If Non Binary Genders are Real and Just as Valid as Man and Woman...

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

What happens if a non-binary person commits a crime?  Which prison do they go to?  Do we make a special all-inclusive prison for non-binaries, or do we have to build separate facilities for two-spirits, genderqueers, and whatever other non-binary genders people say exist?

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

Categorize and sort them into prisons and jails by birth sex.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

Categorize and sort them into prisons and jails by birth sex.

That works.  Gender and sex are the same thing for all meaningful purposes.

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you should judge each case on its own merits.

[catographer]

you should judge each case on its own merits.

agreed. also OP, nonbinary genders are real just as much as male and female are. gender identity is a spectrum.

think of it this way: u know how some people are more masculine or feminine than others of the same sex? like feminine guys or masculine girls. well, sometimes a man or woman can feel sooo masculine or feminine that they actually feel like the opposite gender. alternatively, maybe they feel a certain confusion or uncertainty, that they dont really fit "male" or "female." this is nonbinary; our society is intelligent enough to accommodate them appropriately and reasonably.

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[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I've never really thought about this issue much...but honestly now that I have I can't say I'm quite comfortable with putting trans people in prisons of their preferred gender. Imagine what would likely happen to someone with a vagina in a men's prison, that could end up being a de facto death sentence, or de facto driving to suicide after regular rapes. Or conversely the obvious issue with someone with a penis in a women's prison, as insanely stupid as the conservative handwringing over bathrooms goes this is a bit different because, well one it's a prison, the most rape-filled places on the planet and two we're talking about people who are by definition already criminals. If we're talking about non-violent offenders or someone who can't "use it" due to hormone treatments it's a bit different situation granted but a mishandling of this could be catastrophic.

The only real solution is probably keeping all trans people in some sort of separated unit. If it's a white collar type prison with minimal security issues then general population might be OK. And yes, I'm aware of the torturous conditions Manning was imprisoned in and that's not OK, I'm not even someone who believes Manning should've received a prison sentence at all. But ignoring that some sort of alternate solution should probably be sought between simply "throw them in gen pop of their birth gender" and "throw them in gen pop of their preferred gender".

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

Hopefully I don't get censored for saying that I think that Chelsea Manning deserves Federal capital punishment. I phrased it in a more pc manner this time. Anyways, the easier solution is to do it by sex. For me, sex and gender are the same thing for most all intents and purposes, but I do acknowledge that the vast majority see them as separate. But I still think that people should go to the jail/prison based on their birth sex.

[publicunofficial]

Hopefully I don't get censored for saying that I think that Chelsea Manning deserves Federal capital punishment. I phrased it in a more pc manner this time. Anyways, the easier solution is to do it by sex. For me, sex and gender are the same thing for most all intents and purposes, but I do acknowledge that the vast majority see them as separate. But I still think that people should go to the jail/prison based on their birth sex.

I think you should go jail based on your terrible opinions.

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

Hopefully I don't get censored for saying that I think that Chelsea Manning deserves Federal capital punishment. I phrased it in a more pc manner this time. Anyways, the easier solution is to do it by sex. For me, sex and gender are the same thing for most all intents and purposes, but I do acknowledge that the vast majority see them as separate. But I still think that people should go to the jail/prison based on their birth sex.

I think you should go jail based on your terrible opinions.

Very patriotic and tolerant of you.

[parochial boy]

So, it's not exactly a secret that trans people, especially transwomen, suffer from disproportionate levels of abuse if sentenced to prison of their assigned sex. I can think of quite a few cases where such prisoners have been driven to suicide as a result of it in recent years.

Really, I think sentencing someone who is transitioning to the prison of their assigned sex is quite a horrific idea, it doesn't really take much of a stretch to imagine what it would be like in that sort of environment. So that sort of question is a bit of a no brainer in my opinion.

As for people who identify as non-binary, it is really too difficult to think of a hard and fast rule, seeing is there is so much variance that you could have from case to case.

[Thank you for being a friend...]

Get rid of rape in prison, put prisoners in more private areas.  There should be a section of prison where LGBTQ people are put that is not accessible to the general prison population.

[Del Tachi]

Prisoners should be housed according to their legal gender.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

Okay, I wasn't trying to talk about transgender people (by which I mean ftm or mtf), which is a different topic for a different day, but it still falls within the gender binary.

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I don't deny that some people don't feel like they fit in with either gender.  That doesn't change the fact that man and woman are the only genders that are real.

[RFayette 🇻🇦]

Prisoners should be housed according to their legal gender.

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Hopefully I don't get censored for saying that I think that Chelsea Manning deserves Federal capital punishment. I phrased it in a more pc manner this time. Anyways, the easier solution is to do it by sex. For me, sex and gender are the same thing for most all intents and purposes, but I do acknowledge that the vast majority see them as separate. But I still think that people should go to the jail/prison based on their birth sex.

I think you should go jail based on your terrible opinions.

[catographer]

Okay, I wasn't trying to talk about transgender people (by which I mean ftm or mtf), which is a different topic for a different day, but it still falls within the gender binary.

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I don't deny that some people don't feel like they fit in with either gender.  That doesn't change the fact that man and woman are the only genders that are real.

why do u say that man and women are the only ones? sure they're the two main ones, but why can't there be things in the middle?

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people should go where they are less of a threat to others and others are less of a threat to them. whether they are trans or not may be a factor in that but it shouldn't be the only one.

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

I love it when maroon avatars call for jailing people for having in their eyes, different and undesirable views. Does not bring up bad history or optics at all . Thank god their power is shrinking, and no, democratic socialists and Berners on the rise do not count, not even they are that left wing.

Back in the USSR, or even non-socialist Pakistan, and you probably would have had it your way. Luckily, my parents came over to America before they had me, and therefore you don't get your way. I get to live and be myself, this among many reasons, is why America is so great. God bless this nation and its values worth defending. I'd be so screwed without it.

[parochial boy]

Ah yes, Pakistan of course  being notorious for the way it represses people who are transphobic

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

Ah yes, Pakistan of course  being notorious for the way it represses people who are transphobic

Well do you think at the wise age of 16 I got my most of my opinions through research and experience, or my parents, no duh.

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Also I like how the OP doesn't even consider degendering prisons.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

Okay, I wasn't trying to talk about transgender people (by which I mean ftm or mtf), which is a different topic for a different day, but it still falls within the gender binary.

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I don't deny that some people don't feel like they fit in with either gender.  That doesn't change the fact that man and woman are the only genders that are real.

why do u say that man and women are the only ones? sure they're the two main ones, but why can't there be things in the middle?

Because man and woman are based on biology while the other ones are based on feelings.  Many of these non-binary genders are also exclusive to certain cultures.  If they were real genders they would be universal.

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Once upon a time I asked why we can't just put both genders in the same prison.  I was really young at the time I didn't know what rape was.

[catographer]

Okay, I wasn't trying to talk about transgender people (by which I mean ftm or mtf), which is a different topic for a different day, but it still falls within the gender binary.

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I don't deny that some people don't feel like they fit in with either gender.  That doesn't change the fact that man and woman are the only genders that are real.

why do u say that man and women are the only ones? sure they're the two main ones, but why can't there be things in the middle?

Because man and woman are based on biology while the other ones are based on feelings.  Many of these non-binary genders are also exclusive to certain cultures.  If they were real genders they would be universal.

1. they are not based on "feelings," they are based on psychology, which is real and biological (your brain is biology). they are also immutable, and your conception of yourself as a man or woman is psychological and real regardless of whether it matches your sex.
2. if you agree that non-binary genders exist in other cultures, why can't it exist in ours? if you respond that it doesn't currently exist, then why can't it exist in the future? culture changes, after all.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

Okay, I wasn't trying to talk about transgender people (by which I mean ftm or mtf), which is a different topic for a different day, but it still falls within the gender binary.

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I don't deny that some people don't feel like they fit in with either gender.  That doesn't change the fact that man and woman are the only genders that are real.

why do u say that man and women are the only ones? sure they're the two main ones, but why can't there be things in the middle?

Because man and woman are based on biology while the other ones are based on feelings.  Many of these non-binary genders are also exclusive to certain cultures.  If they were real genders they would be universal.

1. they are not based on "feelings," they are based on psychology, which is real and biological (your brain is biology). they are also immutable, and your conception of yourself as a man or woman is psychological and real regardless of whether it matches your sex.
2. if you agree that non-binary genders exist in other cultures, why can't it exist in ours? if you respond that it doesn't currently exist, then why can't it exist in the future? culture changes, after all.

1: Man and woman are based on biology, not psychology, and the two genders have different anatomy.  The different anatomy is essential for the continuation of the human species.  The only social construct is the name we give for the two human genders.  Whether one says man and woman, homem and mulher, or 男 and 女，they refer to the same exact concept.  If someone doesn't act the way that the surrounding believes someone of their gender should behave, that doesn't mean they have a new gender.  If someone's brain tells them that they have some other gender, then they have a mental disorder and need to seek help immediately.  Lying to them to make them happy will not help.

2: The non-binary genders are fake in all cultures.  I was saying that if two-spirit was a real gender, then why does it only exist in a handful of cultures.  Truth is universal.  Male and female are universal.