COVID-19 Megathread 6: Return of the Omicron

[roxas11]

Shame on Obama.

Shame on Sturgis.

Shame on Lollapalooza.


Anyone organizing or hosting a large gathering like these is doing so at the detriment to overall society.  And possibly creating situations in which people will eventually get sick and die.  I don't care who you are or what party you vote with...there should simply be no large gatherings until it's safe--and it isn't.  Vaccinated or not.  Even if the crowd is 100% vaccinated, as I suspect with the Obama birthday party, even then it sends a terrible message to the rest of the country struggling to get through this; it sends the wrong message and it's discouraging.  He should be sensible enough to realize it, and turning 60 with a bunch of rich celebs at your party sends such an unneeded "elitist" message at the absolute worst time.

And the unvaccinated morons at Sturgis.  I mean, what will it take for these people?  Their kids dying of covid?  Will they listen then?

Wait until the pandemic subsides/ends.

[roxas11]

This is a nightmare

Cases in the UK are going back up yet again

Covid is proving to be the most stubborn virus the world has EVER seen

In 1918, despite how primitive our medical technology was, the flu pandemic was gone in like 1.5 years

The world will be dealing with covid for years and years

A nightmare

We need to stop trying to eradicate it. The goal at this point is vaccines that turn it into a sinus infection

This is awful

In 1918 they did not have to deal with facebook letting idiots post BS like this


social media has played a very destructive role when it came to dealing with Covid and I really do believe that the world would have never been able to eliminate Polio if Facebook had existed back then

[roxas11]

Deaths lagged cases by about two weeks in every previous surge; e.g. nationally cases peaked around Jan 13 and deaths peaked around Jan 26.  And cases have now been rising for well over a month.  

You apparently have not bothered to look and see that in fact deaths ARE going up:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/texas/

As I mentioned earlier though, one would expect longer lag times for a virus with a higher R (because the median hospitalized patient will be more recently infected if infections are rising more rapidly).

There is also likely some degree of underreporting/delayed reporting of deaths (there was in previous surges, which subsequently got revised upwards, but only after the fact).

I know deaths are going up in states with lower vaccinations rates.  They are not going up in states with high vaccination rates.  That was the whole point of my post with the graphs.

Let's review what you said:

It is worth reminding people that there has been absolutely NO surge in covid deaths in blue America (with a small number of local exceptions).

Here's a graph from the Washington Post of the states with the highest current average deaths per 100k residents:

My interpretation of that was that you do not expect deaths to increase in "blue America" if cases keep rising.

If my interpretation of what you said is correct and indeed you would be surprised by deaths (and/or hospitalizations) going up in places like New York and California, then if I were you, I would be prepared to be surprised...

... because cases are already going up in blue states...

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/california/

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/new-york/

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/illinois/

In CA/NY/IL they are all going significantly up, and if you look at pretty much every other state (whether blue or red), you will see the same thing.

It is true that most of the deaths in "blue America" should be expected to occur among unvaccinated people, but your point was not about vaccination status, but about "blue states" vs "red states."

Additionally, some of the deaths in blue states will also be among vaccinated people. How much that is the case is TBD and depends upon how much vaccine efficacy declines over time and is lower for delta, which we don't yet know for sure, but we can look to other countries where we see some indications that efficacy does decline. Those indications are not 100% clear, but they are there nonetheless.

Wait for more data to come out before prematurely declaring victory and imagining that "blue states" have nothing to be worried about and that deaths are not going to rise in blue states also. That is, sadly, a false hope.

cases are going up everwhere but lets not pretend for 1 second that CA/NY/IL are seeing the same  kind of crazy numbers of covid cases that is coming out of the deep south

There is a huge difference between what we are seeing in place like Illinois





Compared to what we are seeing in Florida right now

[roxas11]

There is a huge difference between what we are seeing in place like Illinois


Compared to what we are seeing in Florida right now

I certainly agree with that. But you could have said a similar thing about the way that cases surged in the south ("red states") in the summer of 2020, but things were relatively better in the north ("blue states").

This did not mean that northern/blue states were safe... it just meant that their big surges were coming later (i.e. when it got colder).

As far as Florida goes, just a reminder, but its vaccination rate is pretty much at the national average... The reason why cases, hospitalizations, and deaths are surging in Florida is not that it has an unusually low vaccination rate, because it doesn't.

The reasons why cases are surging there have a lot to do with climate (air conditioning) and tourism. By the time we get to winter, when the climactic conditions are different and it is very cold in the north, then things will be different. Any northern states that still have vaccination rates close to the national average are at grave risk of looking pretty similar to how Florida looks now, because they are going to have a lot more indoor air circulation as people try to keep warm (just as people have been trying to keep cool in Florida in the air conditioning).


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More concretely ---

Currently, Florida is at 59% with 1 dose and 49% fully vaccinated. Illinois is at 63% with 1 dose and 49% fully vaccinated. That is a bit better, but not much. Michigan is at 53% with 1 dose and 49% fully vaccinated - which in fact is worse than Florida. So if you think that what is happening in Florida can't happen in blue states further north just because of vaccination rates, might want to think about that pretty carefully before betting anything important on it.

Not even I, am crazy enough to believe that blue states are somehow magically protected from covid lol

as you correctly pointed out blue states are currently doing a lot better, but that does not mean that they are somehow immune to what is going on in red states because the reality is no state is truly safe until we can get this virus fully under control

[roxas11]

I don't know if this has been posted yet
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1425878518127382533

[roxas11]

Hospitalizations in Louisiana fell by 111


Good news

I'm happy that my home state is finally getting some great news on covid because things has been getting really bad down here. Over the past few days I have lost friends and family member to this damn virus. even my next door neighbor sadly lost her life to covid

So I'm glad there is at least some light at the end of the tunnel and thanks Matty for sharing this awesome news

[roxas11]

Yeah, if you've been spending more of your time on criticizing FL than NY, NJ and MI, you're a hack.

It was similar last year.

FL got hit hard during Summer - DeathSantis.
MI, IL and CA got hit, perhaps, even harder during Fall/Winter - radio silence.

I think this criticism is unfair and unjustified

The fact is Florida is the first state where deaths are higher in this Covid wave than previous ones

No other state so far can make that unfortunate claim and it is simply wrong to call people a hack for being understandably critical of how things are going in the state

Now, having said that if MI, IL and CA gets this bad in the fall, then they should also be called out, but until then Florida is truly in a league of its own

[roxas11]

Biden really declared victory too soon.

I dont buy this at all and if anything had a lot of people simply went out and got the shot we would not even still be in the mess in the first place.

It would be the 1 thing if Biden himself had failed when it came to vaccine distribution, but it's another when a lot of people have decided not to get the vaccine. Biden had evey right to celebrate the fact that the US now has enough vaccines for every American because it is a great achievement that all americans should be very proud of and it was a major victory when it came to fighting covid yet, despite all of that many Americans simply chose not to get the shot


The reality is it is not Joe Biden fault that many people in the county simply refused to get vaccinated and frankly, it's embarrassing that we even had to do those silly Covid Vaccine Lotteries in order to convince people to protect themselves from a deadly virus in the first place. To me this demonstrates just how selfish people are today because nobody ever had to pay off my grandmother when she decided to take her kids to get the Polio vaccine

[roxas11]

I was on a trip to Fernandina Beach, Fla., all week. People have pretty much forgotten about COVID.

An exception was a town on the way home that still has a mask mandate. Someone told me that the motel there was very militant about enforcing it, so I stayed clear of indoor common areas there instead of dealing with that nonsense like it's still March 2020. I also didn't walk around outdoors with a mask.

Its kind of crazy to hear that People have pretty much forgotten about COVID because recently me and my family have been dealing with a covid outbreak

Now in my case it was a breakthrough infection since I had been vaccinated, but many of my other family members had not been vaccinated. I have to say hearing about covid on the news is one thing, but it's nothing compared to seeing just how dangerous this virus is up close. In a span of only a few days people around me started getting very sick and 3 had to be hospitalized because before anybody even knew what hit them the virus had spread like wildfire. I was the only 1 who had mild symptoms

What angers me the most about all of this is that my mother was among those who caught the virus and she actually wanted to get the shot, but was convinced not to do it because other family members showed her some anti-vax BS that they saw on Facebook. she ended getting pneumonia but thankfully she made a very strong recovery and is now doing well. I'm just glad that nobody ended up dying because of this and hopefully this incident will teach many in my family to not listen to what those idiots on Facebook is telling them about the vaccines

[roxas11]

As far as Im concerned Ron DeSantis response to Delta was awful and in my opinion his actions got a lot of people in his state killed.

Now in the case of California their response was defiantly not perfect and nobody should pretend that it was but that is nothing compared to Ron Desantis disastrous handling of Delta in Florida.

During the Delta surge Florida became the first state in the U.S. to experiencie more COVID-19 deaths than during its previous winter peak.

All the political spin in the world is not going to make that damning fact about Florida look any better nor will make it Ron DeSantis look any less incompetent

[roxas11]

The Florida stuff is silly on both sides.

Was Desantis' general approach closer to the ideal initially, and more or less what pretty much everyone eventually settled close to?

Yes

Is Desantis' political operation and instincts those of a control freak which means they have a tendency to lash out violently at the media and try and control information(ie. limit data releases, prohibit the release to counties themselves of death and hospital statistics out of fear they were being used by the media. Being so dependent on political loyalty that in the current climate being too loudly pro-vaccine or mask was seen as loyalty to Fauci/Biden?)

Yes

Did these things rise to level of altering data as opposed to erratically trying to control it?

Nope. We get the death numbers and if anything the gamesmanship with formats may have made them look worse with the rise sharper than it otherwise would have been. Maybe an argument can be made that when the county data was released again for deaths it shows that the second wave hit low vax counties REALLY hard, just like everywhere else but unclear what the agenda here was other than control. There is no evidence there is anything wrong with the numbers we are getting. We are just getting them far later and in a much more confusing format at the cost of far more work on the part of the State.

Did more people die?

This is a trickier one. As is noted here, there are likely multiple facets

Schools Staying Open
Mask bans for kids

Both probably had no impact on deaths or very little

On the other hand some of the grandstanding regarding banning private employers from mandating masks or vaccines especially nursing homes, retirement communities etc almost certainly did.


Basically there is a lot to criticize about Desantis, much of which stems from his decision to pivot from adopting a light touch approach for ideological and scientific reasons in 2021, to then using his association with that approach and its success to "troll the libs" with it in 2021.

I suspect the above will also be the view of many middle of the road Florida voters in 2022. Do they wish DeSantis would tone it down a bit and pay less attention to online Republican twitter/out of state R primary voters? Yes. Do they find his staff and some of his methods abrasive? Yes. But all in all, would they trade that for the alternative, even say a Jeb Bush or Mike Dewine, much less a Charlie Crist. Probably not.

DeSantis almost certainly has annoyed people with this, and his militant online fans are not an asset. But those thinking he has turned into #deathsantis are as delusional as those who put together that idiotic ad.

This 1 line sums up just how horrible and outright evil Ron desantis approach to Delta was...

you called people delusional for saying that Ron turned into #deathsantis yet in your own post even you just acknowledged that his reckless actions did get people killed

[roxas11]

Cases are down 72% statewide and 77% here in Williamson County versus less than four weeks ago.  That means that cases are declining even faster than they rose in August (that same chunk of the rise took almost six weeks statewide and almost seven in WillCo).

I'm really thinking that we now might have herd immunity and expect that we'll be back in the early summer "virtually no covid" range in the next couple months.  Maybe we will get a little ripple in the winter, but I can't see another big wave happening.

I really hope your prediction turns out to be true because at this point I really want this Covid nightmare to finally be over.

It upsets me every time I think about all the family and friends that I have lost because of this damn virus

[roxas11]

I think it’s a bit premature to start declaring victory. People were saying similar things back in June, and look what happened after that. I certainly hope this will be the last major wave, but I find it hard to believe that.

Let me be very clear about this even if this does end up being the final wave I do not on any level see this as some kind of a victory. There is nothing victorious about losing 700,000 people to this virus and if anything we should not be celebrating over something like that

We should be reflecting on what went wrong and how do we take steps to make sure something like this never happens again. Covid may have been inevitable, but our response to it definitely did not have to be as bad as it was.

[roxas11]

In general, why is it that black people seem to have lower vaccination rates than Hispanics/Natives? It’s something that sticks out on that map.

Well as a black person I would say that religion seems to be playing a big role

At least it is when it comes to my family because I have lost count of how many times that I have heard somebody tell me that they think the vaccines are the mark of the beast from the book of revelations because of what some fool on Facebook told them

Unfortunately, social media has actually convinced a lot of them that Covid is a sign of the end times

[roxas11]

In general, why is it that black people seem to have lower vaccination rates than Hispanics/Natives? It’s something that sticks out on that map.

Well as a black person I would say that religion seems to be playing a big role

At least it is when it comes to my family because I have lost count of how many times that I have heard somebody tell me that they think the vaccines are the mark of the beast from the book of revelations because of what some fool on Facebook told them

Unfortunately, social media has actually convinced a lot of them that Covid is a sign of the end times

I'm Korean-American and 60-65% of us, including myself are Christians, nearly all of which are evangelicals. Koreans are among the most religious people there are. Nearly every Korean-owned small businesses have crucifixes, church cassette tapes, or their church calendars.

Yet it's very, very hard to meet a Korean in NY/NJ metro that has not gotten vaccinated yet. Most of them got vaccinated during first few weeks it was available to them.

It's entirely consistent with polls and research showing that Asians are the most likely to be vaccinated.

https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=464953.0

Secondly, blacks are just as likely to get vaccinated once education has been controlled for. I also used to think that religiosity is the primary driver in vaccine skepticism, but I'm not sure that it is anymore.

I agree that religion is not the only factor at play here.

I have said many times in the past I think facebook and social media is the main driver of vaccine skepticism in this country and around the world.

people like this guy are very good at using religion in order to push their anti vaccine message on Facebook and other social media platforms


Unfortunately, his message resonates with a lot of people down here in Louisiana, especially in communities of color

[roxas11]

https://twitter.com/realDailyWire/status/1453370544733229057

I don't think this is even a big deal at this point since Covid Cases have massively declined across the country and even my home state of Louisiana just recently lifted all of our Mask Mandates

Also, it would not surprise me at all if the event most likely had some vaccine requirements in order to get in

[roxas11]

It's weird all of you all are talking about religion being the reason Black vaccination rates are low

But have you considered the facts that show that 64% of U.S. adults who typically attend a Historically Black denomination say that their clergy have encouraged people to get a COVID-19 vaccination, while only 2% say their clergy has discouraged it?

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And then on top of this, regular attenders of historically Black Protestant churches are far, far more likely to have received at least one dose of the COVID-19 vaccine than infrequent attenders (82% vs. 60%).

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When I brought up religion, I was speaking mostly about my own experiences as a black person. I don't personally believe religion is at fault here, but that is what keeps coming up every time a friend or family member tells me why they don't want to get vaccinated.

They either believe that the vaccines are the mark of the beast or they are convinced its the end times because what some idiot on social media told them. I suspect what is really going on here is that a lot of people in my state of lousisna are buying into the conspiracy theories on the internet.

A lot of these Anti-vax people online are using religion as a way to appeal to people who tend be more culturally conservative and because of that our state suffered when Delta hit us

I think Facebook is the main reason for vaccine hesitancy among everyone and as long as it exists I don't believe we will be able to stop any future viruses from spreading

[roxas11]

https://twitter.com/ashishkjha/status/1456598629599354886

Wow this is incredible news and thanks for sharing it Vaccinated Russian Bear

For the first time I think this Covid nightmare may finally be over

[roxas11]

My father is now among the 700,000+ victims of this pernicious and evil disease in this country....

With deepest sympathy, may you have comfort and peace during this time of great loss.

It's never easy to hear news about a parent getting infected with this virus. In August of this year my mother had gotten Covid pneumonia, but thankfully she was able to make a strong recovery.

I like to believe that when we lose someone close to us, like a Father, they still live through us and give us strength. The time we have spent with those we’ve lost makes them a part of us.

[roxas11]

FAUCI dividing American Families by saying you only should sit together with vaccinated people during Thanksgiving. That guy is a LIAR and HOAX!

I never thought I would see this kind of nonsense being posted on here

Here is what fauci actualy said

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1462564230046048258?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwc...


Now to be clear, I have no issue with you being anti Fauci or even anti mask and anti lockdowns. Heck Vaccinated Russian Bear is been pretty clear that he thinks the lockdowns are a bad idea but here is the big difference between him and you


Vaccinated Russian Bear backs up his statements with data and makes a compelling argument for why he feels the way he does about an issue.

You on the other hand just posted something that was a flat out lie simply because you wanted to push more disinformation about Fauci. Had you simply took the time I'm sure you could have found many factual and legitimate reasons to criticize Fauci for

Instead, you decided to just post some lazy BS that you saw on the fox news website...
https://www.foxnews.com/media/fauci-thanksgiving-message-vaccine-family

[roxas11]

People are all shocked cause Fauci is telling the vaccinated to wear a mask.  Yeah.  Cause it's become very obvious that the vaccinated are at much greater risk than initially alleged by Fauci and the many governmental and pharmaceutical actors pushing vaccinations down the throats of every American, and blaming the unvaccinated for all the setbacks that have occurred.  It's every evident that the medical and pharmaceutical community is lying about the number of vaccinated patients that are contracting, trasmiting, and dying from Covid-19, as well as suffering side effects from the injections that you can find videos of on Rumble.  Fauci told people that vaccinated people couldn't catch or spread the virus, which was obvious BS.  People vaccinated with the influenza shot spread it around every year.    You'd have to ignore 100 years of medical science to believe that a vaccine would stop the transmission of a virus that affects the upper and lower respiratory tract, in addition to organs like the kidneys, intestines and colon.  Fauci needs to F-ing go. It's bad enough we can't try that guy and others for crimes against humanity due to funding projects and conducting the experiments that engendered mutated coronaviruses in an unsafe setting. The whole lab-leak denial and cover-up was a F-ing serious violation of public trust.      

To prevent Covid, I wear a mask even though I'm a righty.  I was taught to do so as an EMT.  I believe it protects people from receiving higher loads of viral particles that directly enter nasal and oral pathways when an infected person breaths or talks in your direction.  It's tough for droplets and high loads of viral particles to travel below the small inflow of one's mask, because they usually drop to the ground due to their relative weight in the atmosphere, and the space between the mask and bottom of the chin makes it difficult for high viral loads from penetrating.  A strong ventilation system could pull and redirect coronavirus into the HVAC and above people in a closed space, but the top of the mask usually provides outflow that blows particles way.  Masks also prevent people from surface-to-hand-to-face transmission that quickly occurs when other people touch doors, tables, and chairs after rubbing their nose and mouth.  I might not wear a mask if I'm in a large space or sitting outdoors.  I think the reason people do not wear masks is due to government and democrat authoritative messaging that fails to provide the common sense reasons people should wear a mask.  

Also, if you want to keep people from overwhelming the hospitals, both vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals with health issues like cancer and heart disease need to go for Monoclonal Anti-body therapy.  I think most people that got the treatment were vaccinated patients with serious issues.  The biggest benefit from such treatments is that it can work on multiple infections.  One of the issues doctors and hospitals found this summer was a resurgence of serious cold, RSV, and influenza infections that were attacking the upper respiratory system along with Covid-19.  Rhinovirus competes with, and mostly wins out against, Covid-19 in the upper respiratory tract, while covid-19 attacks the lower respiratory tract, as well as organs like the kidneys, lungs, intestines, and immune cells.  Coronavirus has been observed triggering severe infections of the common cold, COPD, and Asthma for over 40 years.  A study from march found that 15-30% of coronavirus infections triggered common colds while also infecting the lower respiratory tract, and consequently, other serious infections in the lungs like pneumonia.  I would argue that coronavirus is responsible for the significant increase in serious rhinovirus infections, and the study found that the worst cold, asthma COPD, etc. symptoms were among the old and immunocompromised patients. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7204879/

The monoclonal antibodies are great biologics that target specific illnesses, but have been repeatedly observed combating a host of other illnesses.  The FDA is constantly expanding treatment of antibody treatments.  Dupixent is an example of a monoclonal antibody that combats dermatitis, Rhinosinositus, upper respiratory infection and inflamation with nasal polyps, and Asthma.  I'm sure everyone has seen the pharmaceutical commercial with the guy taking his shirt off to jump in the pool and dancing with a floatation device.  

2016 should take some notes because if you are going to go after fauci this is how it's done

I may not agree with Hollywood but I at least respect the fact this is willing to take the time to actually explain why he feels do the way he does while also using solid data to back up his points

I think that is far better than just posting a complete lie about fauci and calling him a HOAX! Lol

[roxas11]

I took it as more he's urging you to wear a mask (if you don't know if the people you're with are vaccinated).

Obviously if you don't want to wear a mask at Thanksgiving, and your host isn't telling you to wear a mask, then you don't have to.

Even if the people you're with are vaccinated, they can still spread Covid-19 to you and your family whether or not you wear a mask.  You're sitting down at the kitchen table where there is likely to be a vent pushing dry air across the room, and people touching the same dishes and utensils before shoving food into their mouth.  If you can't trust people to notify you of an ailment, then you should just stay home.  Everyone I know will stay home if they have a scratchy throat.  

Obviously I don't have to wear a mask if I don't want to wear a mask and the host isn't demanding everyone wear a mask.  That's going to be every host that's ballsy enough to throw a party, including Democrats who BS about following the guidelines.  

Fauci is F-ing idiot that people stopped listening to him when it was revealed in documents and e-mails that he took part in the covid mutation experiments in China, and tried to cover up the laboratory origins of the virus that was likely deleted from the Wuhan database.  The man is a monster.  

I don't agree with any of this at all but I will say this statement does raise questions about Fauci Future

I think we can all agree that Fauci has Became a Political Lightning Rod for those on the right and that does make him a less effective messenger when it comes to being the face of the Biden pandemic response. At this point Fauci is simply too overexposed and much of what he says will simply be ignored by half the people in the county even if what he is saying is true.

Now I'm not naive about this I know that in these polarizing times any scientists who replaces Fauci will also be portrayed as the devil by at least some of the right, but the advantage of going with somebody new if that a it will be a fresh start for most Americans

Fauci remind people of the trump years and every time Americans think of him, they remember the many controversies that took place during the pandemic, including the never ending fight over the origins of the virus

Now, as said at the start of this I personally have nothing against Dr Fauci I just think in the end we may need someone new if we're going to actually help people in more conservative areas in the county

[roxas11]

I said before and I will say it again this is the worst thing that could have ever happened to Humanity....



There is doubt in my mind that social media played a destructive role during this pandemic. Because of sites like Facebook being Anti-Vax and Anti-Mask became mainstream among politicians and certain celebrities. Even Red state governors nowadays seem to quickly jump on Twitter or Facebook in order to tell their voters that they are passing laws against vaccine mandates and requiring kids to wear masks

something like that would have never happened in the 90s and because of these social media websites disinformation about mask and vaccines spread faster among people than the delta virus ever did

I honestly believe that we would have never gotten rid of Polio had it showed during the Facebook era

[roxas11]

Defund, abolish, and indict for negligent homicide the leadership of the CDC and FDA immediately.
https://twitter.com/natesilver538/status/1463984535708786692?s=21

Why does Biden allow this almost criminal sluggishness? We all know, that had Trump been in office, he'd fire Fauci and force them to approve TRUMP PILLS. Moreover, Beautiful TRUMP PILLS would be sent for free to everyone by mail (excluding Enemy of the People - no TRUMP PILLS for them).

Actually the Trump administration ultimately declined to fund the antiviral covid pill by Merck. the drug was first presented to the Trump administration in the fall of 2019 but one group of HHS officials was pushing for the federal government to fund what they saw as a promising new drug. Another group was skeptical of the data available, and the process by which the funding was being requested.

This fight lead to Trump administration not funding the pill and In late February of last year, the Emory researcher and Ridgeback Biotherapeutics asked for federal funding of the drug again, but Officials fought again, and ultimately once again declined to fund the drug.


https://www.axios.com/before-merck-backed-covid-antiviral-trump-admin-turned-it-down-e8bdc409-0f3d-44e6-9a74-14ec0ed60c78.html

This decsion's actually delayed the development of the drug.

[roxas11]

I said before and I will say it again this is the worst thing that could have ever happened to Humanity....



There is doubt in my mind that social media played a destructive role during this pandemic. Because of sites like Facebook being Anti-Vax and Anti-Mask became mainstream among politicians and certain celebrities. Even Red state governors nowadays seem to quickly jump on Twitter or Facebook in order to tell their voters that they are passing laws against vaccine mandates and requiring kids to wear masks

something like that would have never happened in the 90s and because of these social media websites disinformation about mask and vaccines spread faster among people than the delta virus ever did

I honestly believe that we would have never gotten rid of Polio had it showed during the Facebook era

You’re a silly goose.  I remember when Biden blamed his failure to reach vaccination goals on Facebook earlier this summer, because that’s been his game for the last year.  I have such a vivid memory of it.  

So Biden and other Democrats told people not to take the vaccination in November and December of last year cause it was acquired by Trump, and he’s not to be trusted in any regard.  Then Biden and the Democrats tried to take credit for his vaccine accomplishment.  https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/07/31/cdcr-j31.html

Then you had the Biden Administration fabricate this nonsense about the vaccinated not being able to contract or spread Covid-19, but the unvaccinated people were capable of transferring it to vaccinated people, somehow.   Everyone knew he was lying, because there was data from overseas that was being suppressed by scientific journals and news outlets.  Suddenly, Fauci starts claiming that they just received this study demonstrating that vaccinated people can spread Covid-19.  
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/07/31/cdcr-j31.html

Also, the premise of your argument is such crap, because countries like Portugal have an 86% vaccination rate, and still can’t get handle on Covid-19.  I won’t believe it until the Administration provides total transparency to the public when it comes to the data collected by patients.  No time in the Trump Administration was it ever so bad that we weren’t getting such shoddy information.  The only party that hid Covid-19 cases and deaths was the Democrats in New York, so they could cover up the nursing home deaths.  Yet, Democrats still lie about DeSantis hiding data.  No.  Democrats have a track record of lying about vital data, so they need to bend over backwards to accommodate the suspicions of the American people.  
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cuomo-aides-overruled-health-officials-in-bid-to-hide-nursing-home-deaths-report/ar-BB1gaWrW

What about your misinformation?  Why is it your party was telling BLM guys that they could express their first amendment rights last year, but Jews expressing their rights in NYC needed to be rounded up?  Why is it okay that Democrats are allowed to violently riot and campaign, but Republicans aren’t allowed?  Why are the Trump supporters that go attend a rally super-spreaders, but violent protestors attempting an insurrection at the White House just a peaceful protestors?   It’s clear that the Democrat Party’s only move is lying when it’s convenient and blaming others when they don’t trust you for lying.  Democrats had a recovering economy, vaccine and numerous other treatments, and majority-proof Senate.  But Biden’s Administration could handle a single problem.  The guy finally realized that he screwed himself and destroyed his legacy by picking a fight with the Saudis (ally) and Russians when he needed them more than any other nation.  Respectfully, the Democrats can go F-off.  They do have no right to expect others to trust their judgment.  

I’ve literally heard all your talking points from earlier this summer.  I continue to encourage Democrats to blame everyone they can for Biden’s failure.   Keep blaming Trump.  I’m going to laugh on election night when Democrats are crying when Donald J. Trump is re-elected President.  I didn’t think Democrats could pull it off.  

Call me, whatever you like
I stand by my view that nothing good has come of giving these men all of this power



Even trump himself sees just how powerful the CEO of twitter is. Rather, you agree with trump or not I think it's terrifying that these men literally have the power to silence the president if they really wanted to. Angela Merkel is no trump fan, but even she saw that it was problematic that twitter has the power to permanently suspend a president if they do not like what that president has to say


Letting these social media platforms get increasingly more powerful is a threat to all of us no matter which side of the aisle you are on. I think we can all agree that Mark Zuckerberg and Jack Dorsey should have a level of power that they currently have