The Atlasian Sentinel

[Alexander Hamilton]

While ConCon was a failure, in a sense, we must acknowledge the Purple State was right in creating a new vehicle of ideas and bringing up new debates in Atlasia again.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Universalism proposals were absolutely awful, that's why it started to die out shortly after the initial fuss over the convention. I'm not exactly thrilled with this newspapers subtle favoritism, but, I suppose we're all human and bring our own biases to reporting. Happy to read the newspaper, at the very least.

What favoritism? I though ilikeverin would slam Purple State to be honest. I will always try to eliminate bias and favoritism, and a watchful eye from the readers is a big help, even more so if I'm elected to the Midwest Governorship.

Well, I'm not sure why so much attention was focused on Universalism, it seemed rather out of place. And of course, this newspaper is always kind to Purple State.

You seem to have an obsession with making claims of RPP members being "biased" towards Purple State and vice-versa.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Universalism proposals were absolutely awful, that's why it started to die out shortly after the initial fuss over the convention. I'm not exactly thrilled with this newspapers subtle favoritism, but, I suppose we're all human and bring our own biases to reporting. Happy to read the newspaper, at the very least.

What favoritism? I though ilikeverin would slam Purple State to be honest. I will always try to eliminate bias and favoritism, and a watchful eye from the readers is a big help, even more so if I'm elected to the Midwest Governorship.

Well, I'm not sure why so much attention was focused on Universalism, it seemed rather out of place. And of course, this newspaper is always kind to Purple State.

You seem to have an obsession with making claims of RPP members being "biased" towards Purple State and vice-versa.

You weren't around when this paper was giving Purple State back-to-back headlines. I'm not trying to make a big deal about it or anything, I just wish this newspaper included a bit more varied set of opinions.

Well if that's the case I'm not sure exactly what's posted previous, therefore, no comment.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Why do you have to become such a whiny bitch everytime someone or something does not agree with you 95 % of the time, Marokai? If you want a newspaper slaming Purple State you have the right to create one. You're sounding awfully similar to a Southern Redneck crying about the evil LEEBERAL media.

Except it costs billions of dollars to run a national news channel or newspaper. Marokai can spend five minutes typing whatever he wants bashing Purple State and have it up here right now for all to read.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Ebowed, not Meeker, is challenging Hamilton. It's okay, it's late.

They're both just red Washington avatars to me.

And this is what the Pacific needs... not just another empty suit hiding behind a red avatar. We need a true independent voice that will work for the people.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Ebowed, not Meeker, is challenging Hamilton. It's okay, it's late.

They're both just red Washington avatars to me.

And this is what the Pacific needs... not just another empty suit hiding behind a red avatar. We need a true independent voice that will work for the people.

I'll take an empty suit hiding behind a red avatar over an insufferable twelve-year-old with the intellectual acumen of a goldfish any day.

I don't know any of those on this forum but you seem to be the only person acting like one.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Ebowed, not Meeker, is challenging Hamilton. It's okay, it's late.

They're both just red Washington avatars to me.

And this is what the Pacific needs... not just another empty suit hiding behind a red avatar. We need a true independent voice that will work for the people.

I'll take an empty suit hiding behind a red avatar over an insufferable twelve-year-old with the intellectual acumen of a goldfish any day.

I don't know any of those on this forum but you seem to be the only person acting like one.

Meeker is one of our oldest and still a very respected poster here.  Hes also a friend of mine Hamilton and to my knowledge he'd never said anything to you man.  Please be respectful.

He actually has, in other threads, for reasons unknown, simply stating "I don't like you." HW, I like you, but please don't judge me on my disagreeing with someone who insults me without offering me justification.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Ebowed, not Meeker, is challenging Hamilton. It's okay, it's late.

They're both just red Washington avatars to me.

And this is what the Pacific needs... not just another empty suit hiding behind a red avatar. We need a true independent voice that will work for the people.

I'll take an empty suit hiding behind a red avatar over an insufferable twelve-year-old with the intellectual acumen of a goldfish any day.

I don't know any of those on this forum but you seem to be the only person acting like one.

Meeker is one of our oldest and still a very respected poster here.  Hes also a friend of mine Hamilton and to my knowledge he'd never said anything to you man.  Please be respectful.

He actually has, in other threads, for reasons unknown, simply stating "I don't like you." HW, I like you, but please don't judge me on my disagreeing with someone who insults me without offering me justification.

I'm not judging you dude.  Just saying.  I had'nt seen him disrespecting you before.  I've never seen him disrespect anyone actually lol.  Just saying man.

I'm not trying to say you're judging, I'm just hoping that you don't. He said he really dislikes me, and has taunted my candidacy in multiple threads.

[Alexander Hamilton]

I never said I disliked you simply for personal reasons. I simply responded to your accusation that I was a partisan hack by noting that my objection to you was not based on party affiliation but rather on your own personal actions since arriving in Atlasia. As HappyWarrior correctly observed, I'm hardly ever rude or even confrontational towards anyone - it's simply not in my nature. However, when someone such as you comes along and practically demands I respond, there's nothing more I can do then defend myself and my friends.

Well you said you dislike me, and I took it personally. I also said you were being a dick to me, which was wrong. I would like to make it clear to you that maybe there is a bit of misunderstanding but I don't hold anything against you anymore and appreciate you helping to clear things up.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Can more than one person be a dick to you? 'Cause i'll jump in if I can.

I've actually looked forward to seeing you back in the Senate, so I'd hope you wouldn't want to just be a dick to me. I think we have many common positions that we can help each other work with and I'd sure be glad to do so. Without you in the Senate, people like us lose an important economic voice.

[Alexander Hamilton]

All parties have their respective good and not so good posters. Trying to make it partisan won't solve the problem.

[Alexander Hamilton]

All parties have their respective good and not so good posters. Trying to make it partisan won't solve the problem.

Right.

Lies, All LNF posters are good.

JCP has Gporter for starters, among other undesirables. But I won't judge the party or it's members based on the actions of other members. I'd appreciate if you wouldn't do that to any other party, as well.

"All LNF posters are good," said a bad one.

[Alexander Hamilton]

     Also, preferential voting means that splits in each wing don't mean too much. They only really matter when party bosses start micromanaging the vote, like when Purple State got elected at the expense of Lief.

Yeah, I'll be the first to admit that together with SPC's dive to get DWTL in was the purest example of what is wrong with the preferential method. But it adds a level of excitement that far outweighs the issues.

Kind of like the electoral college. People like seeing the states pop up on the map.

[Alexander Hamilton]

We can project that RowanBrandon will be elected to the Senate.

That makes this the current make up of the Senate:


Yellow - RPP
Light Blue - DA
Green - JCP

I like the graphic!

Will you still like it when it has 6 yellow spaces?

[Alexander Hamilton]

Granted it was more about PS's analysis then the Healthcare plan itself but I did comment on the "effects" of the bill as a way of showing where PS had a good analysis, so I was commenting about it indirectly. Am I not considered a Senator?

RPP gets no credit around here.

[Alexander Hamilton]

I got three write-ins, that's awesome.

[Alexander Hamilton]

What? For real? How did this happen? I'm away for a few hours and Franzl and afleitch both get re-elected? I hope you're not screwing with me Vepres.

We tried very hard to help make it happen, the RPP alternatives were deplorable.

I think Duke is more in line with JCP views than either Franzl or afleitch.

[Alexander Hamilton]

We'll probably lose a regional seat, but if Smid runs our chances are great in the Northeast.  A few more recruits in the Pacific and we have a chance there too

Uhhhh how?  Hashemite has been a strong Senator and it isn't like the RPP is superpowerful in the region.  They have no reason to throw him out.

Not to mention, you would need more than a "few" recruits to make any substantive gains in the Pacific. Does this mean more inactive nobodies for the Pacific? What joy!

Like Rosetta Stoned and phknrocket1k?

[Alexander Hamilton]

That is your opinion, Purple State, and I must say I disagree. Just because someone used to be active here doesn't make them any better than someone who rarely posts here, if those former members don't ever post here except to vote.

[Alexander Hamilton]

That is your opinion, Purple State, and I must say I disagree. Just because someone used to be active here doesn't make them any better than someone who rarely posts here, if those former members don't ever post here except to vote.

I can't imagine you disagree that there is something...unsavory...about recruiting random people to spam the forum to reach the required post count, register, vote and disappear. While having an army of older members ready at one's disposal is not a good thing, it does not involve getting people to join the forum for the sole purpose of voting for you.

To give an analogy, there is a big difference between driving apathetic citizens to the polling site to vote and trucking in people from outside to vote for you and then go back home.

Unless there is some kind of conspiracy going on that I don't know about, no one is bringing people in from other sites. And all of our new members have been active in other parts of the forum, as well as making a few posts in Atlasia. I don't see how anyone could honestly think that having an army of people that know absolutely nothing about Atlasia is preferable to new people who show interest, unless it's blatant partisanship. I honestly believe it is pure envy. The same things were said when I came, and when people before me came, and really it's just stupid.

[Alexander Hamilton]

That is your opinion, Purple State, and I must say I disagree. Just because someone used to be active here doesn't make them any better than someone who rarely posts here, if those former members don't ever post here except to vote.

I can't imagine you disagree that there is something...unsavory...about recruiting random people to spam the forum to reach the required post count, register, vote and disappear. While having an army of older members ready at one's disposal is not a good thing, it does not involve getting people to join the forum for the sole purpose of voting for you.

To give an analogy, there is a big difference between driving apathetic citizens to the polling site to vote and trucking in people from outside to vote for you and then go back home.

Unless there is some kind of conspiracy going on that I don't know about, no one is bringing people in from other sites. And all of our new members have been active in other parts of the forum, as well as making a few posts in Atlasia. I don't see how anyone could honestly think that having an army of people that know absolutely nothing about Atlasia is preferable to new people who show interest, unless it's blatant partisanship. I honestly believe it is pure envy. The same things were said when I came, and when people before me came, and really it's just stupid.

However, most active members are not recruited simply to win an election. Most times, what brings in true and committed members just takes them wandering into the boards.

What makes you think that?

[Alexander Hamilton]

That is your opinion, Purple State, and I must say I disagree. Just because someone used to be active here doesn't make them any better than someone who rarely posts here, if those former members don't ever post here except to vote.

I can't imagine you disagree that there is something...unsavory...about recruiting random people to spam the forum to reach the required post count, register, vote and disappear. While having an army of older members ready at one's disposal is not a good thing, it does not involve getting people to join the forum for the sole purpose of voting for you.

To give an analogy, there is a big difference between driving apathetic citizens to the polling site to vote and trucking in people from outside to vote for you and then go back home.

Unless there is some kind of conspiracy going on that I don't know about, no one is bringing people in from other sites. And all of our new members have been active in other parts of the forum, as well as making a few posts in Atlasia. I don't see how anyone could honestly think that having an army of people that know absolutely nothing about Atlasia is preferable to new people who show interest, unless it's blatant partisanship. I honestly believe it is pure envy. The same things were said when I came, and when people before me came, and really it's just stupid.

However, most active members are not recruited simply to win an election. Most times, what brings in true and committed members just takes them wandering into the boards.

What makes you think that?

My time here and my experiences thus far.

I can only speak for myself, but I would have never just wandered in to this board.

[Alexander Hamilton]

That is your opinion, Purple State, and I must say I disagree. Just because someone used to be active here doesn't make them any better than someone who rarely posts here, if those former members don't ever post here except to vote.

I can't imagine you disagree that there is something...unsavory...about recruiting random people to spam the forum to reach the required post count, register, vote and disappear. While having an army of older members ready at one's disposal is not a good thing, it does not involve getting people to join the forum for the sole purpose of voting for you.

To give an analogy, there is a big difference between driving apathetic citizens to the polling site to vote and trucking in people from outside to vote for you and then go back home.

Unless there is some kind of conspiracy going on that I don't know about, no one is bringing people in from other sites. And all of our new members have been active in other parts of the forum, as well as making a few posts in Atlasia. I don't see how anyone could honestly think that having an army of people that know absolutely nothing about Atlasia is preferable to new people who show interest, unless it's blatant partisanship. I honestly believe it is pure envy. The same things were said when I came, and when people before me came, and really it's just stupid.

However, most active members are not recruited simply to win an election. Most times, what brings in true and committed members just takes them wandering into the boards.

What makes you think that?

My time here and my experiences thus far.

I can only speak for myself, but I would have never just wandered in to this board.

I did after months of wondering what it was. And was it not you who said you had been following the board for weeks and just decided to register after following it for some time?

The people that stay are the ones that don't believe their sole purpose is as a simple vote in a machine. It is the people like Vepres and Barnes, that want to do more than just serve as partisan hacks, that keep the game going.

Well I don't think the JCPers are "people that stay", at least with newbies they may decide to get interested. And I signed up for the forum in April after following for months and only made like 12 posts until July. Once I got started here I got more active. I think that model can and will be replicated. New RPPers are certainly active across the forum regardless, so I think if you do want to attack them, you must be fair and attack the JCP voters that don't come to this board.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Well I don't think the JCPers are "people that stay", at least with newbies they may decide to get interested. And I signed up for the forum in April after following for months and only made like 12 posts until July. Once I got started here I got more active. I think that model can and will be replicated. New RPPers are certainly active across the forum regardless, so I think if you do want to attack them, you must be fair and attack the JCP voters that don't come to this board.

I'm not attacking the new members you bring in. I'm attacking the tactics you use, tactics that the JCP does not use. The JCP doesn't bring in newbies and instruct them to vote how they want.

You prove my point. You came and stayed because you were actively interested, not because you were asked to come and vote a certain way.

I don't bring anything in, except my friend NiK and FallenMorgan, note that a couple newbies posted here before they registered asking what it's about and how to get involved.

[Alexander Hamilton]

We'll probably lose a regional seat, but if Smid runs our chances are great in the Northeast.  A few more recruits in the Pacific and we have a chance there too

Hashemite is unbeatable.

No one is unbeatable.