Biden VP news megathread (pg 286 - been selected, announcement could be today)

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Biden picking a VP in August makes the most sense. It also in my opinion boosts Klobuchar (and Whitmer) and might hurt Warren. If he wanted Warren it makes sense to have her for fundraising during June/July and announce early. Harris to a lesser extent due to her fundraising ability doesn't make much sense either late.

If Biden is worried about base rants about Amy, he is best announcing her right before the convention so the naysayers get drowned out by positive coverage.

LOL, just stop it man.

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It's going to come down to Harris or Whitmer. If Biden wants the midwest moderate, Klobuchar doesn't make as much sense today.

Whitmer?

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Lucy McBath would be good too, she has a personal story about racism, etc, and she is from Georgia as well.

You just like throwing out random names don't you? LMAO.

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Just pick Kamala Harris lol

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Kamala is disqualified based on her refusal to investigate the shootings of Ezell Ford and Mario woods. She has lots of other bag is in my opinion but this is the stuff that’s relevant now. His best bet is to take Warren or Presley to reach out, or Susan Rice or Tammy Duckworth to double down on his brand. I wish Stacey Abrams was still in contention stacey Abrams was still in contention But because of our dumb notion’s of what it means to be a “qualified“ candidate, she’s not

Well, tough luck buddy. Kamala is most likely going to be Biden's running mate. What are you going to do then?

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https://mobile.twitter.com/merica/status/1266460796214804480

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Why is the list of black women so short? Why not look at someone like Tish James, Who has won a state wide election, and is a former public defender? There are plenty of black women Who were not corrupt prosecutors . And don’t give me that “nobody knows them“ Argument. This election is a referendum between decency and chaos. The majority of voters don’t even watch the primary anyway. They’re not gonna be overly familiar with whoever he selects, and that will not make a difference. Well will make amThis selection is a referendum between decency and chaos. Good majority of voters don’t even watch the primary anyway. They’re not going to be overly familiar with whoever he pigs in the beginning. And that confusion is not going to matter. What is going to matter is what the media digs up on the record a month, two months into the Campaign. And that’s where Harris will unravel. Why settle for her?

State-level elected officials below Governor are simply never considered for VP, ever.

Given that Biden clearly wants a Veep with at least some experience, he's only looking at candidates who are in the House, Senate or have held a cabinet position

There are still plenty of black women within that category who we've never or rarely heard touted.

Which ones?

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Why is the list of black women so short? Why not look at someone like Tish James, Who has won a state wide election, and is a former public defender? There are plenty of black women Who were not corrupt prosecutors . And don’t give me that “nobody knows them“ Argument. This election is a referendum between decency and chaos. The majority of voters don’t even watch the primary anyway. They’re not gonna be overly familiar with whoever he selects, and that will not make a difference. Well will make amThis selection is a referendum between decency and chaos. Good majority of voters don’t even watch the primary anyway. They’re not going to be overly familiar with whoever he pigs in the beginning. And that confusion is not going to matter. What is going to matter is what the media digs up on the record a month, two months into the Campaign. And that’s where Harris will unravel. Why settle for her?

State-level elected officials below Governor are simply never considered for VP, ever.

Given that Biden clearly wants a Veep with at least some experience, he's only looking at candidates who are in the House, Senate or have held a cabinet position

There are still plenty of black women within that category who we've never or rarely heard touted.

Which ones?

Sticking to candidates younger than Biden and not counting House members: Carol Moseley-Braun, Alexis Herman, Loretta Lynch and Lisa Jackson don't seem to have been mentioned at all.

Carol Moseley-Braun & Alexis Herman are too old (both in their 70s) and have been out of the political spotlight for 2 decades. It would be very random for Joe to pick either of them.

Loretta Lynch is not a politician and she would be useless as VP because she has no real understanding of the Senate/Congress.

Lisa P. Jackson is not a bad pick theoretically. However, she was just the EPA Director during Obama's first term and hardly anyone on a national level knows her. That's just not enough qualifications. Biden will be in his late 70s/early 80s and potentially thrusting a former EPA Director (with no other federal experience) into the Oval Office is not necessarily the best idea.

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She has Willie Brown and excess political correctness going for her

Ignorance.

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Val Demings is relatively unknown outside of the Orlando area. She's not going to help Biden win Florida and Biden doesn't need to win Florida.

I seriously don't know why you guys just like to say random things.

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Good. If Biden is elected, the 2022 midterms will be bad for Democrats. We'd have a better chance of holding her seat if we have the incumbent running.

I mean, not super much? The map is very good for Democrats https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_United_States_Senate_elections

New Mexico is safe anyway.

New Mexico? She's from Nevada lol.

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The Unexpected Case for a Susan Rice Vice Presidency

Joe Biden’s concern about the national-security impact of the coronavirus has led him to weigh picking the Obama-administration national security adviser Susan Rice as his running mate, according to several people who’ve spoken privately with the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee in recent weeks.

Rice is well known in Washington, but has a much lower national profile than most of the other women being considered, and comes with few conventional political upsides. She isn’t particularly likely to be selected, people inside the campaign say (some who have spoken about her with Biden see her as a more likely pick for secretary of defense or secretary of state), and Rice has told confidants that she knows that.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/05/biden-vice-president-susan-rice/612115/

Also, from that story, Rice’s comments on whether she’d take the job:

Rice told me that she’s ready to be picked, if that’s where this process lands.

“I am honored, honestly, and I’m humbled that I might be being considered,” she said, “and I really truly care only about doing all I can to get Joe Biden elected and Donald Trump retired, because I truly deeply believe that the fate of our country depends on it.” She added, “I’ll help in whatever way I can and if that’s licking envelopes and raising money, that’s fine, and if it’s serving in a much more senior capacity, if that’s what Vice President Biden thinks makes sense, that’s fine, too.”

Go away Susan Rice!

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Would Oprah Winfrey be a decent dark horse VP pick for Biden perhaps?

She brings money, positive name ID and goodwill, and the implication that she may run in 2024. It could be a "return to normalcy" ticket.

The issue is that she would obviously overshadow the nominee which goes against conventional wisdom.

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Some of you are being disingenuously anti-Kamala. Also, how can some of you say Biden should pick Val Demings or Amy Klobuchar but not Kamala? It just makes no sense and is very *interesting* to say the least.


I don't oppose Elizabeth Warren being the VP but I personally think that 2 old White people at the top of the ticket is just a bad look in 2020. We're supposed to be the party of racial diversity and youth and yet these are the 2 people we choose to lead us?

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Has Biden signaled when he might decide by? I haven't been checking this thread in a while.

August 1st.

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https://twitter.com/AprilDRyan/status/1268541259418931202?s=20

Some people in those comments are really OK with Susan Rice being VP? Ugh, no wonder people rant about "moderate/centrist" Democrats.

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If we could appoint someone Vice President, I'd probably pick Susan Rice.

But alas, electability is important. And so is experience.

And the only person who fits both is Kamala Harris.

Biden/Harris 2020

I agree with you on Harris.

However, why in the world would you support Susan Rice? What is appealing about Susan Rice? She would be a HORRIBLE VP pick.

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Why is KLB being considered but Lori Lightfoot, mayor of Chicago, is not? Is it just because Lightfoot has been mayor for only 1 year while KLB has been mayor for 3?

Um, why should Lightfoot be considered lol?

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Harris declined to prosecute and therefore gave Safeharbor to The cops that killed Mario woods and Alan Blueford. If y’all don’t think that’s gonna be Weaponized by Russia and others to depress African-American turn out, I would like some of whatever your smoking

I want whatever you're smoking because what are you talking about? Also, literally NO ONE CARES lol.

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She's Mayor of Atlanta which is the biggest Airport Hub in America, she's shown tremendous leadership in the last few months, she's an early Biden supporter from Last Summer, she has no baggage from a past in prosecution, she's been extremely tough on her Police Department and shown she'll discipline when necessary and from at Battleground State. I like Harris & Demings too, any of those 3 I support along with Warren & Duckworth. I would say those are the Top 3 right now Harris, KLB, Demings, Warren & Duckworth. Those 5 are all extremely good choices.

Biden should pick Steve Cohen because Memphis is a major cargo airport.
Also Hartsfield-Jackson isn't in Atlanta.

Parts of Hartfield-Jackson is within the city limits of Atlanta. Also, the airport serves Metro Atlanta.

I'm not saying KLB should be picked because of this though lol.

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Biden should pick Steve Cohen because Memphis is a major cargo airport.
Also Hartsfield-Jackson isn't in Atlanta.

Parts of Hartfield-Jackson is within the city limits of Atlanta. Also, the airport serves Metro Atlanta.

I'm not saying KLB should be picked because of this though lol.

There's an exclave of the city that allows Delta's headquarters to have an Atlanta address, yes, but the airport proper is not meaningfully so — if you land on the northernmost runway you will briefly pass through Atlanta, but you will both touchdown and come to a stop outside of city limits.

More broadly, I'm not convinced that existing within a large metropolitan area means KLB is any more qualified to be president. She does have to work with other metropolitan leaders and the state government, which could be good preparation for a federal bureaucracy, but the same could be said about the mayor of Sandy Springs or Roswell, and nobody's trying to get them to be VP.

Did you not read the last sentence I typed?

Anyways, who do you think should be VP?

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Lance Bottoms has the quality of *not* having a background in law enforcement, something Harris & Demings don’t. Like it or not, it matters if the base of the party turns out to vote. Law and order voters are unlikely to vote for the Democrat anyway, so why go out of your way to appeal to them?

Looting and arson make white voters very nervous.

Law enforcement background would reassure nervous white voters. Most of them are not going to come out and directly and said that that is what they want, but it works subconsciously.

If she can prove she’s got the policy chops to do the job, KLB is by far and away a more palatable choice for young voters, particularly the young African Americans leading the protests across the nation.

It would be a tough case to make that a black cop or a black prosecutor is racist toward blacks.

Also, the people who go around yelling "abolish the police" have no clue what they really want

If the police are abolished, another authority -- probably the military -- is going to have to enforce the laws.

Duckworth and Warren would both be fine choices, least of all because they’re less likely to run in 2024. Nobody wants President Harris or President Demings.

And how do you know that "Nobody wants President Harris or President Demings"?

1) Putting a black cop on the ticket isn’t gonna reassure white voters who are more worried about looting than the corruption and unprovoked murder of black people by said police. Those voters are the same ones Hillary chased in 2016.
2) Nobody’s saying Harris/Demings are racist, nor is anyone saying abolish the police. We’re saying these institutions need structural reform. Demings didn’t do that in Orlando as Chief, and Kamala has a mixed record at best of doing so in Sacramento as AG.
3) I’d say Harris dropping out before Iowa shows that Democratic voters don’t want her as President. Demings is a complete unknown, which no, isn’t a good thing. We don’t have the time to define a VP candidate. Of the 2 I’d pick Harris because she already has an identity in national politics, albeit a polarizing one.

I'm sorry, but that is a terrible argument.  How do you think Harris would have fared if South Carolina, or some other diverse state was the first state to hold a primary?  Ignoring the fact that the primary calendar is biased in favor of candidates with appeal from white voters and against candidates with appeal from non-white voters (who happen to be the base of the Democratic party) is foolish.

Now, if we were talking about the Republican party, I think you can deduce a lot more from Iowa/New Hampshire polls/votes, because those states more closely remember the party as a whole.

Biden got just under 1% in the 2008 Iowa Caucus and then dropped out.  He didn't take it as a sign no one ever wanted him as president (or vice president).

Harris could have stuck around to get 1% in Iowa if she really wanted to, lol.

Both of you said exactly what I wanted to say. Thanks!

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Question - I don’t think either is a great choice, but why does Bottoms keep getting mentioned but not Bowser?

KLB is from Georgia, a swing state and supposedly she can help Biden win Georgia. Muriel Bowser is the mayor of DC, which is the most Democratic city in the country. Also, DC is not a state and not apart of any state.

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Question - I don’t think either is a great choice, but why does Bottoms keep getting mentioned but not Bowser?

KLB is from Georgia, a swing state and supposedly she can help Biden win Georgia. Muriel Bowser is the mayor of DC, which is the most Democratic city in the country. Also, DC is not a state and not apart of any state.

It looks bad to pick VP purely for identity politics purpose.

I don't support choosing KLB (not necessarily opposed to Biden choosing her either). She's unlikely to be picked regardless.

Anyways, how would picking her be "purely for identity politics"?

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Question - I don’t think either is a great choice, but why does Bottoms keep getting mentioned but not Bowser?

Bowser endorsed Bloomberg IIRC.

Oh yeah, that too. She should stay far away from the White House.