Trump approval ratings thread 1.3

[pbrower2a]

It seems Trump has finally broken out of the 40% +/- 3% range and may be heading for a new equilibrium at around 42% among all adults and around 44% with registered voters, I wonder what has changed in the last week or so to prompt this shift up, North Korea looks to be the most likely explanation, in any case, if Trump's approval ratings are at 45% or higher going into November, the GOP stands a good chance of retaining both chamber's of Congress. Such an outcome would likely cause a deep crisis within Democratic ranks and perhaps also the final collapse of the Never Trump brigade.

Indeed Trump approval over 45% nationwide indicates a high likelihood of him winning re-election.  That is roughly the norm for Obama after the 2010 election, and that is where Dubya was at the start of the 2004 electoral season.

Let us not forget what the GOP and corporate lobbyists want -- a permanent hold on power so that America can become much like fascist Italy in the 1930s -- a pure plutocracy in which labor unions are irrelevant, labor is cheap and subject to brutal discipline, dissidents are rendered irrelevant even if not murdered, militarization of all aspects of public and personal life (culture, commerce, education, religion, and even family life) runs wild, and above all else the Leader is treated much like a god.  

Donald Trump already has a personality cult. He ain't Lincoln, he ain't FDR, and he ain't Churchill. He's scared of becoming a 'weak' leader like Obama... and let us remember that government by lobbyist (which we have for all practical purposes) will long survive a second term of Donald Trump should the GOP succeed in entrenching power permanently.

This is not the GOP that your grandparents knew.

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I definitely think unless the Democrats take back at least one house, it will at least be a somewhat substantial challenge finding a path forward for them.

Nearly as important will be Governor and state legislatures. Count on someone like Governor Scott Walker (Reactionary, Wisconsin) to 'deliver' Wisconsin's ten electoral votes to Donald Trump should he remain in office, but a defeated ex-Governor Walker having no ability to do such.

[Hindsight was 2020]

This thread is peak Atlas seriously.

[Person Man]

This thread is peak Atlas seriously.

We live in a peak Atlas timeline.

[Old Man Willow]

Whatever it is, his approval rating is certainly too damn high. This is such an incompetent, corrupt, and chaotically run administration that has done almost nothing to deserve an approval rating anywhere above 8%. Seriously, what is the Republican Congress and "Republican" president working on these days, besides attempting to intimidate/subvert Mueller and lie their way out of a porn star payoff? This has to be one of the most unproductive administrations and Congresses in history, a damnation given that they control every branch of government. Trump is a disgusting racist fartbag who is lucky to have inherited a good economy. That is literally the only thing he has going for him. Should the economy go south, his approval ratings will likely fall to the well-deserved single digits.

Ok, but tell me how you really feel.

I have nothing to say in response. I feel nothing but complete abhorrence for Trump, his cabal in the White House, and all his enablers. But if he's going to essentially settle in for a mediocre 45% approval rating and continued Congressional majorities, I'll probably give up on following or being interested in politics. For me, its not the bad faith, corruption, and slow erosion of our norms, values, and institutions that has me so upset -- it is the absolute lack of accountability and consequences. I think in the long run, we're all going to pay dearly for the slow-motion undermining of the rule of law, the gutting of diplomacy, and the warping of the American dream.

51% of this country voted for Bush even after no WMDS. 59% of this country voted for Reagan after he plunged the country into a recession and destroyed the middle class. If anything, Trump being below 50% at all gives hope things are changing for the better.

[Strudelcutie4427]

Whatever it is, his approval rating is certainly too damn high. This is such an incompetent, corrupt, and chaotically run administration that has done almost nothing to deserve an approval rating anywhere above 8%. Seriously, what is the Republican Congress and "Republican" president working on these days, besides attempting to intimidate/subvert Mueller and lie their way out of a porn star payoff? This has to be one of the most unproductive administrations and Congresses in history, a damnation given that they control every branch of government. Trump is a disgusting racist fartbag who is lucky to have inherited a good economy. That is literally the only thing he has going for him. Should the economy go south, his approval ratings will likely fall to the well-deserved single digits.

Ok, but tell me how you really feel.

I have nothing to say in response. I feel nothing but complete abhorrence for Trump, his cabal in the White House, and all his enablers. But if he's going to essentially settle in for a mediocre 45% approval rating and continued Congressional majorities, I'll probably give up on following or being interested in politics. For me, its not the bad faith, corruption, and slow erosion of our norms, values, and institutions that has me so upset -- it is the absolute lack of accountability and consequences. I think in the long run, we're all going to pay dearly for the slow-motion undermining of the rule of law, the gutting of diplomacy, and the warping of the American dream.

51% of this country voted for Bush even after no WMDS. 59% of this country voted for Reagan after he plunged the country into a recession and destroyed the middle class. If anything, Trump being below 50% at all gives hope things are changing for the better.

[Person Man]

Whatever it is, his approval rating is certainly too damn high. This is such an incompetent, corrupt, and chaotically run administration that has done almost nothing to deserve an approval rating anywhere above 8%. Seriously, what is the Republican Congress and "Republican" president working on these days, besides attempting to intimidate/subvert Mueller and lie their way out of a porn star payoff? This has to be one of the most unproductive administrations and Congresses in history, a damnation given that they control every branch of government. Trump is a disgusting racist fartbag who is lucky to have inherited a good economy. That is literally the only thing he has going for him. Should the economy go south, his approval ratings will likely fall to the well-deserved single digits.

Ok, but tell me how you really feel.

I have nothing to say in response. I feel nothing but complete abhorrence for Trump, his cabal in the White House, and all his enablers. But if he's going to essentially settle in for a mediocre 45% approval rating and continued Congressional majorities, I'll probably give up on following or being interested in politics. For me, its not the bad faith, corruption, and slow erosion of our norms, values, and institutions that has me so upset -- it is the absolute lack of accountability and consequences. I think in the long run, we're all going to pay dearly for the slow-motion undermining of the rule of law, the gutting of diplomacy, and the warping of the American dream.

51% of this country voted for Bush even after no WMDS. 59% of this country voted for Reagan after he plunged the country into a recession and destroyed the middle class. If anything, Trump being below 50% at all gives hope things are changing for the better.

Do you have that with an iguana? I like iguanas.

[forgotten manatee]

This thread is peak Atlas seriously.

Shrug. Sad to see such indifference from a fellow red avatar though.

[KingSweden]

This thread is peak Atlas seriously.

Shrug. Sad to see such indifference from a fellow red avatar though.

Nobody is indifferent. some of us are just not going to melt down over a poll that even the pollster thinks is a probable outlier (and credit to Reuters for including a Disclosure and releasing it anyways). A 5-6 point spike in a one day sample is just not realistic, not compared against real but much more modest rises among other pollsters.

[Wisconsin SC Race 2019]

It seems Trump has finally broken out of the 40% +/- 3% range and may be heading for a new equilibrium at around 42% among all adults and around 44% with registered voters, I wonder what has changed in the last week or so to prompt this shift up, North Korea looks to be the most likely explanation, in any case, if Trump's approval ratings are at 45% or higher going into November, the GOP stands a good chance of retaining both chamber's of Congress. Such an outcome would likely cause a deep crisis within Democratic ranks and perhaps also the final collapse of the Never Trump brigade.

Exactly, it's really troubling to see the tremendous unskewing and lack of panic among the Dems. This is their future on the line. If they don't win 2018 (and it's increasingly looking like it will be the case...special elections with low turnout mean nothing), gerrymandering will be in the hands of the GOP...and Dems will be the future Whigs. You can quote me on that when it happens.

[Person Man]

It seems Trump has finally broken out of the 40% +/- 3% range and may be heading for a new equilibrium at around 42% among all adults and around 44% with registered voters, I wonder what has changed in the last week or so to prompt this shift up, North Korea looks to be the most likely explanation, in any case, if Trump's approval ratings are at 45% or higher going into November, the GOP stands a good chance of retaining both chamber's of Congress. Such an outcome would likely cause a deep crisis within Democratic ranks and perhaps also the final collapse of the Never Trump brigade.

Exactly, it's really troubling to see the tremendous unskewing and lack of panic among the Dems. This is their future on the line. If they don't win 2018 (and it's increasingly looking like it will be the case...special elections with low turnout mean nothing), gerrymandering will be in the hands of the GOP...and Dems will be the future Whigs. You can quote me on that when it happens.

It's pretty much 2006 all over again. If Dems lose, they pretty much prove that the median voter is basically a Republican. Does this mean Republican oligharchy or that a new party will form from the left or center?

[Strudelcutie4427]

It seems Trump has finally broken out of the 40% +/- 3% range and may be heading for a new equilibrium at around 42% among all adults and around 44% with registered voters, I wonder what has changed in the last week or so to prompt this shift up, North Korea looks to be the most likely explanation, in any case, if Trump's approval ratings are at 45% or higher going into November, the GOP stands a good chance of retaining both chamber's of Congress. Such an outcome would likely cause a deep crisis within Democratic ranks and perhaps also the final collapse of the Never Trump brigade.

Exactly, it's really troubling to see the tremendous unskewing and lack of panic among the Dems. This is their future on the line. If they don't win 2018 (and it's increasingly looking like it will be the case...special elections with low turnout mean nothing), gerrymandering will be in the hands of the GOP...and Dems will be the future Whigs. You can quote me on that when it happens.

It's pretty much 2006 all over again. If Dems lose, they pretty much prove that the median voter is basically a Republican. Does this mean Republican oligharchy or that a new party will form from the left or center?

If that happens, we could become like Poland with a Center-Right and a Right Wing party

[Wisconsin SC Race 2019]

It seems Trump has finally broken out of the 40% +/- 3% range and may be heading for a new equilibrium at around 42% among all adults and around 44% with registered voters, I wonder what has changed in the last week or so to prompt this shift up, North Korea looks to be the most likely explanation, in any case, if Trump's approval ratings are at 45% or higher going into November, the GOP stands a good chance of retaining both chamber's of Congress. Such an outcome would likely cause a deep crisis within Democratic ranks and perhaps also the final collapse of the Never Trump brigade.

Exactly, it's really troubling to see the tremendous unskewing and lack of panic among the Dems. This is their future on the line. If they don't win 2018 (and it's increasingly looking like it will be the case...special elections with low turnout mean nothing), gerrymandering will be in the hands of the GOP...and Dems will be the future Whigs. You can quote me on that when it happens.

It's pretty much 2006 all over again. If Dems lose, they pretty much prove that the median voter is basically a Republican. Does this mean Republican oligharchy or that a new party will form from the left or center?

The only reason the median voter is a Republican is because Dems have proven time and time again that they only care about the coasts, the upper crusts of Phoenix/Atlanta, and Chicago

[Person Man]

It seems Trump has finally broken out of the 40% +/- 3% range and may be heading for a new equilibrium at around 42% among all adults and around 44% with registered voters, I wonder what has changed in the last week or so to prompt this shift up, North Korea looks to be the most likely explanation, in any case, if Trump's approval ratings are at 45% or higher going into November, the GOP stands a good chance of retaining both chamber's of Congress. Such an outcome would likely cause a deep crisis within Democratic ranks and perhaps also the final collapse of the Never Trump brigade.

Exactly, it's really troubling to see the tremendous unskewing and lack of panic among the Dems. This is their future on the line. If they don't win 2018 (and it's increasingly looking like it will be the case...special elections with low turnout mean nothing), gerrymandering will be in the hands of the GOP...and Dems will be the future Whigs. You can quote me on that when it happens.

It's pretty much 2006 all over again. If Dems lose, they pretty much prove that the median voter is basically a Republican. Does this mean Republican oligharchy or that a new party will form from the left or center?

If that happens, we could become like Poland with a Center-Right and a Right Wing party

Basically a Trumpist GOP and a Democratic party that is turned to a  bland neoconservative globalism and though would still be culturally humanist, they would only pass token measures.

[forgotten manatee]

This thread is peak Atlas seriously.

Shrug. Sad to see such indifference from a fellow red avatar though.

Nobody is indifferent. some of us are just not going to melt down over a poll that even the pollster thinks is a probable outlier (and credit to Reuters for including a Disclosure and releasing it anyways). A 5-6 point spike in a one day sample is just not realistic, not compared against real but much more modest rises among other pollsters.

It is more than one poll. Nearly 18 months into this administration, which has been a revolving door of corrupt and incompetent cabinet members, a slow revelation of the campaign's cooperation with a hostile foreign power during the election (FFS, we have a known meeting between Don Jr, Kushner, Manafort, and a Russian agent IN TRUMP TOWER AFTER THEY WERE PROMISED DIRT ON HILARY CLINTON, and yet 2 out of those 3 are still actively involved in either the day-to-day operations of the White House or in the public messaging aspect of the administration, meanwhile the other is probably going to spend his life in a fukcing jail, when was the last time that happened to a major presidential campaign manager), not to mention the ethical dumpster fire that is Donald J. Trump, a serial liar, philanderer, and wanna-be authoritarian, and his approval ratings across the board are still basically 40%. Had Barack Obama been responsible for anything that had occurred in the last 18 months, he would've been forced to resign by now, after having an approval rating that fell to about 2%. I would never have continued to support him, after all of this. The same fate would befall almost any other leader of any organization, had they been saddled with similar baggage or found to have been involved in such widespread wrongdoing. But this tangerine fartbag just gets to keep being president, and have a 40% approval rating too. No consequences, no oversight. Nothing. Its maddening, frankly.

[Person Man]

This thread is peak Atlas seriously.

Shrug. Sad to see such indifference from a fellow red avatar though.

Nobody is indifferent. some of us are just not going to melt down over a poll that even the pollster thinks is a probable outlier (and credit to Reuters for including a Disclosure and releasing it anyways). A 5-6 point spike in a one day sample is just not realistic, not compared against real but much more modest rises among other pollsters.

It is more than one poll. Nearly 18 months into this administration, which has been a revolving door of corrupt and incompetent cabinet members, a slow revelation of the campaign's cooperation with a hostile foreign power during the election (FFS, we have a known meeting between Don Jr, Kushner, Manafort, and a Russian agent IN TRUMP TOWER AFTER THEY WERE PROMISED DIRT ON HILARY CLINTON, and yet 2 out of those 3 are still actively involved in either the day-to-day operations of the White House or in the public messaging aspect of the administration), not to mention the ethical dumpster fire that is Donald J. Trump, a serial liar, philanderer, and wanna-be authoritarian, and his approval ratings across the board are still basically 40%. Had Barack Obama been responsible for anything that had occurred in the last 18 months, he would've been forced to resign by now, after having an approval rating that fell to about 2%. I would never have continued to support him, after all of this. The same fate would befall almost any other leader of any organization, had they been saddled with similar baggage or found to have been involved in such widespread wrongdoing. But this tangerine fartbag just gets to keep being president, and have a 40% approval rating too. No consequences, no oversight. Nothing. Its maddening, frankly.

That's not a president. That's a king!

[forgotten manatee]

Alright, rant over.

[KingSweden]

This thread is peak Atlas seriously.

Shrug. Sad to see such indifference from a fellow red avatar though.

Nobody is indifferent. some of us are just not going to melt down over a poll that even the pollster thinks is a probable outlier (and credit to Reuters for including a Disclosure and releasing it anyways). A 5-6 point spike in a one day sample is just not realistic, not compared against real but much more modest rises among other pollsters.

It is more than one poll. Nearly 18 months into this administration, which has been a revolving door of corrupt and incompetent cabinet members, a slow revelation of the campaign's cooperation with a hostile foreign power during the election (FFS, we have a known meeting between Don Jr, Kushner, Manafort, and a Russian agent IN TRUMP TOWER AFTER THEY WERE PROMISED DIRT ON HILARY CLINTON, and yet 2 out of those 3 are still actively involved in either the day-to-day operations of the White House or in the public messaging aspect of the administration), not to mention the ethical dumpster fire that is Donald J. Trump, a serial liar, philanderer, and wanna-be authoritarian, and his approval ratings across the board are still basically 40%. Had Barack Obama been responsible for anything that had occurred in the last 18 months, he would've been forced to resign by now, after having an approval rating that fell to about 2%. I would never have continued to support him, after all of this. The same fate would befall almost any other leader of any organization, had they been saddled with similar baggage or found to have been involved in such widespread wrongdoing. But this tangerine fartbag just gets to keep being president, and have a 40% approval rating too. No consequences, no oversight. Nothing. Its maddening, frankly.

Another way to look at it - it’s a testament to how divivise and controversial his Presidency is that even as the economy grows comfortably and were at 17 year lows for unemployment, he’s been mired around 40 his whole Presidency. Sure he’ll drop to 38 or so, or come up to about 42, but he’s hovered around the same place for about a year. He hasn’t had a net positive approval since the first week of his Presidency.

I get it man. I hate him too, and I’m not voting GOP for a looooong time after the cowardly way they’ve acquiesced to his nonsense in return for the crumbs of their agenda. But considering the macro environment, 42% approvals and a -10 on average net rating is BAD. A President Romney or President Rubio would, conservatively, be in the high 50s

[forgotten manatee]

This thread is peak Atlas seriously.

Shrug. Sad to see such indifference from a fellow red avatar though.

Nobody is indifferent. some of us are just not going to melt down over a poll that even the pollster thinks is a probable outlier (and credit to Reuters for including a Disclosure and releasing it anyways). A 5-6 point spike in a one day sample is just not realistic, not compared against real but much more modest rises among other pollsters.

It is more than one poll. Nearly 18 months into this administration, which has been a revolving door of corrupt and incompetent cabinet members, a slow revelation of the campaign's cooperation with a hostile foreign power during the election (FFS, we have a known meeting between Don Jr, Kushner, Manafort, and a Russian agent IN TRUMP TOWER AFTER THEY WERE PROMISED DIRT ON HILARY CLINTON, and yet 2 out of those 3 are still actively involved in either the day-to-day operations of the White House or in the public messaging aspect of the administration), not to mention the ethical dumpster fire that is Donald J. Trump, a serial liar, philanderer, and wanna-be authoritarian, and his approval ratings across the board are still basically 40%. Had Barack Obama been responsible for anything that had occurred in the last 18 months, he would've been forced to resign by now, after having an approval rating that fell to about 2%. I would never have continued to support him, after all of this. The same fate would befall almost any other leader of any organization, had they been saddled with similar baggage or found to have been involved in such widespread wrongdoing. But this tangerine fartbag just gets to keep being president, and have a 40% approval rating too. No consequences, no oversight. Nothing. Its maddening, frankly.

Another way to look at it - it’s a testament to how divivise and controversial his Presidency is that even as the economy grows comfortably and were at 17 year lows for unemployment, he’s been mired around 40 his whole Presidency. Sure he’ll drop to 38 or so, or come up to about 42, but he’s hovered around the same place for about a year. He hasn’t had a net positive approval since the first week of his Presidency.

I get it man. I hate him too, and I’m not voting GOP for a looooong time after the cowardly way they’ve acquiesced to his nonsense in return for the crumbs of their agenda. But considering the macro environment, 42% approvals and a -10 on average net rating is BAD. A President Romney or President Rubio would, conservatively, be in the high 50s

Nah, you're right about that. All very true. But his numbers should still be lower.

[KingSweden]

This thread is peak Atlas seriously.

Shrug. Sad to see such indifference from a fellow red avatar though.

Nobody is indifferent. some of us are just not going to melt down over a poll that even the pollster thinks is a probable outlier (and credit to Reuters for including a Disclosure and releasing it anyways). A 5-6 point spike in a one day sample is just not realistic, not compared against real but much more modest rises among other pollsters.

It is more than one poll. Nearly 18 months into this administration, which has been a revolving door of corrupt and incompetent cabinet members, a slow revelation of the campaign's cooperation with a hostile foreign power during the election (FFS, we have a known meeting between Don Jr, Kushner, Manafort, and a Russian agent IN TRUMP TOWER AFTER THEY WERE PROMISED DIRT ON HILARY CLINTON, and yet 2 out of those 3 are still actively involved in either the day-to-day operations of the White House or in the public messaging aspect of the administration), not to mention the ethical dumpster fire that is Donald J. Trump, a serial liar, philanderer, and wanna-be authoritarian, and his approval ratings across the board are still basically 40%. Had Barack Obama been responsible for anything that had occurred in the last 18 months, he would've been forced to resign by now, after having an approval rating that fell to about 2%. I would never have continued to support him, after all of this. The same fate would befall almost any other leader of any organization, had they been saddled with similar baggage or found to have been involved in such widespread wrongdoing. But this tangerine fartbag just gets to keep being president, and have a 40% approval rating too. No consequences, no oversight. Nothing. Its maddening, frankly.

Another way to look at it - it’s a testament to how divivise and controversial his Presidency is that even as the economy grows comfortably and were at 17 year lows for unemployment, he’s been mired around 40 his whole Presidency. Sure he’ll drop to 38 or so, or come up to about 42, but he’s hovered around the same place for about a year. He hasn’t had a net positive approval since the first week of his Presidency.

I get it man. I hate him too, and I’m not voting GOP for a looooong time after the cowardly way they’ve acquiesced to his nonsense in return for the crumbs of their agenda. But considering the macro environment, 42% approvals and a -10 on average net rating is BAD. A President Romney or President Rubio would, conservatively, be in the high 50s

Nah, you're right about that. All very true. But his numbers should still be lower.

No disagreement from me there!

[Virginiá]

I have to agree with both of you. On one hand, with the economy doing well, Trump is not really benefiting much from it because he's so controversial and constantly surrounded by scandal.

On the other hand, Trump is constantly surrounded by scandal and is super controversial. The fact that his numbers are this high is a testament to how broken our system is, or maybe rather how poor judges of character the American people are. They didn't need to elect Donald Trump to achieve most of the same outcomes, but instead they went with someone who is a constant embarrassment to this country and is probably the most corrupt, dishonest and incompetent candidate of the entire 2016 field on both sides.

Due to the importance and attention placed on the presidency, the person who occupies that office should be someone people can look up to, someone smart and thorough, among other attributes. Trump is none of this. He's an abomination by any reasonable measure.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

59% of this country voted for Reagan after he plunged the country into a recession

Blaming Reagan for the 1981-1982 recession is ridiculous on multiple fronts.  First, it was the tight monetary policy put in place by the Federal Reserve (at the time led by Carter-appointee Volcker) that caused the recession. Second, that tight policy was an unfortunate necessity to break the spiral of stagflation that was happening.

[Holy Unifying Centrist]

I mean it just goes to show you that as long as the economy is going strong, a lot of people will follow their leader.

Bill Clinton got away with a lot of BS and had a 60% approval rating because the economy was doing so well.

[LimoLiberal]

I mean it just goes to show you that as long as the economy is going strong, a lot of people will follow their leader.

Bill Clinton got away with a lot of BS and had a 60% approval rating because the economy was doing so well.

It's also why Trump's approval ratings will probably only go up... until we hit a recession or foreign crisis.

[Holy Unifying Centrist]

Or it's announced that health care premiums are going up by 10-20% (in some cases, far more), which is more than the tax cut people got in a lot of cases.

Oh, and the premiums are going to go up mostly for older & vulnerable americans too...

[KingSweden]

I have to agree with both of you. On one hand, with the economy doing well, Trump is not really benefiting much from it because he's so controversial and constantly surrounded by scandal.

On the other hand, Trump is constantly surrounded by scandal and is super controversial. The fact that his numbers are this high is a testament to how broken our system is, or maybe rather how poor judges of character the American people are. They didn't need to elect Donald Trump to achieve most of the same outcomes, but instead they went with someone who is a constant embarrassment to this country and is probably the most corrupt, dishonest and incompetent candidate of the entire 2016 field on both sides.

Due to the importance and attention placed on the presidency, the person who occupies that office should be someone people can look up to, someone smart and thorough, among other attributes. Trump is none of this. He's an abomination by any reasonable measure.

Absolutely agree. Just want to add a counter to a lot of the rending of garments in this thread the last few hours