Could Biden's support of affirmative action cost him Asian votes?
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« Reply #50 on: July 12, 2020, 09:34:11 PM »

I actually think so. At the high school I go to in NYC, there is a large Asian Student body. Many in the student body are angry because of how DeBlasio is trying to do some level of Affirmative Action for high school applications, by propping up African American and Hispanic students, who are greatly underrepresented in NYC's top high schools. Many Asian kids in NYC aren't particularly wealthy, but tiger parenting leads them to place a greater emphasis on education than other kids. Many get frustrated also about college admissions, and they feel like because they are Asian they are less likely to be accepted to a specific college, and then go out of their way to adjust their list solely beacuse of that. Many Asians are fiscally conservative in many respects, and often support Republican canidates for that reason.
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« Reply #51 on: July 12, 2020, 09:38:13 PM »

Democrats have been for affirmative action for some time, and Asian support has not weakened (compared to even as recently as 2000, it has trended heavily D). There's no reason to assume that Biden will do worse among Asian voters than Clinton on this particular issue, there's no reason to assume that this is even a decisive factor for a remotely significant number of asian voters.
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« Reply #52 on: July 12, 2020, 09:54:46 PM »
« Edited: July 13, 2020, 09:59:23 PM by laddicus finch »

If you think trump will gain with Asian voters, you are absolutely delusional. Period

Seriously, the justifications that Trump supporters (not sure if OP is, I mean generally) are using to find a silver lining is totally pathetic.

In a year of unprecedented anti-Asian racism (compared to recent years I mean), in a year when Trump mused about calling this disease "China virus" and "Kung flu", in a country where college-educated, suburban voters are swinging hard toward the Democratic Party (which Asians disproportionately are), the idea that affirmative action of all things, which hasn't even come up during this campaign, which isn't even a new policy being put forward...
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« Reply #53 on: July 12, 2020, 09:59:39 PM »

Word in the Asian community is that some people are voting for Trump because Biden supports BLM - yes, it's incredibly repulsive and racist and I want no part of it, but that's what I've been hearing.

As others have said, though, with Asians concentrated in safe states like California and New York, this shouldn't be a huge issue for Biden.

The GOP has always had a certain baseline level of support among Asian voters. Who these voters are has changed over time, but the underlying reasons probably haven't.


I actually think so. At the high school I go to in NYC, there is a large Asian Student body. Many in the student body are angry because of how DeBlasio is trying to do some level of Affirmative Action for high school applications, by propping up African American and Hispanic students, who are greatly underrepresented in NYC's top high schools. Many Asian kids in NYC aren't particularly wealthy, but tiger parenting leads them to place a greater emphasis on education than other kids. Many get frustrated also about college admissions, and they feel like because they are Asian they are less likely to be accepted to a specific college, and then go out of their way to adjust their list solely beacuse of that. Many Asians are fiscally conservative in many respects, and often support Republican canidates for that reason.

The situation in NYC is different because NYC Asians have a higher poverty rate than the other racial groups, and the immigrants are less educated on average. The narrative of sheltered, suburban immigrant professionals blaming "ghetto", "underserving" black and Latino applicants for their kids not getting into (generic Ivy-tier school) really doesn't apply here...
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« Reply #54 on: July 12, 2020, 10:04:30 PM »

No, Asians lost their businesses mostly their restaurant business due to virus, I dont see any reason why Asians would vote Trump
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« Reply #55 on: July 13, 2020, 09:57:37 AM »

If you think trump will gain with Asian voters, you are absolutely delusional. Period

Seriously, the justifications that Trump supporters (not sure if OP is, I mean generally) are using to find a silver lining is totally pathetic.

In a year of unprecedented anti-Asian racism (compared to years I mean), in a year when Trump mused about calling this disease "China virus" and "Kung flu", in a country where college-educated, suburban voters are swinging hard toward the Democratic Party (which Asians disproportionately are), the idea that affirmative action of all things, which hasn't even come up during this campaign, which isn't even a new policy being put forward...

When was the last time Affirmative Action was even brought up as a major national-level issue? I'm thinking probably sometime in the 90s?
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« Reply #56 on: July 13, 2020, 11:12:51 AM »

I actually think so. At the high school I go to in NYC, there is a large Asian Student body. Many in the student body are angry because of how DeBlasio is trying to do some level of Affirmative Action for high school applications, by propping up African American and Hispanic students, who are greatly underrepresented in NYC's top high schools. Many Asian kids in NYC aren't particularly wealthy, but tiger parenting leads them to place a greater emphasis on education than other kids. Many get frustrated also about college admissions, and they feel like because they are Asian they are less likely to be accepted to a specific college, and then go out of their way to adjust their list solely beacuse of that. Many Asians are fiscally conservative in many respects, and often support Republican canidates for that reason.

While the phenomenon you have observed is definitely accurate, a clear majority of Asian-Americans still supports affirmative action. It is mostly Chinese-Americans, especially recent Chinese immigrants who are an extremely vocal minority on this issue in both NYC and California, so don't conflate them with all of Asian America. They also tend to be fiscally conservative and be part of the 25% of Asian-Americans who were already supporting Republicans and Trump anyway.

You can read more at these two links if you are interested:

http://aapidata.com/blog/asianam-affirmative-action-surveys/

https://supchina.com/2017/06/14/split-heart-chinese-america/
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« Reply #57 on: August 22, 2020, 02:39:50 PM »


I was going off 2010 Census data, and I don't think FL has the next highest number of Asians after TX. But Wiki might not be up to date, so it's possible FL has more Asian Americans than HI or WA at this point.

Wow, FL's even further down the list than I thought. I also forgot about NJ...

https://aapidata.com/states/

CA- 4,082,535 eligible voters (6.7 mil total)
NY- 969,410 eligible voters (1.8 mil total)
TX- 795,600 eligible voters (1.6 mil total)
HI- 675,570 eligible voters (1.0 mil total)
NJ- 472,313 eligible voters (920k total)
WA- 470,752 eligible voters (870k total)
FL- 427,646 eligible voters (760k total)
IL- 425,607 eligible voters (800k total)
VA- 357,908 eligible voters (670k total)
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« Reply #58 on: August 22, 2020, 04:11:01 PM »

Word in the Asian community is that some people are voting for Trump because Biden supports BLM - yes, it's incredibly repulsive and racist and I want no part of it, but that's what I've been hearing.

As others have said, though, with Asians concentrated in safe states like California and New York, this shouldn't be a huge issue for Biden.

I’m Asian and I don’t support BLM or affirmative action, but I absolutely despise Trump. I can’t see myself supporting any Republican in this age, and their views on these issues won’t change that.
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« Reply #59 on: August 22, 2020, 05:24:36 PM »

Yes,  Mr."China-Virus,"  who has caused an increase in bigotry/hate attacks (verbal & physical) on many Asian-Americans (not just those with Chinese ancestry) in the US, will leave in huge swarms to support and vote for the Orange Buffoon.
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« Reply #60 on: August 22, 2020, 06:49:28 PM »

Yes,  Mr."China-Virus,"  who has caused an increase in bigotry/hate attacks (verbal & physical) on many Asian-Americans (not just those with Chinese ancestry) in the US, will leave in huge swarms to support and vote for the Orange Buffoon.

Not only that the community itself has suffered a significant loss of life in COVID-19.
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