beliefs on taxes!!

This. Just because one criticizes Trump or dislikes him does not mean that they should abandon their core political beliefs.

Doesn't mean she should continue to turn a blind eye to Trump's treason.

What Trump did at the meeting was wrong, but it does not rise to the level of treason. Until we have definitive proof that Trump actively colluded with the Russian Government or did anything else criminal, I will not call him a traitor, nor will I demand his impeachment.

Jesus.

Are people really being this willfully obtuse?

Not obtuse at all. I've been following the Mueller investigation in the news, but I want to see it proceed through all its work, and for all the facts to come out, before I jump to conclusions. I don't want to be demanding impeachment or calling Trump a traitor until the information has emerged explicitly implicating him in unlawful or criminal activity. I don't agree with what Trump did at the Putin meeting today, but it does not rise to the standard that many on here think it does. Trump is misguided, and I do believe that he is hiding something. But what he said at the conference cannot be construed as treason, as our Constitution defines it.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

I’ve never been prouder of our peacemaker President. Long live the Washington-Moscow Axis! 😃😃😃

[ProudModerate2]

https://twitter.com/Liz_Cheney/status/1018908769969934336

"Deeply troubled" Republican releases meaningless statement and continues to do absolutely nothing to actually fix the problem, part 9750.

True, she should abandon her beliefs on taxes!!

This. Just because one criticizes Trump or dislikes him does not mean that they should abandon their core political beliefs.

Doesn't mean she should continue to turn a blind eye to Trump's treason.

What Trump did at the meeting was wrong, but it does not rise to the level of treason. Until we have definitive proof that Trump actively colluded with the Russian Government or did anything else criminal, I will not call him a traitor, nor will I demand his impeachment.

Take a couple more Happy Pills Calthrina.
No one is forcefully pressing that you "call him a traitor, or demand his impeachment."
Just breath.

Fine. I'm tired of dealing with your mocking attitude. On to my ignore list you go.

LOL.
What ever floats your boat.

[Virginiá]

https://twitter.com/Liz_Cheney/status/1018908769969934336

"Deeply troubled" Republican releases meaningless statement and continues to do absolutely nothing to actually fix the problem, part 9750.

True, she should abandon her beliefs on taxes!!

I get why you're saying that, but I don't really think you understand where most people are coming from on this. Voting against Trump's priorities is one of the only ways Congress can put pressure on Trump. By refusing to do this, they are essentially ceding the fight, if they ever intended to fight with him to begin with. I don't think any of them have even tried to pressure Trump by withholding votes on policy or executive/judicial confirmations.

Maybe if Republicans actually give a crap, they could use everything at their disposal to pressure not only Trump but Paul Ryan as well - to end Republican obstruction of Mueller's investigation via useless document requests, impeachment threats, and a completely botched (on purpose) House Intel. Cmte. investigation, where Ryan allowed Nunes & friends to run wild defending Trump no matter what he had to say or do.

So at the end of the day, all these statements by "concerned" Republicans are as worthless as used toilet paper. They could try and do something, but they won't, because they value party over country and their job over everything else.