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« Reply #225 on: August 09, 2018, 08:20:32 pm »

I watched the interview where Jealous cussed. My verdict: he shouldn't have even apologized.

Me too. Who even cares. Anyone who thinks pols don't swear, often perfusely, behind closed doors is deluding themselves. To see someone have a human moment at a rally and/or press conference is actually kind of refreshing.
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« Reply #226 on: August 09, 2018, 08:29:55 pm »

I watched the interview where Jealous cussed. My verdict: he shouldn't have even apologized.

Me too. Who even cares. Anyone who thinks pols don't swear, often perfusely, behind closed doors is deluding themselves. To see someone have a human moment at a rally and/or press conference is actually kind of refreshing.
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« Reply #227 on: August 09, 2018, 09:37:38 pm »

I think Jealous has been overshadowed by the media's attention on Stacy Abrams. Abrams is more likely to win than Jealous or Espy😄
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« Reply #228 on: August 09, 2018, 09:56:39 pm »

Jealous is imploding, awful candidate I think he manages to lose by double digits.

Because he swore? Are you serious?
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« Reply #229 on: August 09, 2018, 11:10:23 pm »

if anything, the outrage to this has sealed my vote for jealous
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« Reply #230 on: August 09, 2018, 11:34:28 pm »

if anything, the outrage to this has sealed my vote for jealous
Now that I think about it, I agree. This may actually move voters to Jealous. Its also free press, which is never bad(unless it turns out your a pedo, where its negative)
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« Reply #231 on: August 10, 2018, 03:40:15 am »

Jealous is imploding, awful candidate I think he manages to lose by double digits.

Because he swore? Are you serious?

This forum loves making mountains out of molehills.
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« Reply #232 on: August 10, 2018, 03:46:17 am »

I watched the interview where Jealous cussed. My verdict: he shouldn't have even apologized.

Me too. Who even cares. Anyone who thinks pols don't swear, often perfusely, behind closed doors is deluding themselves. To see someone have a human moment at a rally and/or press conference is actually kind of refreshing.

This literally sounds like when the Republicans make excuses when Trump craps his diaper in speeches.
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« Reply #233 on: August 10, 2018, 10:22:32 am »

I watched the interview where Jealous cussed. My verdict: he shouldn't have even apologized.

Me too. Who even cares. Anyone who thinks pols don't swear, often perfusely, behind closed doors is deluding themselves. To see someone have a human moment at a rally and/or press conference is actually kind of refreshing.

This literally sounds like when the Republicans make excuses when Trump craps his diaper in speeches.
Last I checked, Beto was a swearing machine, and no one complains about that.

Its a human moment, and its weird that some on Atlas think that swearing will turn off voters, cause it never has.
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« Reply #234 on: August 10, 2018, 11:38:01 am »

This literally sounds like when the Republicans make excuses when Trump craps his diaper in speeches.

I don't get why people care if politicians swear. Sure, if they profusely swear and a constant basis, ok, there is a justifiable reason to not want that, but occasional swearing, even habitual so long as it's not in every other sentence, I don't see the problem. People swear, it's what we do. Pretending like all pols shouldn't is just a fake reality.

I don't really have any opinion on Jealous one way or the other, and no overriding desire to see him win since the legislature has a supermajority of Democrats, so if you think this is some sort of partisan reaction, you're wrong.
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« Reply #235 on: August 10, 2018, 03:32:24 pm »

I watched the interview where Jealous cussed. My verdict: he shouldn't have even apologized.

Me too. Who even cares. Anyone who thinks pols don't swear, often perfusely, behind closed doors is deluding themselves. To see someone have a human moment at a rally and/or press conference is actually kind of refreshing.

This literally sounds like when the Republicans make excuses when Trump craps his diaper in speeches.
Last I checked, Beto was a swearing machine, and no one complains about that.

Its a human moment, and its weird that some on Atlas think that swearing will turn off voters, cause it never has.

Well I give Beto a pass since he's talented enough to make an R+8 seat against an mildly popular incumbent competitive but Jealous is taking a dump on a D+12 seat.
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« Reply #236 on: August 10, 2018, 03:34:48 pm »

If Jealous loses, it will not be because of this. I highly doubt there's some swing voter in Baltimore County who hates Trump, loves Ben Cardin and still has a Hillary sticker on their car who is completely turned off of Ben Jealous because of this.
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« Reply #237 on: August 10, 2018, 03:36:30 pm »

I watched the interview where Jealous cussed. My verdict: he shouldn't have even apologized.

Me too. Who even cares. Anyone who thinks pols don't swear, often perfusely, behind closed doors is deluding themselves. To see someone have a human moment at a rally and/or press conference is actually kind of refreshing.

This literally sounds like when the Republicans make excuses when Trump craps his diaper in speeches.
Last I checked, Beto was a swearing machine, and no one complains about that.

Its a human moment, and its weird that some on Atlas think that swearing will turn off voters, cause it never has.

Well I give Beto a pass since he's talented enough to make an R+8 seat against an midly popular incumbent competitive but Jealous is taking a dumb on a D+12 seat.
Im pretty sure Beto has had millions of $$$ and months to make the race from R+8 to R+5, while Jealous was nominated a month ago and has had to deal with an uber popular governor with Ds deserting him.

My point is that you cant hold a double standard for something as trivial as swearing. IMO, a politician swearing is a human moment, and makes the average voter connect better with them. If Jealous were to say "Im not a Socialist", it would be boring and robotic, something that doesnt increase turnout. This is why Beto uses swearing, its authentic, and makes him more relate-able.

And his response, after the swear, was actually really good, and well put.
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« Reply #238 on: August 10, 2018, 03:45:09 pm »

I watched the interview where Jealous cussed. My verdict: he shouldn't have even apologized.

Me too. Who even cares. Anyone who thinks pols don't swear, often perfusely, behind closed doors is deluding themselves. To see someone have a human moment at a rally and/or press conference is actually kind of refreshing.

This literally sounds like when the Republicans make excuses when Trump craps his diaper in speeches.
Last I checked, Beto was a swearing machine, and no one complains about that.

Its a human moment, and its weird that some on Atlas think that swearing will turn off voters, cause it never has.

Well I give Beto a pass since he's talented enough to make an R+8 seat against an midly popular incumbent competitive but Jealous is taking a dumb on a D+12 seat.
Im pretty sure Beto has had millions of $$$ and months to make the race from R+8 to R+5, while Jealous was nominated a month ago and has had to deal with an uber popular governor with Ds deserting him.

My point is that you cant hold a double standard for something as trivial as swearing. IMO, a politician swearing is a human moment, and makes the average voter connect better with them. If Jealous were to say "Im not a Socialist", it would be boring and robotic, something that doesnt increase turnout. This is why Beto uses swearing, its authentic, and makes him more relate-able.

And his response, after the swear, was actually really good, and well put.

But basically like A LOT of Beto's fundraising is due to his grassroots and his awesome merits and abilities as a candidate, Ben Jealous is just sitting around like a potato. And Beto still easily outraises him even by those handicapped metrics.
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« Reply #239 on: August 10, 2018, 03:46:50 pm »

I know most people don't agree with me on most things, but I'm pretty sure we can all agree that Beto is a much better candidate than Jealous.
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« Reply #240 on: August 10, 2018, 03:50:47 pm »

I watched the interview where Jealous cussed. My verdict: he shouldn't have even apologized.

Me too. Who even cares. Anyone who thinks pols don't swear, often perfusely, behind closed doors is deluding themselves. To see someone have a human moment at a rally and/or press conference is actually kind of refreshing.

This literally sounds like when the Republicans make excuses when Trump craps his diaper in speeches.
Last I checked, Beto was a swearing machine, and no one complains about that.

Its a human moment, and its weird that some on Atlas think that swearing will turn off voters, cause it never has.

Well I give Beto a pass since he's talented enough to make an R+8 seat against an midly popular incumbent competitive but Jealous is taking a dumb on a D+12 seat.
Im pretty sure Beto has had millions of $$$ and months to make the race from R+8 to R+5, while Jealous was nominated a month ago and has had to deal with an uber popular governor with Ds deserting him.

My point is that you cant hold a double standard for something as trivial as swearing. IMO, a politician swearing is a human moment, and makes the average voter connect better with them. If Jealous were to say "Im not a Socialist", it would be boring and robotic, something that doesnt increase turnout. This is why Beto uses swearing, its authentic, and makes him more relate-able.

And his response, after the swear, was actually really good, and well put.

But basically like A LOT of Beto's fundraising is due to his grassroots and his awesome merits and abilities as a candidate, Ben Jealous is just sitting around like a potato. And Beto still easily outraises him even by those handicapped metrics.
Listen, Im not gonna argue which candidate is greater, because I think its Beto. What I am arguing is that swearing doesnt really impact voters at all, and can even draw more to you. The pearl-clutching that some have about this revelation is incredibly stupid.

Jealous is a good candidate facing off against a titan. If he wins, then good on Jealous, if he doesnt, then I applaud him for trying, but if we want to see how this race will go, we need to wait some more. Hogan was losing by double digits for most of the campaign, until October, when it became a 6 digit race, with Hogan down. Just like how I say to wait for September to look at TX, we should do the same for MD, and TN for that matter.
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« Reply #241 on: August 10, 2018, 03:53:14 pm »

I watched the interview where Jealous cussed. My verdict: he shouldn't have even apologized.

Me too. Who even cares. Anyone who thinks pols don't swear, often perfusely, behind closed doors is deluding themselves. To see someone have a human moment at a rally and/or press conference is actually kind of refreshing.

This literally sounds like when the Republicans make excuses when Trump craps his diaper in speeches.
Last I checked, Beto was a swearing machine, and no one complains about that.

Its a human moment, and its weird that some on Atlas think that swearing will turn off voters, cause it never has.

Well I give Beto a pass since he's talented enough to make an R+8 seat against an midly popular incumbent competitive but Jealous is taking a dumb on a D+12 seat.
Im pretty sure Beto has had millions of $$$ and months to make the race from R+8 to R+5, while Jealous was nominated a month ago and has had to deal with an uber popular governor with Ds deserting him.

My point is that you cant hold a double standard for something as trivial as swearing. IMO, a politician swearing is a human moment, and makes the average voter connect better with them. If Jealous were to say "Im not a Socialist", it would be boring and robotic, something that doesnt increase turnout. This is why Beto uses swearing, its authentic, and makes him more relate-able.

And his response, after the swear, was actually really good, and well put.

But basically like A LOT of Beto's fundraising is due to his grassroots and his awesome merits and abilities as a candidate, Ben Jealous is just sitting around like a potato. And Beto still easily outraises him even by those handicapped metrics.
Listen, Im not gonna argue which candidate is greater, because I think its Beto. What I am arguing is that swearing doesnt really impact voters at all, and can even draw more to you. The pearl-clutching that some have about this revelation is incredibly stupid.

Jealous is a good candidate facing off against a titan. If he wins, then good on Jealous, if he doesnt, then I applaud him for trying, but if we want to see how this race will go, we need to wait some more. Hogan was losing by double digits for most of the campaign, until October, when it became a 6 digit race, with Hogan down. Just like how I say to wait for September to look at TX, we should do the same for MD, and TN for that matter.

I could see the gap on this one narrowing, and it is a winnable race, hopefully Jealous can pull through for us.
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« Reply #242 on: August 10, 2018, 04:01:15 pm »

I watched the interview where Jealous cussed. My verdict: he shouldn't have even apologized.

Me too. Who even cares. Anyone who thinks pols don't swear, often perfusely, behind closed doors is deluding themselves. To see someone have a human moment at a rally and/or press conference is actually kind of refreshing.

This literally sounds like when the Republicans make excuses when Trump craps his diaper in speeches.
Last I checked, Beto was a swearing machine, and no one complains about that.

Its a human moment, and its weird that some on Atlas think that swearing will turn off voters, cause it never has.

Well I give Beto a pass since he's talented enough to make an R+8 seat against an midly popular incumbent competitive but Jealous is taking a dumb on a D+12 seat.
Im pretty sure Beto has had millions of $$$ and months to make the race from R+8 to R+5, while Jealous was nominated a month ago and has had to deal with an uber popular governor with Ds deserting him.

My point is that you cant hold a double standard for something as trivial as swearing. IMO, a politician swearing is a human moment, and makes the average voter connect better with them. If Jealous were to say "Im not a Socialist", it would be boring and robotic, something that doesnt increase turnout. This is why Beto uses swearing, its authentic, and makes him more relate-able.

And his response, after the swear, was actually really good, and well put.

But basically like A LOT of Beto's fundraising is due to his grassroots and his awesome merits and abilities as a candidate, Ben Jealous is just sitting around like a potato. And Beto still easily outraises him even by those handicapped metrics.
Listen, Im not gonna argue which candidate is greater, because I think its Beto. What I am arguing is that swearing doesnt really impact voters at all, and can even draw more to you. The pearl-clutching that some have about this revelation is incredibly stupid.

Jealous is a good candidate facing off against a titan. If he wins, then good on Jealous, if he doesnt, then I applaud him for trying, but if we want to see how this race will go, we need to wait some more. Hogan was losing by double digits for most of the campaign, until October, when it became a 6 digit race, with Hogan down. Just like how I say to wait for September to look at TX, we should do the same for MD, and TN for that matter.

I could see the gap on this one narrowing, and it is a winnable race, hopefully Jealous can pull through for us.
I should probably say, when I said double digits, I mean he was down by around 20 points. Hogan didnt start gaining traction until mid-October.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryland_gubernatorial_election,_2014
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« Reply #243 on: August 10, 2018, 07:35:11 pm »

Iím doubly motivated to vote for Jealous now.
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« Reply #244 on: August 16, 2018, 08:23:39 am »

Sabato's Crystal Ball rating change:

From Lean R to Likely R.

http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/the-governors-2018-ratings-changes-abound/
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« Reply #245 on: August 16, 2018, 11:01:34 am »

Likely R
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« Reply #246 on: August 16, 2018, 12:38:42 pm »

Agree with this. Jealous is a bad fit for the state. People forget that Hogan was elected partly as a backlash to over-taxation, and Jealous running as an outright liberal will make it easy for Hogan to remind voters of that.

Of course, things could change between now and November, but Likely R is a legitimate rating for now.
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« Reply #247 on: August 16, 2018, 12:57:53 pm »

Agree with this. Jealous is a bad fit for the state. People forget that Hogan was elected partly as a backlash to over-taxation, and Jealous running as an outright liberal will make it easy for Hogan to remind voters of that.

Of course, things could change between now and November, but Likely R is a legitimate rating for now.
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« Reply #248 on: August 16, 2018, 02:32:34 pm »

States aren't gonna vote the same way they do in presidential election vs gubernatorial elections.

Beto and Espy are making enroads in Deep South and Abrams and B.Sutton are making enroads in the Mnt W and Solid South. It may be time that we break the trend. And Hogan, Sununu, Bueler, Laxalt and Moody are making enroads in Democratic leaning areas.  In addition, states like NV, CT, and ME may split their votes for Congress and Governorship
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« Reply #249 on: August 20, 2018, 02:52:23 pm »

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