Excellent Ad Destroys GOP On Abortion

[Person Man]

“ In the name of God the father, Jesus the son and the Holy Spirit and in the name of Jesus and Joseph and Mary, and in accordance with the laws of the great state and church of Texas, I am placing you under arrest”.

[Person Man]

The left just doesn’t understand the right at all.

That's why were in not in the right. This is like saying that a Dog is not a Cat.

[Person Man]

lmao

#GOPHandmaidsTale is preaching to the choir if I ever saw it.  

That’s precisely the point. What’s even crazier is that the personhood laws being passed are no more popular than a ban on interracial marriage. Gallup has such a law at 3% and for this one, like six or 7%. At least according to the last BBC poll that had Biden at 39.

[Person Man]

The left just doesn’t understand the right at all. 

Or vice versa.

Strong ad.

Won't change much about the midterms though. Single issue abortion voters barely exist and Americans are worried about other stuff these days. The fundamentals remain the same; we're having a midterm during a D-admin with a prez in low 40s approvals.

But,

The short-term consequences of constitutionalizing the abortion issue were powerful and positive for the pro-choice movement. The long-term consequences were disastrous. Roe v. Wade provided the religious right and the conservative wing of the Republican Party one of the best organizing tools and rallying cries imaginable. The right-to-life movement was energized by this decision and became one of the most potent political forces both nationally and in a large number of states. At the same time, the pro-choice movement became lethargic, celebrating its great judicial victory and neglecting the hard work of organizing and fund-raising -- at least in the beginning.
Roe v. Wade helped secure the presidency for Ronald Reagan by giving him a "free" issue. It was free because he -- and other right-to-life Republicans -- could strongly oppose all abortion without alienating moderate Republican women and men who favored a woman's right to choose but felt secure in the knowledge that the Supreme Court would continue to protect that right, regardless of what Reagan and others said or did. Abortion thus became the most important issue for right-wing religious zealots and a marginal issue for moderate Republicans who favored a woman's right to choose but who also supported the Republicans' economic and other programs. This helped to destroy the moderate wing of the Republican Party (the so-called Rockefeller Republicans) and drove former moderates such as the elder George Bush to the right. (He started as a pro-choice Republican and ended up as a right-to-life Republican whose hands were tied by the Supreme Court.)
Though Roe v. Wade is still the law, that decision -- and the ensuing power of the right-to-life lobby -- almost certainly pressured Republican presidents to nominate activist right-wing justices such as Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas. (Alan Dershowitz, "Supreme Injustice," published 2001, pages 193-194.)

Now that Roe is apparently going to be reversed, the exact opposite political effect will occur. Pro-choice activists will become just as energized as the pro-lifers were, while the pro-life movement can readily sit back and become as lackadaisical as the pro-choicers were for the last 49 years. Ending Roe could also re-invigorate the moderate Republicans who always have been pro-choice but could sit back and rely on the Supreme Court, and grassroots supporters such as those could start lobbying their state legislators that they do not want to impose significant bans on abortion. They could threaten to become Democrats if they don't get their way. So the short-term consequence of a decision like this could be a boon to the pro-lifers, but the long-term consequences could be that they ultimately lose more and more power. All of this bodes well for the Democratic Party and for pro-choicers in general.

My guess is that because of the unique business cycle that by 2025, abortion will probably be banned in every red state and swing state. Outside of the 16 states that explicitly have legal abortion, I can see New Hampshire, Virginia, and MAYBE PA, NM, and MN. So I expect abortion to be legal in maybe 19 or 20 states, and in the worst case 17 or states by the mid 2020s. On the other hand, by the early 2030s, I can abortion eventually being legal or at least tolerated in all of the state I mentioned plus Georgia, North Carolina, Alaska, Michigan and MAYBE Texas, Wisconsin, and Florida.

At a certain point, things will stabilize where there are enough places where abortion is tolerated and where abortion is a serious crime and at that point, the issue probably fades into irrelevance.

[Person Man]

What I noticed is that the ad came out the same day as the draft leak. There’s no way they could have thrown it together that quickly.

They've had fifty years.

I meant between the publication of the Politico article and the release of the video. According to Twitter it came out after just one hour.

     To be fair, they probably made it months ago and were waiting to drop it if news broke that Roe would fall. Ads are most effective when they are topical, and waiting to make one from scratch in response to foreseeable if not guaranteed events is not wise.

If the 90% chance that Roe is overturned happens, it was put into motion when RBG croaked. That's six months' notice.

[Person Man]

Not a single swing voter will ever see anything Meidas Touch produces but they'll rake in millions from resisters for making these silly ads.

If the ad makes money, it's a success, right?

[Person Man]

The left just doesn’t understand the right at all.

This is a curious statement. My reply is, who wants to understand the right? I would have to go backwards in time and think hard about too many negative things about how the left is evil, how the left is radical, how the left are "baby killers" and how the left wants to coddle the poor and immigrants.

I just don't believe those things. Why doesn't the right come into the 21st century and start behaving like human beings and not terrorists, white supremists, bigots, racists, and small-minded thinkers? And especially stop trying to control women's bodies. You know, join in the modern times.

I hope they do too. I’ve seen several articles where a strong case is needed for a truly conservative political movement to stabilize a country. The problem is how do you deal with so many degrees and flavors of conservative and reactionary thought.

[Person Man]

Not a single swing voter will ever see anything Meidas Touch produces but they'll rake in millions from resisters for making these silly ads.

If the ad makes money, it's a success, right?

Average McGrath staffer

That’s half of it. An incomplete strategy is not a wrong strategy if it is finished.

[Person Man]

The left just doesn’t understand the right at all.

Do you deny that this sort of thing is going to happen in states that ban abortion?

Yes

Fool.

Any particular reason why, or is this just part of your general childlike myopia?

There aren’t gonna be checks by cops just cause someone is pregnant. Saying  so is absolutely ridiculous

They are already compiling medical records so that they will know who is pregnant. Maybe you right. Maybe it will be "just like weed" but these absolute zero tolerance laws are about as popular as laws making it to be interracially married or gay. That doesn't stop 20 states from having them.

[Person Man]

lmao

#GOPHandmaidsTale is preaching to the choir if I ever saw it.  

That’s precisely the point. What’s even crazier is that the personhood laws being passed are no more popular than a ban on interracial marriage. Gallup has such a law at 3% and for this one, like six or 7%. At least according to the last BBC poll that had Biden at 39.

What specifically are the personhood laws being passed?  Where can I find these polls?

There aren’t gonna be checks by cops just cause someone is pregnant. Saying  so is absolutely ridiculous

They are already compiling medical records so that they will know who is pregnant. Maybe you right. Maybe it will be "just like weed" but these absolute zero tolerance laws are about as popular as laws making it to be interracially married or gay. That doesn't stop 20 states from having them.

"They are already compiling medical records"  
Who is "They" ?

21 states will have a total ban on all abortions when Dobbs is published.
Missouri Department of Health and Planned Parenthood.
NBC. Gallup.

[Person Man]

lmao

#GOPHandmaidsTale is preaching to the choir if I ever saw it. 

That’s precisely the point. What’s even crazier is that the personhood laws being passed are no more popular than a ban on interracial marriage. Gallup has such a law at 3% and for this one, like six or 7%. At least according to the last BBC poll that had Biden at 39.

What specifically are the personhood laws being passed?  Where can I find these polls?

There aren’t gonna be checks by cops just cause someone is pregnant. Saying  so is absolutely ridiculous

They are already compiling medical records so that they will know who is pregnant. Maybe you right. Maybe it will be "just like weed" but these absolute zero tolerance laws are about as popular as laws making it to be interracially married or gay. That doesn't stop 20 states from having them.

"They are already compiling medical records" 
Who is "They" ?

21 states will have a total ban on all abortions when Dobbs is published.
Missouri Department of Health and Planned Parenthood.
NBC. Gallup.

States having a ban on abortion does not mean cops will stop pregnant women at the state border.   

Many states have bans on fireworks for unlicensed users. Do police routinely stop people at the state border to make sure people aren't going to next the state to buy them?

I think abortion is a little bit different from fireworks, don’t you think? Unless these people really don’t mind people getting abortions and that they just don’t want to live near an abortion clinic.

[Person Man]

lmao

#GOPHandmaidsTale is preaching to the choir if I ever saw it. 

That’s precisely the point. What’s even crazier is that the personhood laws being passed are no more popular than a ban on interracial marriage. Gallup has such a law at 3% and for this one, like six or 7%. At least according to the last BBC poll that had Biden at 39.

What specifically are the personhood laws being passed?  Where can I find these polls?

There aren’t gonna be checks by cops just cause someone is pregnant. Saying  so is absolutely ridiculous

They are already compiling medical records so that they will know who is pregnant. Maybe you right. Maybe it will be "just like weed" but these absolute zero tolerance laws are about as popular as laws making it to be interracially married or gay. That doesn't stop 20 states from having them.

"They are already compiling medical records" 
Who is "They" ?

21 states will have a total ban on all abortions when Dobbs is published.
Missouri Department of Health and Planned Parenthood.
NBC. Gallup.

States having a ban on abortion does not mean cops will stop pregnant women at the state border.   

Many states have bans on fireworks for unlicensed users. Do police routinely stop people at the state border to make sure people aren't going to next the state to buy them?

I think abortion is a little bit different from fireworks, don’t you think? Unless these people really don’t mind people getting abortions and that they just don’t want to live near an abortion clinic.

How about guns then instead of fireworks?

Is there any precedent at all here for this hypothetical enforcement, with any kind of law, for something that is legal in one state and not in another?

Drugs?

There is no analogy. Some people consider abortion a matter of conscience and self-determination  and others as the same as busting a cap on a 6 year old. My IR professor in college said that in the 80s and 90s this came up a lot before abortion was tolerated in Germany but when it was already legal in the Netherlands. She said cops would just be waiting for these women as they were heading home.

[Person Man]

lmao

#GOPHandmaidsTale is preaching to the choir if I ever saw it. 

That’s precisely the point. What’s even crazier is that the personhood laws being passed are no more popular than a ban on interracial marriage. Gallup has such a law at 3% and for this one, like six or 7%. At least according to the last BBC poll that had Biden at 39.

What specifically are the personhood laws being passed?  Where can I find these polls?

There aren’t gonna be checks by cops just cause someone is pregnant. Saying  so is absolutely ridiculous

They are already compiling medical records so that they will know who is pregnant. Maybe you right. Maybe it will be "just like weed" but these absolute zero tolerance laws are about as popular as laws making it to be interracially married or gay. That doesn't stop 20 states from having them.

"They are already compiling medical records" 
Who is "They" ?

21 states will have a total ban on all abortions when Dobbs is published.
Missouri Department of Health and Planned Parenthood.
NBC. Gallup.

States having a ban on abortion does not mean cops will stop pregnant women at the state border.   

Many states have bans on fireworks for unlicensed users. Do police routinely stop people at the state border to make sure people aren't going to next the state to buy them?

 

If they make a traffic stop based on a broken tail light and see any additional leading them to believe illegal fireworks are being transported, yes, absolutely. And indeed many of these stops are being manufactured on the basis of out-of-state license plates, staring straight ahead and avoiding glancing at the officers car when passing, locking up their arms rigidly on the steering wheel, etc etc etc.

If abortion is a crime, then yes, these criteria used in the drug war absolutely be used to determine whether an existence of a crime, like abortion may be happening. Traffic stops and arrests absolutely will occur.

The myopia of the anti-abortion activists on this thread wanting to effectively cover their ears and scream " la la la la la la la I can't hear you I can't hear you I can't hear you!" Regarding the harsh realities of what they have wrought is very telling indeed.

They want what they want and nobody’s going to change that.

[Person Man]

lmao

#GOPHandmaidsTale is preaching to the choir if I ever saw it. 

That’s precisely the point. What’s even crazier is that the personhood laws being passed are no more popular than a ban on interracial marriage. Gallup has such a law at 3% and for this one, like six or 7%. At least according to the last BBC poll that had Biden at 39.

What specifically are the personhood laws being passed?  Where can I find these polls?

There aren’t gonna be checks by cops just cause someone is pregnant. Saying  so is absolutely ridiculous

They are already compiling medical records so that they will know who is pregnant. Maybe you right. Maybe it will be "just like weed" but these absolute zero tolerance laws are about as popular as laws making it to be interracially married or gay. That doesn't stop 20 states from having them.

"They are already compiling medical records" 
Who is "They" ?

21 states will have a total ban on all abortions when Dobbs is published.
Missouri Department of Health and Planned Parenthood.
NBC. Gallup.

States having a ban on abortion does not mean cops will stop pregnant women at the state border.   

Many states have bans on fireworks for unlicensed users. Do police routinely stop people at the state border to make sure people aren't going to next the state to buy them?

I think abortion is a little bit different from fireworks, don’t you think? Unless these people really don’t mind people getting abortions and that they just don’t want to live near an abortion clinic.

How about guns then instead of fireworks?

Is there any precedent at all here for this hypothetical enforcement, with any kind of law, for something that is legal in one state and not in another?

Drugs?

This. It will take you about 90 seconds doing an internet search to find many news stories of places like Nebraska which aggressively Patrol and seek to interdict people coming from Colorado with weed legally purchased there.

Are they interdicting people going from Nebraska to Colorado before they have purchased drugs based just on a determination of intent?  That would be the analogy with the video.

In 2014, I was pulled over for going 74 in a 65 on US-287 from Laramie, Wyoming to Fort Collins, Colorado. The patrolwoman seemed very disappointed when she only wrote me a ticket for speeding and that I wasn't doing anything "illegal".

[Person Man]

So don't tell me that the government isn't willing or capable of setting up intrusive 'just in case' checkpoints at state lines.

The Republican playbook nowadays is "tell them it won't happen" and then say "it isn't a big deal" when it happpens. They'll DEFINITELY keep telling you it won't happen, right up until it happens.

Yep.

That's how the after Barrett was confirmed the Supreme Court got rid of Obamacare and helped Trump steal the election. And the internet doesn't work anymore because Net Neutrality is gone.

Give it time, Young right-wing hack Padawan

In time he will be knowledgeable enough in the force to defeat you Lord Badger

Sithposting is a lot harder than it looks, son.