Survey Atlasia - August At-large Senate Elections Poll

[Purple State]

Wow, look at the numbers for the DA candidates. That is just amazing.

While this doesn't reflect first preferences and that will obviously have an impact, it just goes to show how cross-cutting the DA message is. I'm proud to be a member.

[Marokai Backbeat]

Wow, look at the numbers for the DA candidates. That is just amazing.

While this doesn't reflect first preferences and that will obviously have an impact, it just goes to show how cross-cutting the DA message is. I'm proud to be a member.

This poll is sort of meaningless, though. Polls always undershoot JCP turnout & support as well as never taking into account the intricacies of our preference voting system. This poll is more of a popularity contest for those who bother to look at this board rather than a proper gauge of support.

[Rowan]

Yeah polls can't factor in JCP zombie voters.

[tmthforu94]

Also take into account, most JCP and RPP voters will preference the 3 DA candidates after their partie's candidates. A majority of Atlasians have them in the Top 5, but not many will have them in the Top 2.

[Associate Justice PiT]

Also take into account, most JCP and RPP voters will preference the 3 DA candidates after their partie's candidates. A majority of Atlasians have them in the Top 5, but not many will have them in the Top 2.

     My thoughts exactly. Pretty much everyone will have the DA candidates somewhere in their top five. However, quotas dilute your vote enough that it is unlikely to be of much help past your third or fourth preference.

[Хahar 🤔]

Yeah polls can't factor in JCP zombie voters.

Says the RPP man.

Not that the JCP's any better, mind.

[Devilman88]

     The two RPPers & the three DAers.

But I can't vote.

[Purple State]

Don't get me wrong, I did preface my remarks by saying first preferences would clearly not reflect those numbers. I'm just saying that the will of active members shows that the DA candidates are clearly most wanted in the Senate. How it will turn out? I can't see the JCP not getting one seat, or even two. This poll is more indicative of the party itself than future election results.

[Meeker]

Don't get me wrong, I did preface my remarks by saying first preferences would clearly not reflect those numbers. I'm just saying that the will of active members shows that the DA candidates are clearly most wanted in the Senate. How it will turn out? I can't see the JCP not getting one seat, or even two. This poll is more indicative of the party itself than future election results.

I'd happily vote for five JCP'ers if that was an option in this poll... but it's not, so I voted for the JCP and then the DA because I don't want the RPP to have seats.

Don't mistake the JCP not wanting the RPP and the RPP not wanting the JCP for the DA being widely loved. There's a reason you guys are the smallest major party.

[Purple State]

Don't get me wrong, I did preface my remarks by saying first preferences would clearly not reflect those numbers. I'm just saying that the will of active members shows that the DA candidates are clearly most wanted in the Senate. How it will turn out? I can't see the JCP not getting one seat, or even two. This poll is more indicative of the party itself than future election results.

I'd happily vote for five JCP'ers if that was an option in this poll... but it's not, so I voted for the JCP and then the DA because I don't want the RPP to have seats.

Don't mistake the JCP not wanting the RPP and the RPP not wanting the JCP for the DA being widely loved. There's a reason you guys are the smallest major party.

We haven't been around very long and don't actively recruit? We represent a pragmatic center that was never meant to be very large?

I didn't say we are loved, but there is clearly a preference that the three DA candidates remain in the Senate, no matter the reason for it. You didn't have to choose five in the poll, so that most people did and stuck the three DA candidates in there should say something.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I will never understand why there are 5 seats and only two JCP candidates. How could progressives reconquer the Senate if we don't even have enough candidates to have a majority ??

Because you can't win five seats.

If you don't try, sure that you can't.

No, it has to do with how the preference math works. If we run too many candidates than we risk splitting votes to the point of not having any viable candidates.

The STV system is done precisely to avoid this threat by chosing the 5 candidates that are most representative of the electorate.

With three major parties, each party is going to at least get one of their candidates in. It's inevitable.

That means we could get 3 people elected if we try.

     True, though if you fail you could endanger Marokai or Fritz's re-election bid. I think they are about the two best people the JCP could have in the Senate at this juncture.

I wouldn't endanger anybody if the second preferences of people who voted for me are cast for Marokai or Fritz.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I'm just saying that the will of active members shows that the DA candidates are clearly most wanted in the Senate..

No. DA is advantaged on this sort of poll because it's a moderate party, and so it will get JCP's preferences after the JCP candidates and RPP preferences after RPP candidate. That doesn't mean DA is especially beloved or that its senators are especially good. They just benefit to the voting system.

[Purple State]

I'm just saying that the will of active members shows that the DA candidates are clearly most wanted in the Senate..

No. DA is advantaged on this sort of poll because it's a moderate party, and so it will get JCP's preferences after the JCP candidates and RPP preferences after RPP candidate. That doesn't mean DA is especially beloved or that its senators are especially good. They just benefit to the voting system.

I feel like I'm talking to myself here. No where did I say we were "beloved" or "especially good". I said that this poll indicates that the three DA candidates are, for whatever reason, wanted back in the Senate. It is actually the voting system that obstructs this, because first preferences are so important. But clearly each party prefers the DA candidates over those of the other party.

The DA candidates are wanted back in the Senate, that's what I'm saying. Feel free to spin the reason however you want, but the fact remains.

[Јas]

I feel like I'm talking to myself here. No where did I say we were "beloved" or "especially good". I said that this poll indicates that the three DA candidates are, for whatever reason, wanted back in the Senate. It is actually the voting system that obstructs this, because first preferences are so important. But clearly each party prefers the DA candidates over those of the other party.

The DA candidates are wanted back in the Senate, that's what I'm saying. Feel free to spin the reason however you want, but the fact remains.

The poll shows that the 3 DA Senators are generally the least objectionable candidates. The poll though was never going to reveal any useful information for the upcoming election. Nor is it the fault of the voting system that the DA won't retain their seats this time - the party just doesn't have the support.

Judging by the last election, we're looking at a quota of around 13 voters. Assuming the standard GOTV efforts and given the undying party loyalties involved, the RPP and JCP should easily get 2 quotas each, leaving only 1 other seat up for grabs.

[Purple State]

I feel like I'm talking to myself here. No where did I say we were "beloved" or "especially good". I said that this poll indicates that the three DA candidates are, for whatever reason, wanted back in the Senate. It is actually the voting system that obstructs this, because first preferences are so important. But clearly each party prefers the DA candidates over those of the other party.

The DA candidates are wanted back in the Senate, that's what I'm saying. Feel free to spin the reason however you want, but the fact remains.

The poll shows that the 3 DA Senators are generally the least objectionable candidates. The poll though was never going to reveal any useful information for the upcoming election. Nor is it the fault of the voting system that the DA won't retain their seats this time - the party just doesn't have the support.

Judging by the last election, we're looking at a quota of around 13 voters. Assuming the standard GOTV efforts and given the undying party loyalties involved, the RPP and JCP should easily get 2 quotas each, leaving only 1 other seat up for grabs.

Really, you guys need to start reading what I'm writing. I already prefaced my remarks by saying that this does not in any way reflect the voting outcome, as the system is based on first preferences and not on overall preferences. I accept that and I'm not looking to overhaul the system.

Whether you want to spin it as least objectionable, most liked, whatever, that doesn't change the fact that the three DA candidates are wanted in the Senate.

[Antonio the Sixth]

This voting system is one of the fairest existing. If we will have only one DA senator, it would reflect real DA support.

[Hash]

that its senators are especially good.

Then just dump our Senators since they're incompetents. It's simple.

[Antonio the Sixth]

that its senators are especially good.

Then just dump our Senators since they're incompetents. It's simple.

Please, don't start again to confuse theorical comments and personal attacks... I don't know DA senators and I have no idea whether they are good or not ( except for one of them ). Try to realize that you are becoming angry for nothing.

[Hash]

I don't know DA senators and I have no idea whether they are good or not

Then the best thing to do is to refrain from commenting until you have evidence or sufficient knowledge to criticize or praise them. 

[Antonio the Sixth]

I don't know DA senators and I have no idea whether they are good or not

Then the best thing to do is to refrain from commenting until you have evidence or sufficient knowledge to criticize or praise them. 

I was just doing a comment of the reason why DA seems to do so well in this poll. I can't understand why you always consider all unfavorable ( or considered so ) comment that has minimally to do with you as a terrible offense. Stop it before looking totally ridiculous.

[DownWithTheLeft]

SPC or Rowan are my top choices, PS or Franzl may get my first preference if our candidates have safely reached quotas and it will keep Afleitch out

[Rowan]

So out of the serious candidates I have the least number of votes. Well, I guess many people will be surprised on election day then.

[DownWithTheLeft]

So out of the serious candidates I have the least number of votes. Well, I guess many people will be surprised on election day then.

As much as people hate it, and I love it, there is like a 0% chance you don't win

[Hash]

I don't know DA senators and I have no idea whether they are good or not

Then the best thing to do is to refrain from commenting until you have evidence or sufficient knowledge to criticize or praise them. 

I was just doing a comment of the reason why DA seems to do so well in this poll. I can't understand why you always consider all unfavorable ( or considered so ) comment that has minimally to do with you as a terrible offense. Stop it before looking totally ridiculous.

Stop thinking I was offended, I wasn't. My above statement had nothing malicious, offensive or so forth nor did I take anything in this thread as a personal offense.

I just think that one should wait to make comments about people if they don't know much about said people. That's all. Simple, no?

[Antonio the Sixth]

I don't know DA senators and I have no idea whether they are good or not

Then the best thing to do is to refrain from commenting until you have evidence or sufficient knowledge to criticize or praise them. 

I was just doing a comment of the reason why DA seems to do so well in this poll. I can't understand why you always consider all unfavorable ( or considered so ) comment that has minimally to do with you as a terrible offense. Stop it before looking totally ridiculous.

Stop thinking I was offended, I wasn't. My above statement had nothing malicious, offensive or so forth nor did I take anything in this thread as a personal offense.

I just think that one should wait to make comments about people if they don't know much about said people. That's all. Simple, no?

Also, I guess I have to give you a little semantic lessson :

Here are two statements :
1 : A fact doesn't mean that DA senators are especially good.
2 : DA senators aren't especially good.

Contrary to what you seem thinking, these two statements are not equivalent, and the statement 1 could be true even if the DA senators are especially good.

Understood ?