2020 Presidential Election Results & Exit Polls commentary thread

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The truth is AZ is gone for Trump and even trump and the GOP knows it


There is no chance that Fox news would made and you stood by that call if they though that trump had any chance at all of taking the lead from Biden

If Fox news saw numbers showing them that Trump was going to win AZ they would have quickly put that out on election night

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Even if trump somehow took AZ
It still would not matter at this point since georgia is slipping away from him

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You guys think Fox was premature in calling Arizona or do they know something we don't?

Not only did they make the call they also spent 24 hours defending it
they have not tried to walk it back at all

because of that this I have to believe that they are seeing data that has them convinced that trump will not catch up to Biden in AZ

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Per CNN, 62K new Maricopa ballot count.

Biden: 912,585, 51%
Trump: 838,071, 47%

This is simply not good enough
This was also probably the last good batch for Trump

now mostly everything  that is left is going to come from areas that of even more pro democrat like Pima County.

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Okay, so how is Biden looking now state by state?

N CAROLINA - 25% chance
GEORGIA - 40% chance
PENNSYLVANIA - 60% chance
ARIZONA - 75% chance
NEVADA - 75% chance

If we are being slightly cautious, do those numbers look right? Some of y'all are paying closer attention than me, so any input is appreciated and valued.

I think biden chance of winning Georgia should be higher but other than that I think you nailed it

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Poor Fox News.

Fox is simply going to not call NV like everyone else
They will wait for Biden take the lead in PA /GA and then they will call it

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I am now fully convinced that the Dems need to completely divorce themselves from the woke academic language and distance themselves from activists that push it. I felt this way earlier but was reluctant to say it. It doesn't help us politically with the average minority voter who do not experience race in those terms nor with the moderate/conservative white voters. It seems to exist solely for elite spaces for white liberals and elite minorities.

One good thing about both Biden and Sanders was that they stayed away from that stuff although some others in the primaries like Gillibrand and Castro dabbled in it. We need to make sure that the same happens going forward as well. Anyone who use the term "intersectionality" or "latinx" should not be nominated for the Democrats up or down the ballot.

Biden did not lose Florida because of woke language
He lost because Trump had conviced a lot of Cuban and Venezuelan Americans that he was communist who supported socialist

you can pick the most anti woke Dem of all time and it wont matter in the end if they are still successfully branded as socialist or communist in places like Florida

remember if you can convince voters that Joe biden of all people is a socialist
than you can do that to any Dem no matter how anti woke they are....

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No matter how Georgia goes in the end, Joe Biden and Democrats can send a big Thank you card to Stacey Abrams. Her efforts since 2018 have truly made this possible and paid off big time.

A lot of people on here spent most of this election trashing Stacey Abrams because she dared to not be shy about saying she wanted to be the VP

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If Biden wins Georgia. Stacy Abrams needs to be the chair of the DNC cause whatever she doing she's doing it right.

Lol

She lost her own election and hasnt done anything of note since. Biden won Georgia because Trump is a lemming. They're going to lose both senate seats in a moth or so anyways.

All she really did was build the infrastructure in GA and that will most likely be the main reason Trump loses the state in the first place.....

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I am now fully convinced that the Dems need to completely divorce themselves from the woke academic language and distance themselves from activists that push it. I felt this way earlier but was reluctant to say it. It doesn't help us politically with the average minority voter who do not experience race in those terms nor with the moderate/conservative white voters. It seems to exist solely for elite spaces for white liberals and elite minorities.

One good thing about both Biden and Sanders was that they stayed away from that stuff although some others in the primaries like Gillibrand and Castro dabbled in it. We need to make sure that the same happens going forward as well. Anyone who use the term "intersectionality" or "latinx" should not be nominated for the Democrats up or down the ballot.

Biden did not lose Florida because of woke language
He lost because Trump had conviced a lot of Cuban and Venezuelan Americans that he was communist who supported socialist

you can pick the most anti woke Dem of all time and it wont matter in the end if they are still successfully branded as socialist or communist in places like Florida

remember if you can convince voters that Joe biden of all people is a socialist
than you can do that to any Dem no matter how anti woke they are....

But given that Republicans literally always seek to paint the Democratic nominee as a Castro friendly socialist toddler, right back through Hillary, Obama, Carrie, Gore, Etc. Why on Earth did it work so very well this time? Especially against a candidate like Biden who would be about as difficult to Tar as a wild-eyed radical as a candidate can be?

Myona extremely uninformed hypothesis is a combination of the growing Venezuelan vote. Their having personally dealt with Chavez and Maduro only within the last decade I'm guessing would make them far more susceptible to Republicans waving the red flag. Additionally, although I was very much under the impression that most Cuban Americans outside the true Old Guard supported Obama's attempts to reopen contact with the island through easing travel restrictions, Etc. I guess not, and they actually like Trump's reversal of such policies which made it harder to send money to and visit relatives on the island?

It might have been partially a name recognition thing, combined with a very good outreach operation in Spanish language media that Dems just had no hope of ever beating.
Trump, for better or worse, had a clear name recognition advantage, and this would be magnified in a relatively insular community like the Cubanos.

I wish it were that simple. I can't believe for a second that Joe Biden didn't have sufficient name recognition compared to say Obama in 2008 or even John Kerry in 2004 , both of whom did rather well in Miami.

Likewise, I'd love to say it was a problem Limited merely to Cuban / Venezuelan voters in Miami-Dade, but the abysmal results out of South Texas say otherwise

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but overall didnt Biden do way better than Hillary in TX

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People are talking About biden underperformance with some hispanic voters but here is something to remember

yes trump did better hispanics in 2020 and Hillary did even better with them in 2016 but look at where that got them in the end.....


The fact is Biden built a more broad coalition that was getting a good chuck of votes form ever ethnicity instead of just relying on 1.He many not have dominated with that group like Hillary did but he did not have to since unlike Hillary he was doing better among almost every other group of voters.

The big leason here for both Dems and the GOP is make the effort to win over every American instead of simply just relying on 1 group of voter to help you get the to the white house.

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People are talking About biden underperformance with some hispanic voters but here is something to remember

yes trump did better hispanics in 2020 and Hillary did even better with them in 2016 but look at where that got them in the end.....


The fact is Biden built a more broad coalition that was getting a good chuck of votes form ever ethnicity instead of just relying on 1.He many not have dominated with that group like Hillary did but he did not have to since unlike Hillary he was doing better among almost every other group of voters.

The big leason here for both Dems and the GOP is make the effort to win over every American instead of simply just relying on 1 group of voter to help you get the to the white house.

They do need to improve their outreach among Hispanics specifically because this cycle it was just atrocious.

The only group Biden did better among than Hillary was Whites. If there's 1 group that matters the most it's Whites.

I agree they should improve their outreach among Hispanics
but lets be very clear about something this election hopefully showed both the Dems and the GOP
that hispanics are not some monolithic voting group

The reality is some Hispanic voters are simply way more Conservative than others and they really like the GOP platform. There are some who are more willing to buy the idea that the Dems are all socialist and no amount of outreach is going to change that

having said that their are many hispanic voters who are willing to give them a chance and hopefully Biden and Harris can win them back since many are still not happy with Obama record as the deporter in chief when he was in office....

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Imagine being naive enough to think Trump voters care about policy.  Spanberger should know better!

I cant wait for the tea party to come back and pretend to care about deficits and out of control agian lol

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Anyways, if these losers are looking for someone outside of themselves to blame for their electoral performance, why don't they blame Robby Mook? Have no idea how they gave that clown the Majority PAC after 2016's unmitigated embarrassment.

As I’ve said before, I think Hillary’s campaign has been at least somewhat vindicated by the closeness of this election. Despite everything seeming to favor Biden more, despite him correcting basically everything her campaign was criticized for, he still only did slightly better. It’s enough, sure, but it’s not nearly as huge an improvement as you might expect. Pretty clear now that it’s less that Hillary was a bad candidate with a bad campaign and more that Trump just is not easy to beat due to how much he fires up WWC rural voters.

It seems that people didn't want to acknowledge Trump was a genuinely strong candidate in his own right.

Trump is so strong that he looks like he is about to lose 2 red states like AZ and GA while Barely winning TX

No other republican in my life time has ever struggled that badly in any those states

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Anyways, if these losers are looking for someone outside of themselves to blame for their electoral performance, why don't they blame Robby Mook? Have no idea how they gave that clown the Majority PAC after 2016's unmitigated embarrassment.

As I’ve said before, I think Hillary’s campaign has been at least somewhat vindicated by the closeness of this election. Despite everything seeming to favor Biden more, despite him correcting basically everything her campaign was criticized for, he still only did slightly better. It’s enough, sure, but it’s not nearly as huge an improvement as you might expect. Pretty clear now that it’s less that Hillary was a bad candidate with a bad campaign and more that Trump just is not easy to beat due to how much he fires up WWC rural voters.

It seems that people didn't want to acknowledge Trump was a genuinely strong candidate in his own right.

yeah trump is so strong that he looks like he is about to lose 2 red states like AZ and GA while Barely winning TX

no other republican in my life time has ever struggled that badly in any those states

You are such a partisan hack at this point it’s outrageous.

That attack was uncalled for and I said or did nothing to justify it
I have never ever attack anbody on here nor have I ever went after someone personally for disagreeing with me

So to come out and call me a hack just because  I pointed out of the fact No republican in modern history has ever struggled that badly in TX.

its a silly attack that says way more about you than it does about me

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So based on trump comments
I guessing He wont be at any Biden inauguration nor will there be any real peaceful transfer of power

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Hoping Biden can take the lead in GA or PA before Trump takes the lead in AZ. I don't want Trump to have a majority of EVs at any point.

Trump is going to pull ahead in Arizona?!!

At his current pace no he is not

he needs to be doing a lot better in order to win AZ

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https://twitter.com/SeanNobleAZDC/status/1324533173737279488?s=20

At this point what difference does it even make

the reality is stacey abrams may have single handedly ended all hope of Trump ever having a comeback in GA.

If Biden takes GA its game over for him and at that point AZ will not matter

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https://twitter.com/anenews/status/1324559175985233921

In a weird way I feel sorry for them
losing is never easy and we all deal with it in different ways

looking back I actually think that it was good thing that the shock of Hillary loss all happend on just 1 election night because after that many dems were able to recover and move on from it a few days later

That was largely thanks to Hillary being a good sport and accepting the results of the election

for these people it is much worse
they are watching this process drag out and unlike Hillary supporters they at least had the illusion that Trump was winning on election night ( even though a lot of us on here knew that was only because a lot of the mail and early vote had not yet been counted )

They are seeing all hope of Trump reelection fading before their very eyes and the president they suppport is only making things worse the longer he keeps trying to fools them into think he still going to win this

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Really hope some people don't start with the whole "Joe Biden isn't my President" BS.  

Joe Biden IS your President
Donald Trump was your President
Barack Obama was your President

I wish them all the best.  I will support Joe Biden as he begins his term and hope he does well even though I don't think its the best direction at all.

No they never gave Trump a chance. I will never give Biden a chance if he somehow "wins." Period.

I can't speak for others, but I for did give the man a chance because trump was saying all the right things and it really looked like he was going to be a different type of Republican at the start and then he tried implement his Muslim ban that caused tons of chaos at the airports.

He pulled us out the Paris climate change agreement and tried to pass a god awful health care bill that thankfully Jon McCain save us all from.

He threw transgender troops out of the military and claimed that he loved the DACA kids and wanted to protect them. That turned out to be another lie

by the end of trumps first year any Hope I had for him was gone and came to realise that Michelle Obama words summed Trump up perfectly

The presidency doesn't change who you are it reveals who you are"

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So if Biden already won, why isn't anything called? Do they fear Trump too much?

Some of it driven by the Media wanting big ratings and more clicks on their websites
for example The Los Angeles Times recently tweeted nonsense like this

https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1324358177249546240

The Los Angeles Times knows full well that biden is most likely going to win
yet they are still tweeting silly stuff like this and pretending that Biden may lose simply because they want to keep this Horse race BS going

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Put me at ease: I fear Biden will come up short in the remaining states.

Does it appear to be likely that will happen?

No. He'll take the lead in GA and PA tonight.

Philly is taking forever to count the votes. This BS doesn't help speed things up.

https://6abc.com/pennsylvania-convention-center-attack-plot-pa-election-2020/7689932/

It is sad to see both sides(both being the thugs in the BLM and assholes on the right wanting to kill and kidnap) taking part in violence. People need to freaking stop and learn to reason again.

look say what you will About BLM
but there is big difference between that and Right wing groups trying to literally kidnap and kill people

The FBI stopping a plot to kill the governor of Michigan goes far beyond any craziness I have ever saw From BLM or even antifa




 

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Put me at ease: I fear Biden will come up short in the remaining states.

Does it appear to be likely that will happen?

No. He'll take the lead in GA and PA tonight.

Philly is taking forever to count the votes. This BS doesn't help speed things up.

https://6abc.com/pennsylvania-convention-center-attack-plot-pa-election-2020/7689932/

It is sad to see both sides(both being the thugs in the BLM and assholes on the right wanting to kill and kidnap) taking part in violence. People need to freaking stop and learn to reason again.

look say what you will About BLM
but there is big difference between that and Right wing groups trying to literally kidnap and kill people

The FBI stopping a plot to kill the governor of Michigan goes far beyond any craziness I have ever saw From BLM or even antifa




 

They weren't right wing. They supported BLM. They were just crazy nutjobs.

wrong

 
Seven of them were linked to the Wolverine Watchmen militia


now it maybe true that some of them did have some liberal opinions but make not mistake this was a right wing group

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Its crazy that we now live in world where Florida is now more of red state than Georgia lol

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In many ways this election is now starting to remind me of 2018

It started off as a disappointing election night but as things have gone on and more votes came in
It has become clear that Biden did way better than what I originally thought

As it stands he could end up winning over 300 electoral votes and probably winning 2 red states like GA and AZ

I not going to downplay it what biden and Dems pulled of in GA is a huge accomplishment they all should be very proud of that and Biden owes Stacy Abrams big time  

Also suddenly not only do dems now have GA
the same state also gives them another shot at taking back the senate