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If any industry needs some diversifying its pilots. 80-90% or pilots are men.

Not sure why the percentage of pilots that are men is at all relevant so long as the companies are hiring the most qualified applicants

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If any industry needs some diversifying its pilots. 80-90% or pilots are men.

Not sure why the percentage of pilots that are men is at all relevant so long as the companies are hiring the most qualified applicants

Because unless One Believes there is some inherent inability of women to distract their brains from Cosmos and makeup and wrap them around the concept of controlled flight, and 80 to 90% ratio of male Pilots clearly indicates that ratio has as much or more to do with the good old boys network - literally - and other factors making the industry on well to women rather than truly getting the best and brightest for the job.

Or maybe women just aren’t as interested in becoming pilots for whatever reason

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If any industry needs some diversifying its pilots. 80-90% or pilots are men.

Not sure why the percentage of pilots that are men is at all relevant so long as the companies are hiring the most qualified applicants

From a purely statistical standpoint that doesn’t hold water. No way 80% of pilots are men just because “they make the best pilots” or whatever.

There's probably much less women than men seeking to become pilots

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If any industry needs some diversifying its pilots. 80-90% or pilots are men.

Not sure why the percentage of pilots that are men is at all relevant so long as the companies are hiring the most qualified applicants

Because unless One Believes there is some inherent inability of women to distract their brains from Cosmos and makeup and wrap them around the concept of controlled flight, and 80 to 90% ratio of male Pilots clearly indicates that ratio has as much or more to do with the good old boys network - literally - and other factors making the industry on well to women rather than truly getting the best and brightest for the job.

Or maybe women just aren’t as interested in becoming pilots for whatever reason

Post like this reinforce the notion that Atlas is chock full of people who need to get out of their mother's basement far more often.

This might just be the most Badger post ever

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If any industry needs some diversifying its pilots. 80-90% or pilots are men.

Not sure why the percentage of pilots that are men is at all relevant so long as the companies are hiring the most qualified applicants

Yeah, it seems like people have almost forgotten what a pilot is. You're not sitting in front of a computer staring at meaningless Excel sheets all day. You're being entrusted to steer a giant metal tube 30000 feet in the air with hundreds of people inside it. This is an industry where they need to hire the best of the best and it needs to be entirely meritocratic. If over 80% of them end up being white men, that's the way it is.

If you truly think that over 80% hiring of white males is truly meritocratic, there is literally no talking to you about this.

The privilege and Manchild Vibes exuding from this thread are Peak Atlas

Do you also believe that the vast majority of truckers are male because the people running delivery companies are all sexist pigs, or that it's because there's simply much less women even trying to become truckers in the first place?

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If any industry needs some diversifying its pilots. 80-90% or pilots are men.

Not sure why the percentage of pilots that are men is at all relevant so long as the companies are hiring the most qualified applicants

Because unless One Believes there is some inherent inability of women to distract their brains from Cosmos and makeup and wrap them around the concept of controlled flight, and 80 to 90% ratio of male Pilots clearly indicates that ratio has as much or more to do with the good old boys network - literally - and other factors making the industry on well to women rather than truly getting the best and brightest for the job.

Or maybe women just aren’t as interested in becoming pilots for whatever reason

Post like this reinforce the notion that Atlas is chock full of people who need to get out of their mother's basement far more often.

This might just be the most Badger post ever

Very weak retort. Especially considering your post I was responding to sounds like something one would type just before their mother called them to let them know their chicken nuggys were ready.

" maybe women just don't want to be pilots " Views like this will not help you finally get a girlfriend.

Yes I'm a basement dwelling incel because I think that some careers may be more appealing to one gender than the other for whatever reason. You're very smart and in touch with reality

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If any industry needs some diversifying its pilots. 80-90% or pilots are men.

Not sure why the percentage of pilots that are men is at all relevant so long as the companies are hiring the most qualified applicants

Because unless One Believes there is some inherent inability of women to distract their brains from Cosmos and makeup and wrap them around the concept of controlled flight, and 80 to 90% ratio of male Pilots clearly indicates that ratio has as much or more to do with the good old boys network - literally - and other factors making the industry on well to women rather than truly getting the best and brightest for the job.

Or maybe women just aren’t as interested in becoming pilots for whatever reason

Post like this reinforce the notion that Atlas is chock full of people who need to get out of their mother's basement far more often.

This might just be the most Badger post ever

Very weak retort. Especially considering your post I was responding to sounds like something one would type just before their mother called them to let them know their chicken nuggys were ready.

" maybe women just don't want to be pilots " Views like this will not help you finally get a girlfriend.

Yes I'm a basement dwelling incel because I think that some careers may be more appealing to one gender than the other for whatever reason. You're very smart and in touch with reality

Clearly we need to bust up the girl's club dominating the fashion, education, human resources, childcare, and salon/spa industries. If it weren't for the toxic sex discrimination in our society, all of these areas would surely be 50% male.

I remember that Badger was one of the red avatars that was crying about how banning affirmative action will result in less black people getting accepted into colleges, but he also accused people of being racists for saying that affirmative action helps some black people get admitted. Clearly his angry little brain stops working when discussing DEI

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Guys, I know this will blow your mind but women aren’t just the exact same as men on average but with different body parts, lol.  Blank slate thinking is entirely discredited by science, sorry.  Men and women have different psychological tendencies generally speaking, and unless you’re trying so desperately to pretend like that’s not the case, it shouldn’t shock you that some careers are disproportionately male or female.  No male/female should face adversity individually trying to enter a specific career, but the mere fact certain fields skew heavily one way isn’t a problem that needs fixed.  It’s just reality.

How specifically do women make worse pilots?

Complete non-sequitur.

How is it a non-sequitur? What else could RINO Tom have been insinuating when he was talking about physiological differences?

He said psychological, not physiological

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Guys, I know this will blow your mind but women aren’t just the exact same as men on average but with different body parts, lol.  Blank slate thinking is entirely discredited by science, sorry.  Men and women have different psychological tendencies generally speaking, and unless you’re trying so desperately to pretend like that’s not the case, it shouldn’t shock you that some careers are disproportionately male or female.  No male/female should face adversity individually trying to enter a specific career, but the mere fact certain fields skew heavily one way isn’t a problem that needs fixed.  It’s just reality.

How specifically do women make worse pilots?

Complete non-sequitur.

No, it's exactly on point and a question that conservatives and Libertarians are too gutless and misplaced in their thinking to answer.

Literally no one in this thread has said that women are worse pilots. We’re saying that women probably aren’t as interested in being pilots

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Guys, I know this will blow your mind but women aren’t just the exact same as men on average but with different body parts, lol.  Blank slate thinking is entirely discredited by science, sorry.  Men and women have different psychological tendencies generally speaking, and unless you’re trying so desperately to pretend like that’s not the case, it shouldn’t shock you that some careers are disproportionately male or female.  No male/female should face adversity individually trying to enter a specific career, but the mere fact certain fields skew heavily one way isn’t a problem that needs fixed.  It’s just reality.

How specifically do women make worse pilots?

Complete non-sequitur.

No, it's exactly on point and a question that conservatives and Libertarians are too gutless and misplaced in their thinking to answer.

Literally no one in this thread has said that women are worse pilots. We’re saying that women probably aren’t as interested in being pilots

To a factor that 80 to 90% of Pilots are men, and almost entirely white men at that? Really?

~90% of truckers are men. ~75% of Uber/Lyft drivers are men. These types of jobs seem to just appeal to a greater percentage of men than women. I find it especially hard to believe that Uber/Lyft are refusing to hire female drivers because of sexism.

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I don’t know why people are using the fact the X career is 90% men that must mean woman just don’t want to be involved.

Computer Sciences used to be dominated by women, but overtime women kept being further and further excluded as it grew in prestige. Today only around 20% of those who work in Conputer Science are women.

Did something change to make it where women were unsuited for the field? No of course not. I cannot think of a job were the physiological differences between men and women would explain why there’s such massive imbalances, especially as they change so much over time. The only reason is cultural perceptions.

Men are 50% more likely to get ticketed for speeding than women. Do you think that this is because cops are sexist against men, or do you think it's because men's brains are just generally wired to get more of a thrill out of going fast than women are, and so there simply is just a much larger population of male speeders compared to female speeders? I'd imagine that this is why basically every job which centers around driving a vehicle is heavily male dominated. Not because women are worse drivers than men, not because the people running all these companies are sexist, but rather because there is a much larger pool of male applicants than female applicants due to men generally enjoying the sensation of travelling at high speeds more than women do.

Even if you want to say that pilots, truckers, etc are heavily male dominated because a majority of the public buys into the stereotype that women are worse drivers, and thus these companies avoid hiring women for PR reasons, this doesn't really explain imo why Uber/Lyft drivers are heavily male dominated. A large portion, if not an outright majority, of Uber/Lyft's customers are intoxicated people who need a ride home. I'd imagine that just about every woman (and thus >50% of the population) would greatly prefer that their Uber/Lyft driver be a woman, given the amount of horror stories of creepy male Uber drivers who use their position to prey on vulnerable, usually drunk, women (and the same applies to male Uber customers, but to a lesser extent obviously).

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Guys, I know this will blow your mind but women aren’t just the exact same as men on average but with different body parts, lol.  Blank slate thinking is entirely discredited by science, sorry.  Men and women have different psychological tendencies generally speaking, and unless you’re trying so desperately to pretend like that’s not the case, it shouldn’t shock you that some careers are disproportionately male or female.  No male/female should face adversity individually trying to enter a specific career, but the mere fact certain fields skew heavily one way isn’t a problem that needs fixed.  It’s just reality.

How specifically do women make worse pilots?

Complete non-sequitur.

How is it a non-sequitur? What else could RINO Tom have been insinuating when he was talking about physiological differences?

He said psychological, not physiological

Typo on my part.

What are these supposed psychological differences?

Explained in the post above yours

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Guys, I know this will blow your mind but women aren’t just the exact same as men on average but with different body parts, lol.  Blank slate thinking is entirely discredited by science, sorry.  Men and women have different psychological tendencies generally speaking, and unless you’re trying so desperately to pretend like that’s not the case, it shouldn’t shock you that some careers are disproportionately male or female.  No male/female should face adversity individually trying to enter a specific career, but the mere fact certain fields skew heavily one way isn’t a problem that needs fixed.  It’s just reality.

How specifically do women make worse pilots?

Complete non-sequitur.

How is it a non-sequitur? What else could RINO Tom have been insinuating when he was talking about physiological differences?

He said psychological, not physiological

Typo on my part.

What are these supposed psychological differences?

Preferences and interests.

It’s weird that the extremely pro-trans posters are in denial about the male and female mind being different. The argument in favor of transgenderism is that you can be born in a male body but have the mind of a woman or vice versa. If there is literally no differences between the male and female mind, with men and women differing only in their body parts, than how do you square these two beliefs without thinking that gender dysphoria is a mental illness?

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What are these supposed psychological differences?

Preferences and interests.

And you think those are naturally ingrained due to biology/brain chemistry, and not due to socialization?

Why not both?

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What are these supposed psychological differences?

Preferences and interests.

And you think those are naturally ingrained due to biology/brain chemistry, and not due to socialization?

Why not both?

You sound like a phrenologist

It's literally a scientific fact that male and female brains are different. Not significantly so, but there are still differences (with neither the male nor female brain being inherently superior to the other)

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Guys, I know this will blow your mind but women aren’t just the exact same as men on average but with different body parts, lol.  Blank slate thinking is entirely discredited by science, sorry.  Men and women have different psychological tendencies generally speaking, and unless you’re trying so desperately to pretend like that’s not the case, it shouldn’t shock you that some careers are disproportionately male or female.  No male/female should face adversity individually trying to enter a specific career, but the mere fact certain fields skew heavily one way isn’t a problem that needs fixed.  It’s just reality.

How specifically do women make worse pilots?

Complete non-sequitur.

How is it a non-sequitur? What else could RINO Tom have been insinuating when he was talking about physiological differences?

He said psychological, not physiological

Typo on my part.

What are these supposed psychological differences?

Preferences and interests.

It’s weird that the extremely pro-trans posters are in denial about the male and female mind being different. The argument in favor of transgenderism is that you can be born in a male body but have the mind of a woman or vice versa. If there is literally no differences between the male and female mind, with men and women differing only in their body parts, than how do you square these two beliefs without thinking that gender dysphoria is a mental illness?

That works both ways.

Well I do believe that someone with a more female-oriented brain can be born in a male body (or vice vera), so you're barking up the wrong tree

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What are these supposed psychological differences?

Preferences and interests.

And you think those are naturally ingrained due to biology/brain chemistry, and not due to socialization?

Why not both?

You sound like a phrenologist

It's literally a scientific fact that male and female brains are different. Not significantly so, but there are still differences (with neither the male nor female brain being inherently superior to the other)

How does that difference impact personal preference in any measurable, significant, or consistent way?

Why do you think that men get ticketed for speeding 50% more often?

The very fact that, across basically every job which centers around driving a fast-moving vehicle, ~80% of the workforce is male is the measurement you're looking for. Idk what else you expect me to say.

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100% of cub caretakers among the bear population are female. Clearly this huge gender disparity is because bears are sexist and discourage males from raising their kids, rather than male bears simply being programmed to have to interest in raising cubs

Since the human mind is much more complex than just about any other animal species on Earth, there’s practically no professions where one gender has no interest in it at all, but we are still animals nonetheless. So it’s not surprising that the male and female brain would be at least slightly different, given that there are very noticeable differences in the male and female brain in just about every other mammal species

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What are these supposed psychological differences?

Preferences and interests.

And you think those are naturally ingrained due to biology/brain chemistry, and not due to socialization?

Why not both?

You sound like a phrenologist

This and other posts you have made in this thread are shameful and embarrassing. You're studying to be a scientist for god's sake.

I'm hesitant to degrade myself by wading into this idiotic debate at all but even if it was entirely due to socialization that doesn't refute that the differences is still real and observable. Once again, progressives really have an incredibly difficult grasp of the is/ought distinction (and don't worry - I'm aware that this one is surely social rather than biological).

You’re being a bit harsh on her imo. The one who’s been really shameful here is Badger

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What are these supposed psychological differences?

Preferences and interests.

And you think those are naturally ingrained due to biology/brain chemistry, and not due to socialization?

Why not both?

You sound like a phrenologist

This and other posts you have made in this thread are shameful and embarrassing. You're studying to be a scientist for god's sake.

I'm hesitant to degrade myself by wading into this idiotic debate at all but even if it was entirely due to socialization that doesn't refute that the differences is still real and observable. Once again, progressives really have an incredibly difficult grasp of the is/ought distinction (and don't worry - I'm aware that this one is surely social rather than biological).

You’re being a bit harsh on her imo. The one who’s been really shameful here is Badger

Cool. Meanwhile the arguments here have been that basically a combination of natural biology and the Invisible Hand of the market is responsible for a minute share of pilot and other good paying positions being female, even after Frank provided an extensive list of links to class action lawsuits over discrimination in those fields. Ah yes, the lawyers. We Wiley hypnotizing lawyers convince the plaintiffs to take up these causes and truly it was a blow against business efficiency.

Honestly, the causes of this disparity have been argued with little more clarity in this thread than "because reasons". Women value work / lifebalance more than men? Sure, I'll take that at face value. Now explain to me why the percentage of women in the military is substantially higher than the percentage of Pilots? Is it perhaps because one Institution goes out of its way to be welcoming to anyone who can truly hack it in their system and thereby be a true meritocracy?

A quick Google search shows that pretty much every military branch is 80+% percent male. The military branch with the highest percentage of females is the Air Force, with 23% of its members being female. That’s basically the exact same as the percentage of pilots that are female

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I hope the next Republican DoJ starts prosecuting DEI as a violation of the Civil Rights Act.

how… DEI doesn’t have any actual authority’s in most companies just makes recommendations that are usually ignored

It influences hiring decisions. Also, an argument could be made that diversity training creates a hostile work environment.

I remember that when I went through a DEI training course for my grad school orientation, the instructor designated separate areas of the room for certain parts of one’s identity (for example, one section of the room represented race, another sex, another sexual orientation, another gender identity, etc), and made us stand in the area which corresponds to the identity classification we were most uncomfortable with, and then explain why we were uncomfortable with it. I wasn’t actually uncomfortable with any of the options, but I chose gender identity since that’s the most “justifiable” phobia (I have no problems with any adult choosing to transition from their birth gender to another one). It was pretty awkward though since there was a trans student there, so I did worry that he might get the wrong idea and think that I actually am denying his gender identity.

I wonder if Fergie’s, Badger’s, leecannon’s, and Scarlet’s opinions on DEI training would sour if they had to do that in their DEI training session. You literally had to pick one area which you were more “bigoted” in, but I can’t imagine any of those posters actually going along with it. I feel like they’d just freeze up and beg the instructor to not force them to choose