The Atlas Asylum of absurd/ignorant posts IX

[Fuzzy Bear]

For things like this I always try to reserve judgement until the video is released...but this does not sound good to put it mildly. Even if he did reach for the taser that is not justification for deadly force.

OK there is a still frame in the article...and then this bit:

The body camera footage shows that Brooks did not point the Taser toward the officer, and that he let go of it while Hardin reached for his gun.

Not even remotely justifiable.

There is NEVER a justification for an officer to use deadly force. Not even when a suspect is trying to kill them. (Emphasis added)

[Fuzzy Bear]

Regarding whether to vote for TDAS04 vs. Jason Ravensborg.

Ravensborg.

I don't vote for people who consider me an HP.  

Ravensborg's situation is being misrepresented here, btw, and in a way that wouldn't be so if he were a Democrat.

Fuzzy's "contributions" to the thread go downhill from there.

Notice that in all these years on Atlas, he's never said the same about Ted Kennedy.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Regarding whether to vote for TDAS04 vs. Jason Ravensborg.

Ravensborg.

I don't vote for people who consider me an HP.  

Ravensborg's situation is being misrepresented here, btw, and in a way that wouldn't be so if he were a Democrat.

Fuzzy's "contributions" to the thread go downhill from there.

Notice that in all these years on Atlas, he's never said the same about Ted Kennedy.

Why would I bother mentioning Chappaquiddick when Kennedy's last election campaign was 2 years before I joined Atlas and he died only about a year after I joined? How is that remotely the same level of comparison to what Jason Raven's board did only several months ago? LOL LOL!

I know it's a cliche, but it's so apt in this case.

Says the guy who started posting into the thread here.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Wait, priests were making young boys perform push-ups in front of them? That's, uh, a little sketchy

This doesn't belong here. That is weird. JFC.

Yes it is a weird post but it's also absurdly ignorant.

Still defending a public school driving a bunch of kids to have the boys do push-ups in front of priests and preaching to girls how rewarding it is to forgive one's rapists I see. Completely on ridiculous point for you.

There are many victims of sexual trauma that would achieve inner peace if they could, indeed, forgive those that victimized them.  That does not mean restoring that person to a previous relationship (if the person was known to the victim) and it doesn't mean not seeking criminal penalties or civil damages from them.  But it DOES mean making the decision to allow the system to take its course and allow the Courts to judge a person (for this life) and God to judge him (for eternity). 

There is a difference between "forgiveness" and "restoration".

[Fuzzy Bear]

The fact is that the 2020 election didn't HAVE to be conducted differently.  That was a choice, and it was a choice made, by and large, by individuals who shared the goal of ousting Trump from the White House by any means necessary.

No one likes losing, but when people act in ways that give the appearance of rigging the system for the other party, they are right to be upset to question that.  

And, no, the conduct of our 2020 election did not adhere to international standards.  I've posted that before.  When one side is silenced on social media, and while the rules of voting are changed to increase the possibility of votes that are merely harvested and counted and not truly cast (e. g. seniors in Wisconsin nursing homes) and those mail-in votes are subject to less rigid standards of verification as legitimate ballots, one is foolish to NOT question the fairness of the election.

"Our Democracy" (although that term really means "Our Oligarchy" when most pols quote it these days) can easily stand questions of the legitimacy of an election.  "Our Democracy" does not (and never has) required the naked Emperor to be treated as clothed.  But there is a presumption that the Emperor is clothed, and that presumption was afforded to every President EXCEPT Donald Trump.  THAT is the real threat to democracy; the treating as illegitimate a President who was elected against the will of collective elites as Trump was in 2016.  This does not justify the demonstration inside the Capitol on January 6, 2021, but it also does not justify lying about that demonstration by calling it a "violent insurrection", "coup attempt", etc.  And the invasions of the privacy of ordinary citizens and the violations of the Constitutional Rights of J6 defendants are bigger threats to basic Freedoms and Liberties (the stuff that makes meaningful elections possible) than Trump being a sore loser or Tweeting out that someone is a Poo Poo Head.

You use such big words as "The Big Lie" (implying, of course, that ordinary Americans who question the election's validity to this day are somehow Nazis) and "Conspiracy Theories" (implying that people are cranks for believing that something is not on the up and up when the result doesn't go their way).

You are a liar and a manipulator of the worst kind.  You are perhaps the most morally bankrupt person on this entire forum.  Perhaps you could quote the whole post, and not just the part you think you can sell:

First off, you're not a Republican any more than Larry McDonald was a Democrat.  (McDonald was a Georgia Congressman and a nominal Democrat who was a member of the John Birch Society.)  

Second, your "Big Lie" line is tiresome.  Millions of Americans that are educated, work and pay taxes (you're in the process of one and not there for there yet for the other two) don't believe that the 2020 election was fairly administered, and they don't believe that irregularities and unconstitutional changes to voting procedures were given fair hearings in Court.  

Millions of Americans are well aware of the opposition to Trump by the "Intelligence Community".  And they are well aware of what the Intelligence Community does.  What DO they do?  In other countries, they manipulate public opinion by controlling their media, they create events to create narratives that can be used to manipulate elections and drive disfavored leaders from power.  And they do this covertly.  Lyman Kilpatrick, a former CIA Inspector General, described the perfect Covert Operation as one that remains undiscovered "from inception to eternity".  Allen Dulles once gave a lecture about the mechanics of covert operations and spoke about minor mishaps that resulted in temporary loss of cover.  Dulles stated that how damaging these slips could be depended on "the sophistication of the observer" and their ability to sense of what they were observing being something out of place.

An exaggerated response to COVID-19 designed to provide justification for massive changes in how America actually votes.  Unprecedented NGO involvement in the mechanics of elections (particularly Mark Zuckerberg and Facebook).  The implementation of widespread ballot harvesting.  These are the methods.  The deliberate relaxing of identification.  Denying poll watchers to watch recounts (Detroit). The recounting restarting in Atlanta when the GOP observers were gone.  The driver who transported Pennsylvania ballots to Lancaster, PA from LONG ISLAND.  The abnormal number of ballots ran that ONLY selected the Presidential race.  These things don't happen in every Presidential election, but they happened in 2020.  Then, to top it off, criticism of COVID-19 measures are effectively censored in ways far more typical of the Soviet Union (or Communist China) than today's American government.

People are not cranks for questioning this.  They knew 2020 was different.  They saw differences in the way things were ran and it wasn't Trump implementing the changes.  And, just like COVID-19, you're not allowed to question this.  

If you want to believe that the 2020 election was on the level, that's your choice.  Millions of Americans don't and it's not just because they're "Trump Cultists".  They know what they've observed and they have every right to conclude what is and isn't credible.  And when they've been systematically insulted, bullied, and censored, you'll forgive them when the response to them is to not believe the people telling them to shut up because everything's on the up and up.  I don't lose sleep over the 2020 election, but I'm not going to say it was fairly conducted and fairly administered, and millions of Americans agree with me.  Millions of Americans that have contributed far more to society than you have to date.

It's not about how many millions of people agree with you, or what they've contributed. You can have your own opinions, but not your own facts, as Pence and Harris et. al. said. Who *should* have won in 2020? If you say Trump, that's an opinion I can still respect even if I vehemently disagree. Who *did* win 2020? Biden. And that's a fact, that's all there is to it.

I'm not going to bother wasting my time with too many specific nitpicks of this post when you've doubtless received dozens in the past, and are adamant in your opinion, but regarding the "abnormal number of ballots" point - that's called overvoting/undervoting. People have a right to do this - they have the right to vote for whichever offices they want. They only want to vote in the presidential race? That's absolutely, 100% their choice. I don't know how you think this is some epic own or gotcha that there was a higher-than-usual number of presidential overvotes. So WHAT? It doesn't "InDiCAtE fRaUd" and I'm genuinely not sure how you think that it does. And regarding "2020 was different" - OF COURSE it was different! We had a global pandemic that took millions of lives (many of them American). So yes, it had to be conducted differently. There was mail-in voting. I do agree that some of the processes could be a little bit confusing or convoluted, but if you take the time to research rather than taking whatever out-of-context, half-baked sound-bite you're fed, you'll see that each of your little "nuggets of evidence" has a logical explanation (and no, it's not fraud). Nobody conspired to make Joe Biden president except for the American voters. Scores of Republicans (CONSERVATIVE Republicans who had previously never had their GOP credentials questioned - not centrists or even moderates or me when I considered myself a Republican - actually involved in election administration and oversight - said as much, said that although they wished the result was different and Trump had won, it wasn't within their power to unilaterally change it. I'll remind you it was DONALD TRUMP who asked Brad Raffensperger to "find him", to give him, the number of votes he needed to win GA. It was HE who wanted Raffensperger to "find" extra ballots at the last minute so that Trump could subvert the will of the voters of Georgia. It was Donald Trump and his Republicans who had said, who have said, that if they lose, that means the result is fraudulent. That's simply not how things work in a democracy, Fuzzy. You win some, you lose some. And you need to accept that. You need to not attack democracy like a sore loser when you lose - insist that you won and spread conspiracy theories and incite insurrection.

(Also, regarding the RINO part of your post - you're absolutely, 100% correct. The username is an outdated relic, and you're better off considering me as an Independent or even a de facto Democrat. I'm not a member of this Republican Party by any means whatsoever, make no mistake about it).

EDIT: Also, I'd appreciate you addressing the other points in my post (the ones on BLM and moderation bias, for instance).

The fact is that the 2020 election didn't HAVE to be conducted differently.  That was a choice, and it was a choice made, by and large, by individuals who shared the goal of ousting Trump from the White House by any means necessary.

No one likes losing, but when people act in ways that give the appearance of rigging the system for the other party, they are right to be upset to question that.  

We HAVE had stolen elections in our lifetime at all levels.  The 1960 Presidential election was likely stolen in Texas and Illinois (although it's likely that both sides were stealing in Illinois in 1960, but Daley was better at it).  The 2000 Presidential election was quite possibly stolen in Florida; we'll never really know, but it should raise issues when the Governor of Florida calls the Secretary of State in Florida in the middle of the count.  And this is true at other levels as well.  Stacey Abrams today still insists she is the rightful Governor of Georgia.  Yet Stacy Abrams is never called an enemy of democracy.

And, no, the conduct of our 2020 election did not adhere to international standards.  I've posted that before.  When one side is silenced on social media, and while the rules of voting are changed to increase the possibility of votes that are merely harvested and counted and not truly cast (e. g. seniors in Wisconsin nursing homes) and those mail-in votes are subject to less rigid standards of verification as legitimate ballots, one is foolish to NOT question the fairness of the election.

"Our Democracy" (although that term really means "Our Oligarchy" when most pols quote it these days) can easily stand questions of the legitimacy of an election.  "Our Democracy" does not (and never has) required the naked Emperor to be treated as clothed.  But there is a presumption that the Emperor is clothed, and that presumption was afforded to every President EXCEPT Donald Trump.  THAT is the real threat to democracy; the treating as illegitimate a President who was elected against the will of collective elites as Trump was in 2016.  This does not justify the demonstration inside the Capitol on January 6, 2021, but it also does not justify lying about that demonstration by calling it a "violent insurrection", "coup attempt", etc.  And the invasions of the privacy of ordinary citizens and the violations of the Constitutional Rights of J6 defendants are bigger threats to basic Freedoms and Liberties (the stuff that makes meaningful elections possible) than Trump being a sore loser or Tweeting out that someone is a Poo Poo Head.

You use such big words as "The Big Lie" (implying, of course, that ordinary Americans who question the election's validity to this day are somehow Nazis) and "Conspiracy Theories" (implying that people are cranks for believing that something is not on the up and up when the result doesn't go their way).  Elites in our society with the power to effect illicit changes of all kinds covertly rely on that belief and expect the ordinary citizen to not be a critical thinker.  To be sure, some conspiracy theories are crackpot nonsense.  But it was not crackpot nonsense to believe that Alger Hiss was a Communist Spy who had positioned himself to be a top adviser to FDR and Truman, who was positioning himself in the late 1940s to be close to John Foster Dulles in an anticipation of partisan change in America.  Millions of Democrats would not believe this; they believed that Hiss was set up.  It was only after the fall of the Soviet Union that files came to light confirming that Hiss was, indeed, a Soviet spy who was committing espionage at the highest levels.  The protection of Hiss was done, of course, to protect the legacy of FDR, which includes his negotiations at the Tehran and Yalta conferences, much of which were controversial, and people were lambasted as "conspiracy theorists" back then, but the passage of time proved them wrong.

People need to think for themselves today, and they need to question the veracity of anything they hear on the media.

I highlighted the part you left out.  I wonder how many here find that "ignorant".

[Fuzzy Bear]

Wait, priests were making young boys perform push-ups in front of them? That's, uh, a little sketchy

This doesn't belong here. That is weird. JFC.

Yes it is a weird post but it's also absurdly ignorant.

Still defending a public school driving a bunch of kids to have the boys do push-ups in front of priests and preaching to girls how rewarding it is to forgive one's rapists I see. Completely on ridiculous point for you.

There are many victims of sexual trauma that would achieve inner peace if they could, indeed, forgive those that victimized them.  That does not mean restoring that person to a previous relationship (if the person was known to the victim) and it doesn't mean not seeking criminal penalties or civil damages from them.  But it DOES mean making the decision to allow the system to take its course and allow the Courts to judge a person (for this life) and God to judge him (for eternity). 

There is a difference between "forgiveness" and "restoration".

If God punishes bad people, then he's got a pretty poor track record so far this century.

Don't tell me that.  Tell Him that. 

[Fuzzy Bear]

Regardless of what DS "actually meant" with those words, to me it's pretty clear that it's a bigoted comment and should be sanctioned just like any similar post would be.

But you're fine with Ferguson97 'so unhinged attack on me and using my family to do it.   (Not to mention giving utterly false information about it.)  That says a lot about you.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Regardless of what DS "actually meant" with those words, to me it's pretty clear that it's a bigoted comment and should be sanctioned just like any similar post would be.

But you're fine with Ferguson97 'so unhinged attack on me and using my family to do it.   (Not to mention giving utterly false information about it.)  That says a lot about you.

Obviously,  you can't apply standards of conduct equally.   We'll ride with that.  I guarantee, however, that you'd be not coping and coming unhinged,  demanding permabans if you were attacked in the same manner. To be specific,  you being OK with a poster personally attacking me with an unusual degree of viciousness AND misstatements a situation about my immediate family shows that you are devoid of basic fairness.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Well I will say it was highly misleading for Ferguson to make his little, uh, edit to NC Conservative's post.

DabbingSanta was the one who made the edit. Ferguson posted it unedited.

Oh God. Well, DS really is a completely loser, hateful POS who, in an ordinary world, would be permabanned. And it's not as if NC Conservative isn't a bigot, either (I recall his infamous exchange with you - that's why I had something of a 'confirmation bias' and why it was very easy for me to believe he'd say something like he supports "banning" transgenders).

I generally hold my fire toward our younger posters, but you really need to stop setting yourself up as some kind of moral arbiter.  It really is getting tiresome.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Well I will say it was highly misleading for Ferguson to make his little, uh, edit to NC Conservative's post.

DabbingSanta was the one who made the edit. Ferguson posted it unedited.

Oh God. Well, DS really is a completely loser, hateful POS who, in an ordinary world, would be permabanned. And it's not as if NC Conservative isn't a bigot, either (I recall his infamous exchange with you - that's why I had something of a 'confirmation bias' and why it was very easy for me to believe he'd say something like he supports "banning" transgenders).

I generally hold my fire toward our younger posters, but you really need to stop setting yourself up as some kind of moral arbiter.  It really is getting tiresome.

CR doing that isn't half as obnoxious as you bringing up BLM all the time(among other things).

What I don't do is make sweeping moral judgments about individual posters, aside from how they act toward other posters here.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Ferguson says 2K for reparations does he knows how much Per Capita Native American gets that's a joke it should be no more or no less than 30 K per person like Native Americans as cash payments not a 1 M dollars or 2K dollars it's called reparations not stimulus check

That’s not what I said. Learn to read.

A personal attack from one of the worst posters here on our a True and Wise Forum Institution surely belongs here.

[Fuzzy Bear]

They know better but are still Republicans, which is even worse. Being a Republican is immoral. Being a right winger or conservative is not immoral, but identifying as a member of that political party specifically in 2023 is extremely morally dubious, at this point.

They're usually even bigger sickos than non-college Republicans. Blood-suckers who hate the poor with a passion.

We apparently need to make a new thread for you entitled " truths too close to home for me to feel comfortable with".

This is Badger, sub silentio, calling for Atlas to be an Echo Chamber.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Too bad we can't deport the native-born meth fiends first. Maybe we could giver citizenship to some illegal aliens on condition that they take the meth fiends' kids.

That may actually not be that bad of an idea.

When I worked at the Public Defender's Office in a major Ohio City about 15 years ago, part of my job was to about once a week along with two others in my office handle all the jail Arrangements that came in the night before. Literally everything from people picked up on a minor traffic warrant to death penalty cases whom I would represent for anywhere from 30 to 90 seconds (depending on how quick the judge was going) and make their initial Bond argument. In all misdemeanor cases I handled that weren't resolved that morning ( ranging from a decent portion to absolutely none depending on which judge was presiding), I would continue on as lawyer for their case in the coming weeks.

I regularly dealt with trash, both black and white, whose answers about prior employment or education I would quickly Garner from them too try to finagle a lower bond from the judge were usually frustrating to dispiriting. Oh I don't know, I used to work for McDonalds. How long ago? I don't know maybe a couple months I'll go. How long? I don't know, a few weeks then they fired me. Hey, make sure to tell the judge I want a recog Bond, okay?

The Hispanic defendants-- almost all illegals , not counting the  occasional  white guy  whose last name was Lopez or the like , were a Stark exception. They were a small percentage, though they've grown in the region since then, but without exception every single one of them had at least one, frequently two jobs, either in construction, landscaping, and / or restaurant work. They verified it with the names of their employers and phone numbers which whenever I followed up on inevitably were the truth. They're sole crimes - and I will admit this is before gangs moved into the region which they definitely have now - - were limited almost entirely to driving without a license for obvious reasons, and the occasional OVI. Not much difference from the whites and blacks I represented, perhaps with a slight Lee higher proportion due to some cultural differences about the acceptability of drinking and driving. The one guy whom I remember was caught for theft. He didn't even rip off a business of all the whites who were scared of Mexican crime, but actually the local Mexican grocery store. I'm not a fan of vigilante justice, but I won't lie I found it satisfying to read about how the store employees gave him a bit, though not excessive in my view, of street Justice before turning over the cops. Viva El Barrio!

 I said it once, I said it a hundred times, and I'll say it again. I would gladly exchange damn near every Hispanic defendant I represented during those years and instead choose to deport a solid majority of the native-born black and white trash I like whom I represented. Those f*** tards were never going to contribute anything to this country or their society Beyond increased prison bills and illegitimate uncared for kids who would grow up sadly just like them.

And I will add Ann Coulter to that trade list, gladly.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Too bad we can't deport the native-born meth fiends first. Maybe we could giver citizenship to some illegal aliens on condition that they take the meth fiends' kids.

That may actually not be that bad of an idea.

When I worked at the Public Defender's Office in a major Ohio City about 15 years ago, part of my job was to about once a week along with two others in my office handle all the jail Arrangements that came in the night before. Literally everything from people picked up on a minor traffic warrant to death penalty cases whom I would represent for anywhere from 30 to 90 seconds (depending on how quick the judge was going) and make their initial Bond argument. In all misdemeanor cases I handled that weren't resolved that morning ( ranging from a decent portion to absolutely none depending on which judge was presiding), I would continue on as lawyer for their case in the coming weeks.

I regularly dealt with trash, both black and white, whose answers about prior employment or education I would quickly Garner from them too try to finagle a lower bond from the judge were usually frustrating to dispiriting. Oh I don't know, I used to work for McDonalds. How long ago? I don't know maybe a couple months I'll go. How long? I don't know, a few weeks then they fired me. Hey, make sure to tell the judge I want a recog Bond, okay?

The Hispanic defendants-- almost all illegals , not counting the  occasional  white guy  whose last name was Lopez or the like , were a Stark exception. They were a small percentage, though they've grown in the region since then, but without exception every single one of them had at least one, frequently two jobs, either in construction, landscaping, and / or restaurant work. They verified it with the names of their employers and phone numbers which whenever I followed up on inevitably were the truth. They're sole crimes - and I will admit this is before gangs moved into the region which they definitely have now - - were limited almost entirely to driving without a license for obvious reasons, and the occasional OVI. Not much difference from the whites and blacks I represented, perhaps with a slight Lee higher proportion due to some cultural differences about the acceptability of drinking and driving. The one guy whom I remember was caught for theft. He didn't even rip off a business of all the whites who were scared of Mexican crime, but actually the local Mexican grocery store. I'm not a fan of vigilante justice, but I won't lie I found it satisfying to read about how the store employees gave him a bit, though not excessive in my view, of street Justice before turning over the cops. Viva El Barrio!

 I said it once, I said it a hundred times, and I'll say it again. I would gladly exchange damn near every Hispanic defendant I represented during those years and instead choose to deport a solid majority of the native-born black and white trash I like whom I represented. Those f*** tards were never going to contribute anything to this country or their society Beyond increased prison bills and illegitimate uncared for kids who would grow up sadly just like them.

And I will add Ann Coulter to that trade list, gladly.

You seem to be confused.  The good posts thread is that way: https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=261105.1000]You seem to be confused.  The good posts thread is that way: https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=261105.1000

Somehow, if I were a client of a lawyer who viewed me as some form of White Trash, I would forever be wondering after the fact if what services I received constituted "effective counsel".

[Fuzzy Bear]

Too bad we can't deport the native-born meth fiends first. Maybe we could giver citizenship to some illegal aliens on condition that they take the meth fiends' kids.

That may actually not be that bad of an idea.

When I worked at the Public Defender's Office in a major Ohio City about 15 years ago, part of my job was to about once a week along with two others in my office handle all the jail Arrangements that came in the night before. Literally everything from people picked up on a minor traffic warrant to death penalty cases whom I would represent for anywhere from 30 to 90 seconds (depending on how quick the judge was going) and make their initial Bond argument. In all misdemeanor cases I handled that weren't resolved that morning ( ranging from a decent portion to absolutely none depending on which judge was presiding), I would continue on as lawyer for their case in the coming weeks.

I regularly dealt with trash, both black and white, whose answers about prior employment or education I would quickly Garner from them too try to finagle a lower bond from the judge were usually frustrating to dispiriting. Oh I don't know, I used to work for McDonalds. How long ago? I don't know maybe a couple months I'll go. How long? I don't know, a few weeks then they fired me. Hey, make sure to tell the judge I want a recog Bond, okay?

The Hispanic defendants-- almost all illegals , not counting the  occasional  white guy  whose last name was Lopez or the like , were a Stark exception. They were a small percentage, though they've grown in the region since then, but without exception every single one of them had at least one, frequently two jobs, either in construction, landscaping, and / or restaurant work. They verified it with the names of their employers and phone numbers which whenever I followed up on inevitably were the truth. They're sole crimes - and I will admit this is before gangs moved into the region which they definitely have now - - were limited almost entirely to driving without a license for obvious reasons, and the occasional OVI. Not much difference from the whites and blacks I represented, perhaps with a slight Lee higher proportion due to some cultural differences about the acceptability of drinking and driving. The one guy whom I remember was caught for theft. He didn't even rip off a business of all the whites who were scared of Mexican crime, but actually the local Mexican grocery store. I'm not a fan of vigilante justice, but I won't lie I found it satisfying to read about how the store employees gave him a bit, though not excessive in my view, of street Justice before turning over the cops. Viva El Barrio!

 I said it once, I said it a hundred times, and I'll say it again. I would gladly exchange damn near every Hispanic defendant I represented during those years and instead choose to deport a solid majority of the native-born black and white trash I like whom I represented. Those f*** tards were never going to contribute anything to this country or their society Beyond increased prison bills and illegitimate uncared for kids who would grow up sadly just like them.

And I will add Ann Coulter to that trade list, gladly.

You seem to be confused.  The good posts thread is that way: https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=261105.1000]You seem to be confused.  The good posts thread is that way: https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=261105.1000

Somehow, if I were a client of a lawyer who viewed me as some form of White Trash, I would forever be wondering after the fact if what services I received constituted "effective counsel".

Lolol! Oh you poor silly boomer. First off, how pathetic is it that you are trolling around old posts to try to necro bump a 6-year-old post for this thread?/i] LOL!

Reread carefully old man. Yes, a lot of my clients were indeed trash. And others were fundamentally good human beings who got themselves into a bad Jam, or were even wrongfully charged. Any defense attorney that has to convince themselves their clients are universally Pinnacles of moral Paragons or else they can't fight like a wounded tiger for them it's going to last about a month in the profession. Acknowledging your clients fundamental weaknesses as a person is completely divorced from giving them the best defense possible. You might think that that somehow is incompatible with giving someone the best defense possible, but then again you tend to believe in a LOT of REALLY stupid and groundless theories, conspiracy otherwise. So just another day ending in why in fuzzy bears myopic view of the world.

The saddest thing about your post is one can't tell if it was the referral of some clients being trash, black and white, but what really stuck to you was the implication some of my Caucasian clients were trash. So was it the implication of white trash or my statement that Hispanic immigrants who broke minor laws would make much better citizens? Either way it's just an ugly ugly bigoted look.

Okay boomer. Go sit in the corner and write up some multi-paragraph wall of text whining about the world. Because your lame attempt at trying to claim some moral High Ground as a guise for trying - emphasis trying, badly - to just dunk on me because I regularly point out what foolishness you spew, just completely failed. Lol!

You're a hateful individual yourself, and your hate is based on who your ally's are.

You're not one to virtue signal.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Too bad we can't deport the native-born meth fiends first. Maybe we could giver citizenship to some illegal aliens on condition that they take the meth fiends' kids.

That may actually not be that bad of an idea.

When I worked at the Public Defender's Office in a major Ohio City about 15 years ago, part of my job was to about once a week along with two others in my office handle all the jail Arrangements that came in the night before. Literally everything from people picked up on a minor traffic warrant to death penalty cases whom I would represent for anywhere from 30 to 90 seconds (depending on how quick the judge was going) and make their initial Bond argument. In all misdemeanor cases I handled that weren't resolved that morning ( ranging from a decent portion to absolutely none depending on which judge was presiding), I would continue on as lawyer for their case in the coming weeks.

I regularly dealt with trash, both black and white, whose answers about prior employment or education I would quickly Garner from them too try to finagle a lower bond from the judge were usually frustrating to dispiriting. Oh I don't know, I used to work for McDonalds. How long ago? I don't know maybe a couple months I'll go. How long? I don't know, a few weeks then they fired me. Hey, make sure to tell the judge I want a recog Bond, okay?

The Hispanic defendants-- almost all illegals , not counting the  occasional  white guy  whose last name was Lopez or the like , were a Stark exception. They were a small percentage, though they've grown in the region since then, but without exception every single one of them had at least one, frequently two jobs, either in construction, landscaping, and / or restaurant work. They verified it with the names of their employers and phone numbers which whenever I followed up on inevitably were the truth. They're sole crimes - and I will admit this is before gangs moved into the region which they definitely have now - - were limited almost entirely to driving without a license for obvious reasons, and the occasional OVI. Not much difference from the whites and blacks I represented, perhaps with a slight Lee higher proportion due to some cultural differences about the acceptability of drinking and driving. The one guy whom I remember was caught for theft. He didn't even rip off a business of all the whites who were scared of Mexican crime, but actually the local Mexican grocery store. I'm not a fan of vigilante justice, but I won't lie I found it satisfying to read about how the store employees gave him a bit, though not excessive in my view, of street Justice before turning over the cops. Viva El Barrio!

 I said it once, I said it a hundred times, and I'll say it again. I would gladly exchange damn near every Hispanic defendant I represented during those years and instead choose to deport a solid majority of the native-born black and white trash I like whom I represented. Those f*** tards were never going to contribute anything to this country or their society Beyond increased prison bills and illegitimate uncared for kids who would grow up sadly just like them.

And I will add Ann Coulter to that trade list, gladly.

You seem to be confused.  The good posts thread is that way: https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=261105.1000]You seem to be confused.  The good posts thread is that way: https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=261105.1000

Somehow, if I were a client of a lawyer who viewed me as some form of White Trash, I would forever be wondering after the fact if what services I received constituted "effective counsel".

Lolol! Oh you poor silly boomer. First off, how pathetic is it that you are trolling around old posts to try to necro bump a 6-year-old post for this thread?/i] LOL!

Reread carefully old man. Yes, a lot of my clients were indeed trash. And others were fundamentally good human beings who got themselves into a bad Jam, or were even wrongfully charged. Any defense attorney that has to convince themselves their clients are universally Pinnacles of moral Paragons or else they can't fight like a wounded tiger for them it's going to last about a month in the profession. Acknowledging your clients fundamental weaknesses as a person is completely divorced from giving them the best defense possible. You might think that that somehow is incompatible with giving someone the best defense possible, but then again you tend to believe in a LOT of REALLY stupid and groundless theories, conspiracy otherwise. So just another day ending in why in fuzzy bears myopic view of the world.

The saddest thing about your post is one can't tell if it was the referral of some clients being trash, black and white, but what really stuck to you was the implication some of my Caucasian clients were trash. So was it the implication of white trash or my statement that Hispanic immigrants who broke minor laws would make much better citizens? Either way it's just an ugly ugly bigoted look.

Okay boomer. Go sit in the corner and write up some multi-paragraph wall of text whining about the world. Because your lame attempt at trying to claim some moral High Ground as a guise for trying - emphasis trying, badly - to just dunk on me because I regularly point out what foolishness you spew, just completely failed. Lol!

You're a hateful individual yourself, and your hate is based on who your ally's are.

You're not one to virtue signal.

No dude. I just don't suffer fools and you, quite coincidentally I'm sure, always seem to be near the front of the line.

You set records for being condescending.  

[Fuzzy Bear]

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White women do not experience any oppression in our society today simply because they are women.

This is just… objectively false. I wasn’t aware that the Dobbs decision had a loophole that said white women can still get abortions.

Imagine thinking it being harder to kill your baby in some places is oppression.

Texas woman almost dies because she couldn’t get an abortion

Florida Woman Denied Abortion Miscarried in Hair Salon Bathroom, Lost Half Her Blood

Her miscarriage left her bleeding profusely. An Ohio ER sent her home to wait.

...and so on...

Imagine thinking that denying abortions in those cases isn't oppression.

Except your anger is clearly misplaced. It's the hospitals and medical professionals that failed them in those cases, not the laws y'all are so mad about.

Oh no, honey child. Your moral cowardice is no excuse here. These hospitals and medical professionals so-called failed these women only because they are now afraid to touch abortion with a 20-foot Pole explicitly because the laws that you and yours have put into place making it an issue of those places being shut down and doctors risking prison if they do.

Show an ounce of backbone at least and acknowledge that these incidents are a direct consequence of fighting to being abortion like you've done for years. At least have the courage to say well gee that's bad but it serves a greater good rather than so pathetically wimping out.

It's not "wimping out" to point out that the healthcare professionals involved in those scenarios are more willing to make a political statement than do their jobs.

There is no law that prevents a woman who miscarries from receiving treatment.

What a lying liar you are to hand pick that one in three headline and ignore the fact that it was directly related to abortion law restrictions. As the article noted,

"Holeyman, Zielke's husband, says hospital staff seemed "hesitant." The two of them wondered at the ER if that was because of Ohio's new six-week abortion ban. "I wish someone had come out and said, 'Hey, this is a state law, this is what we're afraid of,' and was a little more frank," he says. Instead he says, paraphrasing what he heard: "It was, 'Well, we don't know if this [pregnancy] is viable, this could still be viable. This is the information you got in D.C., but we need to confirm it."

Not enough of you to crawl out of your shell and admit this is part of your and your ilks doing? Let's proceed shall we?

The situation: Christina Zielke was discharged from an ER in Ohio without treatment for her miscarriage even though she'd been bleeding profusely for hours.

The state law: When Zielke was in Ohio in early September, the state had a law known as a "heartbeat bill" in effect, which bans abortion after about six weeks of pregnancy. The law was passed in 2019, and went into effect the same day the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade on June 24. In mid-September, a judge in Hamilton County blocked the law. Ohio's Republican attorney general has begun the appeals process, and the case is ultimately expected to go to the state supreme court.

Health care providers who violate the law face fifth-degree felony charges, up to a year in prison, loss of their medical license, and fines up to $20,000.

What's at stake: Ohio's abortion restriction doesn't explicitly restrict the treatment of miscarriages or emergency care, but it can have that effect anyway.

Health care providers use the same clinical tools to manage a miscarriage as they do to perform abortions – the medications and surgical options are identical. That can mean when someone seeks care during a miscarriage, a pharmacist or doctor who suspects a patient is seeking an abortion might deny or delay providing treatment, fearing prosecution.

Not enough for you to cry uncle and say okay we lied to this woman suffering but it's for a greater good because the cruelty is the point? Let's carry on further!

"We're in a moment of tremendous fear, and we're working with hospitals and doctors who are not fans of liability," she says. That has led to situations where "physicians or staff say, 'Only if I think I'm 1,000% safe will I do necessary, potentially life-saving medical care.'"

Just fess up. Show a quarter ounce of guts and say. Yes, this is exactly what me and other pro-life radicals- oh sorry, "activists"-- aimed for. Do not even attempt to disassemble that this is a direct straight line result of strict hardcore abortion restrictions being put into place. Again, very very telling that you only chose the one headline about a miscarriage when in fact it was directly related to abortion restriction loss, and you completely utterly hit under the your bed regarding the two other explicitly abortion related headlines.

At least have the courage of us some other pro-life activists and say well it's tragic but it's necessary to save fertilized zygotes--whoops! I of course mean "babies". If not, again, cowardice at it's most pathetic display.

I'm in Ohio today with my granddaughters that were allowed to be born.  Just sayin'.

[Fuzzy Bear]

They are a disease, and we cannot risk them infecting the public.

I hope you recognize the irony in talking about people this way in the context of nazism.

Imagine a world where Ferguson97 got to decide who was and wasn't a "Nazi".

[Fuzzy Bear]

If these promotions are so "mission-critical", Biden needs to make the compromise now and drop the policy of funding travel for abortion.  If it's THAT important, then, by all means, give up a fringe policy for the "mission-critical" promotions.

I suspect these promotions are far from urgent; they are, more likely, rewards for those the military wishes to reward.  The military is not beyond politics.  The thread title is more Excessive Hyperbole from Runeghost, who is good for little more than Excessive Hyperbole.

Way to once again blame Democrats for Republican terrorism and hostage-taking.

Honestly this kind of thing is just absolutely pathetic. Sounds like the Hamas and Russian sympathizers actually, "Just give in to their demands! It's actually YOUR FAULT for everything bad that happens if you don't!"

Despicable.

[Fuzzy Bear]

I have a number of Canadian Christian friends who are older and the persecution of Christians in Canada is real.  (Canada does not have the sort of Free Speech protections the United States has.)  And I really do believe (or, at a minimum, want to believe) that he is Fidel Castro's bastard son (which is not as preposterous an idea as it sounds, but is, to be sure, unproven).  

https://www.foxnews.com/world/canadian-pastor-arrested-second-time-protesting-childrens-drag-queen-events-sick-twisted-perversion

If you read this article it will verify that Canada does not have Religious Freedom, not in the sense that America does, nor does it have Free Speech in the sense that America does.

What is "intimidation"?  In this case, it's Public Prayer in a public place; there's no blocking of ingress and egress toward the event.  That's way better than BLM's and Antifa's track record in protests that are celebrated in these pages. 

It's not that Canadian Christians do not endure persecution; it's that you're perfectly OK with it.  And, perhaps. so are those that recommended the above post.  I hear right from the source IRL as to the plight of Canadian Christians.  It's not China, but it's not Freedom, and the Canadian Government (which currently hates Christianity as much as Castro's Cuba does) would like to rewrite the Gospel to its liking if they could.  "Hate Speech" is merely a term used to silence religious preaching and teaching.  No matter.  Those who love God obey His Commands, and he commanded us;  "Go ye, therefore, into all the World and preach this Gospel to every creature."   God Bless those brave Canadian Pastors, and God Bind the corrupt Canadian government from harming them.

[Fuzzy Bear]

I have a number of Canadian Christian friends who are older and the persecution of Christians in Canada is real.  (Canada does not have the sort of Free Speech protections the United States has.)  And I really do believe (or, at a minimum, want to believe) that he is Fidel Castro's bastard son (which is not as preposterous an idea as it sounds, but is, to be sure, unproven).  

https://www.foxnews.com/world/canadian-pastor-arrested-second-time-protesting-childrens-drag-queen-events-sick-twisted-perversion

If you read this article it will verify that Canada does not have Religious Freedom, not in the sense that America does, nor does it have Free Speech in the sense that America does.

What is "intimidation"?  In this case, it's Public Prayer in a public place; there's no blocking of ingress and egress toward the event.  That's way better than BLM's and Antifa's track record in protests that are celebrated in these pages. 

It's not that Canadian Christians do not endure persecution; it's that you're perfectly OK with it.  And, perhaps. so are those that recommended the above post.  I hear right from the source IRL as to the plight of Canadian Christians.  It's not China, but it's not Freedom, and the Canadian Government (which currently hates Christianity as much as Castro's Cuba does) would like to rewrite the Gospel to its liking if they could.  "Hate Speech" is merely a term used to silence religious preaching and teaching.  No matter.  Those who love God obey His Commands, and he commanded us;  "Go ye, therefore, into all the World and preach this Gospel to every creature."   God Bless those brave Canadian Pastors, and God Bind the corrupt Canadian government from harming them.

1. I am not ok with Canadian pastors being arrested solely for protesting against drag shows.

2. He wasn't arrested for protesting  specifically. If you look deeper into the story, he had committed violent crimes before, was in prison for it and violated his bail conditions. That's why he was arrested.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/calgary-pastor-derek-reimer-bail-released-breach-criminal-history-1.6787194

3. People in the US have been arrested for doing the same thing. Does it mean the US persecutes Christians?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/man-arrested-citing-bible-verse-protest-pride-event-video-evidence-sinks-case
https://www.foxnews.com/media/wisconsin-street-preacher-arrested-protesting-drag-event-families-viral-video

It's not OK that the US does this in some areas.  It is most certainly not OK.

Our Constitution restrains some state and local governments, and even our current Federal Government, from persecuting Christians.  Our 1st Amendment and are concept of Free Speech, Freedom of Assembly, etc. are not the laws of Canada.  Canada does not have the sort of Free Speech rights that the US has.  The people in America who do at least attempt to persecute Christians are still checked, to some degree, by our Constitution.  I would like Canada to become more like the US in this regard.  These people I speak about would rather the US become more like Canada.

I do note that this pastor violated a "bail condition".  In truth, he should not have been arrested in the first place.  I recognize that the principle of the Rule of Law means that Courts have an interest in their orders being obeyed,  so I'll give you that, but he shouldn't have been arrested in the first place.

[Fuzzy Bear]

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Today, btw, marks the last time that a federal election was held on basis of a democratic electoral law.

Hm, if you really deem my take "absurd", I ask you to never complain about the Electoral College or how Al Gore's and Hillary's presidencies were stolen again.

Non sequitur based AND nonsensical. Well done!
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This is Badger's 40,000th post.  I can only imagine his social skills IRL.

[Fuzzy Bear]

While it’s absolutely horrible what happened to Laken Riley, it’s even worse what Republicans are trying to exploit from her murder.

Separately, they’ll use a young white woman to do it. Out west and in Alaska they’re completely ignoring the systemic abduction, rape, murder and trafficking of native women. They’re even actively trying to obfuscate the issue and make sure nothing is done because it’s home grown good ole boys engaged in it too.

Think about the highlighted part for a moment, and what it's compared to.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Can blue avatars go five minutes without dehumanizing Palestinians?

In the events in Gaza, the Palestinians are the ones in the wrong. They have no virtue and no merit in their arguments. 

Another lie/deliberate misrepresentation by Ferguson97.  Here's the whole post:

OSR, you might find your complaints about red av toxicity gaining a lot more sympathy if you weren't bringing them up almost exclusively while railing against the bans of reactionaries who espouse loathsome bigotries that you insist don't exist because you didn't see them.

Get real.

In the current protests, in the events in Gaza, the Palestinians are the ones in the wrong.  They have no virtue and no merit in their arguments.  They want to use civilians as human shields, lob rockets at Israeli civilians.  They not only wish for Israel to not exist, they wish to drive every Jew out of "Palestine".  They have wanted this, and worked for this, ever since the Grand Mufti collaborated with Hitler in WWII.  

Haley/Ryan is Jewish in a country where Jew Hatred on the Left (which is tolerated here when it can't be blamed on the Right) runs rampant.  The complete denial of what the pro-Palestinian protesters are actually doing is shameful.  But the permabanning of Haley/Ryan is more that just bias; it is the Mod Team condoning the actions of Pro-Palestinian protesters and embracing the Palestinian cause.

OSR is a stand-up guy.  Red Avatars have loads of advocates here; Haley/Ryan deserves more than one.  And I consider his previous 6 month ban (to be kind) excessive.  

The highlighted part is absolutely true of Hamas's treatment of Gazan civilians.  And I didn't even mention Hamas killing hostages (which has likely happened).

[Fuzzy Bear]

Can blue avatars go five minutes without dehumanizing Palestinians?

In the events in Gaza, the Palestinians are the ones in the wrong. They have no virtue and no merit in their arguments.  

Another lie/deliberate misrepresentation by Ferguson97.  Here's the whole post:

OSR, you might find your complaints about red av toxicity gaining a lot more sympathy if you weren't bringing them up almost exclusively while railing against the bans of reactionaries who espouse loathsome bigotries that you insist don't exist because you didn't see them.

Get real.

In the current protests, in the events in Gaza, the Palestinians are the ones in the wrong.  They have no virtue and no merit in their arguments.  They want to use civilians as human shields, lob rockets at Israeli civilians.  They not only wish for Israel to not exist, they wish to drive every Jew out of "Palestine".  They have wanted this, and worked for this, ever since the Grand Mufti collaborated with Hitler in WWII.  

Haley/Ryan is Jewish in a country where Jew Hatred on the Left (which is tolerated here when it can't be blamed on the Right) runs rampant.  The complete denial of what the pro-Palestinian protesters are actually doing is shameful.  But the permabanning of Haley/Ryan is more that just bias; it is the Mod Team condoning the actions of Pro-Palestinian protesters and embracing the Palestinian cause.

OSR is a stand-up guy.  Red Avatars have loads of advocates here; Haley/Ryan deserves more than one.  And I consider his previous 6 month ban (to be kind) excessive.  

The highlighted part is absolutely true of Hamas's treatment of Gazan civilians.  And I didn't even mention Hamas killing hostages (which has likely happened).

"Hamas" and "The Palestinians" are not synonyms.

Also your post was at best tangentially related to the post it was responding to.

There is no evidence of meaningful Palestinian opposition to Hamas. 

There are protestors in the crowd that admit to being Hamas.

They are one in the same in fact for the purposes of this conflict.  There are no Palestinian voices of consequence condemning the October 7 attack and no Palestinian voices of consequence demanding that Hamas release the hostages.  (In all likelihood it is because all Palestinian voices of consequences already know, ore have reason to believe, that the bulk of the hostages are dead.

You have not condemned any of that to date.