Opinion of School Modesty Club

[Globus Cruciger]

Positive.

I certainly don't mind looking at attractive females, but I think "modest" clothes are actually a lot more attractive than the alternative.

[TNF]

"Modesty Club" sounds negative and I don't like it, but the gist of it is that while at school it's time to work and not walk around half nude or in your pajamas or whatever you rolled out of bed in. I support that and think these kids have their heads screwed on, even if the name of the club is pretentious. I think they'd like just a little professionalism to catch on. When they go to work as adults, unless it's a strip club, they won't be walking around half nude or in what they wore to bed the previous night. Schools need to better prepare kids for both college and the professional world. There's a time and place to work, and a time and place to play.

Positive (D).

I agree that to an extent schools should prepare kids for the way the real world is (regardless of the way it should be), but for plenty of things, society has stricter standards for children than the real world does (in particular cursing, as was referenced in the article).

There's a difference between wanting dress to be professional and non-distracting, which is generally a positive goal in a school I suppose, and the sexist, slut-shaming, moralizing that these parents are brainwashing their poor children to preach.

What's wrong with slut shaming? Sluts and cads are a scourge on society.

Not a thing is wrong with it (assuming both male and female sluts are treated equally negatively), and schools should absolutely have a dress code.

Nothing is wrong with calling children or adults "sluts"? Nothing at all? What a strange moral compass you have. No person should be belittled because of what they do in their spare time if it doesn't hurt anybody.

Not that calling people sluts is remotely helpful, but 'anything is fine as long as it doesn't hurt anybody' is a specific moral belief, not a generic universal principle you can just expect people (particularly traditional Catholics such as realisticidealist) to agree with.

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I'd only add that widespread fornication most certainly does hurt people in the long run. It leads to the spread of disease, higher divorce rates, and single parenthood, all of which have very negative effects on our society.

Stopped reading at "fornication"

How open minded you lefties are.

Where did I claim to be an open minded person? I'll look into your argument and call it BS when it's BS. The idea that casual sex or sex between unmarried people is inherently bad is a very dated way of viewing the world, one largely stuck in the era before...the car was invented and people started doing those sort of things. Besides, the things you mentioned (spread of disease, higher divorce rates, and single parenthood) don't necessarily flow from increased sexual activity -- condoms do well in preventing the spread of disease, as does better education. Higher divorce rates has less to do with changing sexual mores than it does with increasing economic inequality and a cultural shift away from the notion that "till death do us part" actually means that. Single parenthood is another phenomenon largely springing forth from increased economic inequality and a lack of social responsibility on behalf of some fathers and/or mothers.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

TNF, the fact that you think casual sex wasn't a done thing in the era before the car is a little chimerical. It just wasn't talked about as openly. There's no coherent way to make the argument that a moral belief is 'dated' unless you're arguing that new information has been presented (as it arguably has in the case of non-religiously-based moral opposition to homosexuality, for instance; religiously-based moral opposition to homosexuality, insofar as one is to argue--and I think one should--that it's a failure of moral understanding, is one for reasons other than its being 'dated'). 'Dated' just isn't a concept that otherwise applies to moral beliefs.

[DC Al Fine]

TNF, the fact that you think casual sex wasn't a done thing in the era before the car is a little chimerical. It just wasn't talked about as openly. There's no coherent way to make the argument that a moral belief is 'dated' unless you're arguing that new information has been presented
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 'Dated' just isn't a concept that otherwise applies to moral beliefs.

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Economic inequality my ass. Number of pre-marital sexual relationships is a far better indicator of divorce rates than economic inequality. And of course divorce of leads to single parenthood.

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I agree, but lack of social responsibility didn't just spring from the void. Men who are are cohabiting or just having sex with a woman are going to feel far less social pressure to be there for any offspring they might produce compared to married men.

[bedstuy]

Economic inequality my ass. Number of pre-marital sexual relationships is a far better indicator of divorce rates than economic inequality. And of course divorce of leads to single parenthood.

Correlation does not equal causation. 

Also, it's not like the only possible social norms are either: no premarital sex, never get divorced, OR have lots of premarital sex and have tons of kids out of wedlock.

How about a social norm that says: use birth control and take responsibility if you choose to have children?  That might also work. 

[DC Al Fine]

Economic inequality my ass. Number of pre-marital sexual relationships is a far better indicator of divorce rates than economic inequality. And of course divorce of leads to single parenthood.

Correlation does not equal causation. 

Also, it's not like the only possible social norms are either: no premarital sex, never get divorced, OR have lots of premarital sex and have tons of kids out of wedlock.

How about a social norm that says: use birth control and take responsibility if you choose to have children?  That might also work. 

Given the divorce rate in our society today, I'd say that social norm is sorely lacking.

[DreamTheater]

While I don't agree with what the club is supporting, I think it is great that they are vocalizing their opinions and not bowing down to peer pressure.

[memphis]

Generally positive, within reason of course. Nobody wants to see kids in burkhas. But wearing sexually suggestive clothing is a bit of an affront to everybody else. And it is very disruptive in a school environment.