The Atlas Asylum of absurd/ignorant posts IX

[Politician]

I'd pick Ukraine, at least they have more unity against their oppressors. Here half the population supports the oppressors.

[Politician]

Florida Democrats tried to use the Parkland shooting in 2018 to try and humiliate DeSantis, Scott, and Republicans across the state as well. This is not going to work.

The GOP could detonate a nuke in Milwaukee and ElectionsGuy would be out here like "look how out of touch these elitist liberals are, there's no way this is going to play well with voters." Not everything is campaigning, man! Many people are just distraught that we keep sacrificing schoolchildren as a matter of state policy!

[Politician]

"Republican"

Who knows? Maybe the GOP actually WANTS the worst of climate change to happen. It'd track with their actions. Because think about it. It would mean the East and the West Coasts go underwater. They've always hated and mocked the 'liberal coastal elites.' Maybe they're playing 4D chess in attempt to get rid of them once and for all. Politically speaking, washing away the coasts would help the GOP immensely in coastal states. The GOP is so vile I wouldn't put even this past them at this point.

[Politician]

Section 1: The US Senate shall be abolished, and the US House shall be the sole legislative chamber in the Country.
Section 2: States shall be required to set up an independent citizens commission for the purposes of drawing Congressional Districts. Said commissions may not use any kind of partisan data when constructing the maps.
Section 3: The US House, by a simple majority vote, shall be in charge of the process of advice and consent previously given to the US Senate.
Section 4: The US House shall have the power to impeach federal officials by a simple majority vote, and to convict them with a majority of two thirds following an impeachment trial.
Section 5: Legislation shall become law upon passage by the US House, followed by a signature from the President. The President may also veto legislation, in which case the House may override the veto with a majority of two thirds. Ratification of treaties shall be treated as regular legislation.
Section 6: All judiciary offices whose officeholders US Senate confirmation occured with Senators voting to confirm them reperesenting a minority of the nations population according to the contemporary preceding decennial census shall be immediately considered vacated upon ratification of this amendment.
Section 7: The Electoral College shall be abolished, and the President shall be elected by a national popular vote.
Section 8: Elections for the President and the US House shall be conducted using ranked choice voting.

[Politician]

Section 1: The US Senate shall be abolished, and the US House shall be the sole legislative chamber in the Country.
Section 2: States shall be required to set up an independent citizens commission for the purposes of drawing Congressional Districts. Said commissions may not use any kind of partisan data when constructing the maps.
Section 3: The US House, by a simple majority vote, shall be in charge of the process of advice and consent previously given to the US Senate.
Section 4: The US House shall have the power to impeach federal officials by a simple majority vote, and to convict them with a majority of two thirds following an impeachment trial.
Section 5: Legislation shall become law upon passage by the US House, followed by a signature from the President. The President may also veto legislation, in which case the House may override the veto with a majority of two thirds. Ratification of treaties shall be treated as regular legislation.
Section 6: All judiciary offices whose officeholders US Senate confirmation occured with Senators voting to confirm them reperesenting a minority of the nations population according to the contemporary preceding decennial census shall be immediately considered vacated upon ratification of this amendment.
Section 7: The Electoral College shall be abolished, and the President shall be elected by a national popular vote.
Section 8: Elections for the President and the US House shall be conducted using ranked choice voting.

Really uncertain as to why this is so absurd or ignorant. There's a reasonable argument to be made that given the Senate's grossly undemocratic lean, plus the fact that divisions from state-to-state are not nearly as dramatic in 2022 as in 1789 so as to Warrant still giving California and Wyoming to Senators a piece, or Texas in Vermont for that matter,.

If you believe this position to be so ignorant or absurd, perhaps the best route would be to present an argument against it in the thread where this post was made, rather than merely dumping it in this thread, as I respectfully submit it is nowhere near so tangibly and obviously absurd a proposition.

The founders created the Senate so that small states would have the same voice as big states and not be drowned out. I do agree with you about CA but a better solution to that would be to split it into two states.

Besides, he wants to abolish the Senate because most small states are red states, thus the dynamic of the Senate currently helps the Republican Party. If the situation was reversed and most small states were blue states, there is no doubt he would support the Senate.

[Politician]

Since Garcia outperformed Biden by a massive amount, I think those crossover voters didn't approve of voting not to certify. So really, Garcia has a 13 point deficit to make up. The swing probably makes up most and ignorance the rest but he's cutting it close.

The idea that the average person cares about this above everything else is why you guys continue to embarrass yourselves. You guys live in a political ecosystem hyper-obsessed with "Trumpism" and "democracy" to the detriment of anything else. Why we arrogantly assume they will think the same way we do, is still dumbfounding.

How dare people on a forum about election results be obsessed with democracy!

This isn't the simple truths thread.

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Literally every single good thing that humankind and even their own precious "Western civilization" has accomplished over the last century plus has been over the objections of kicking and screaming paleocons, their "old right" predecessors, and now their "Trumpist" successors. If it was up to these fools, Hitler would have won and there would be no Jews on the planet today (many would love that btw).

To me it's all the same BS that it's always been: Selfish isolationist delusional foreign policy. Reactionary social policy. Ass backwards economic policy. These people have been holding America and the world back for generations, going back to the days of Robert Taft. I think maybe a modest proposal would be to give them everything they've ever wanted and let them have their own isolated ultra-nationalist white Christian utopia in Alaska or something, as long as they promise to stay the hell away from the rest of the US and give up the right to vote in our elections ever again. Might well save the planet at this rate.

A couple quotes from paleocon "intellectuals" I find hilarious by the way:

"Old Conservative heroes like Joseph McCarthy, Douglas MacArthur, Charles Lindbergh, Robert A. Taft, and even Barry Goldwater tended to disappear or earn scorn in Neoconservative journals, while Harry Truman, George Marshall, Hubert Humphrey, and Henry Jackson developed into idols before whom conservatives were supposed to bend the knee." - Samuel T. Francis

Way to make neocons sound based and paleocons sound like raving Nazi lunatics who belong in the dustbin of history!

"The Conservative's traditional sympathy for the American South and its people and heritage, evident in the works of such great American Conservatives as Richard M. Weaver and Russell Kirk, began to disappear ... [T]he Neocons are heavily influenced by Woodrow Wilson, with perhaps a hint of Theodore Roosevelt. ... They believe in an aggressive U.S. presence practically everywhere, and in the spread of democracy around the world, by force if necessary. ... Neoconservatives tend to want more efficient government agencies; Paleoconservatives want fewer government agencies. [Neoconservatives] generally admire President Franklin Delano Roosevelt and his heavily interventionist New Deal policies. Neoconservatives have not exactly been known for their budget consciousness, and you won't hear them talking about making any serious inroads into the federal apparatus." - Thomas Woods

Way to make neocons sound even MORE based and paleocons sound like raving neo-Confederate lunatics who DEFINITELY belong in the dustbin of history!

I mean honestly, it's as utopian (or rather dystopian) and delusional as communism, as cold, cruel, callous, and often bigoted as fascism, more irrational than all other forms of conservatism (which is saying something), and as limp-wristed and ineffectual as the worst strands of liberalism and libertarianism. It is like the worst of all worlds, on every front. It's amazing how there is an entire school of ideological thought with which I don't think I agree about literally anything at all. It's like it was designed in a lab to be as toxic to me as garlic is to vampires. Just sick and disgusting. SAD!

[Politician]

I don't really think people are evil for doing this considering how vile Pregnancy Crisis Centers are, but this kind of thing probably isn't great for society.

Pregnancy Crisis Centers do more good for mothers and their children than places like Planned Parenthood have ever done.

Maybe if you believe a mindless clump of cells should be treated like a thinking feeling conscious human being, but I don't live in that world.

[Politician]

I don't really think people are evil for doing this considering how vile Pregnancy Crisis Centers are, but this kind of thing probably isn't great for society.

Pregnancy Crisis Centers do more good for mothers and their children than places like Planned Parenthood have ever done.

Maybe if you believe a mindless clump of cells should be treated like a thinking feeling conscious human being, but I don't live in that world.

You should also be banned from posting in this thread.

Somebody's upset.

[Politician]

He executed too many of his generals, but not enough communists

Agree, he should've started with himself.

Stalin dying by the time he got into power would be a net negative for the good of the world. His leadership is what led to the German defeat and pressured other capitalist nations to change for the better in creating the modern civil service and welfare regimens.

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I hate having to target someone twice but this is just ridiculous

George Washington was a terrible general and generally not that great of a politician. His “achievements” also include mass oppression of the working class and punching left, so my personal preference is obviously low for the man.

[Politician]

The answer is "never" as long as the media, the government and NGOs don't coerce vulnerable children to believe so.

The simple truths thread is that way -->

[Politician]

*SNIP*

And that’s why it’s seen as a right-wing country, if you had to compare countries from an ideological perspective. I insist that “right” and “left” are economic notions and social issues are related to notions of illiberalism and authoritarianism (or individual freedoms).

And even then, it’s questionable how committed democrats/the country is on that regard. Europe strikes me as a more socially liberal place in a general way, for example. On some specific matters, other less developed countries as well. That’s because US isn’t necessarily “socially liberal” but more guided by notions of individualism as you say. Like, it will defend the freedom of people to be whatever they want to be or say and that doesn’t include minorities only, but also the allowance of hate speech and other crimes that are passed as “freedom of expression” as well.

Doesn’t Exist in US, but it does in Europe, South America and everywhere else - Extreme Left

People who usually criticize AOC and the “left democrats” for being too weak - Left

Bernie, Ilhan Omar, AOC - Center-Left

Democrat voters, politicians and supporters in general - Center

Hillary Clinton, Manchin, “Conservative” + “Moderate” wing of Democrats - Center-Right

Romney, McCain, “Moderate” wing of Republicans - Right

Trump, DeSantis, basically the entire Republican party of nowadays - Extreme-right

[Politician]

As poor as West Virginia is it is the last place that needs unwanted pregnancies or pregnancies at all. If anything they should be discouraging people from having children.

[Politician]

An immigration system that makes people feel they need to smuggle themselves into America in horrifyingly dangerous conditions is an immigration system that is far too restrictive.

Open the borders and let people come here freely like we did when my ancestors came here.

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I'm among that small minority in this poll who thinks the Dems will retain the House, with probably a small net gain of about 2-3 seats. I think anger about the Dobbs decision is going to motivate the D base almost as strongly as it was motivated 4 years ago - like about 85%-90% as motivated as then. I think, perhaps, the NPV will be 51.5% for Dems and 47% for GOP, and the ratio of seats won will be 224 to 211.

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Safe Kemp, Republicans are just going to rig the election again.

Shameful how democrats are dropping the most promising Democratic contender of the new generation. Abrams is literally running the best campaign ever done and, on account of her being black and outspoken, Democrats don’t like her. When a Stalinist t-34sexual is the only one who sees reality in the genius of some boogie randroid, you know peoples priorities ain’t right.

[Politician]

Just the opposite. They will be swept, adding to the misery of a night that was supposed to be theirs, but they blew it badly across the board with woeful candidates.

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https://mobile.twitter.com/FoxNews/status/1550294883126099971

The attacker was probably a right winger who doesn't like that Zeldin voted to protect the right of gay marriage.

[Politician]

538 GCB average Republican advantage down to 0.2%. RCP to 0.9%.  I guess we will find out what matters more, the GCB or presidential job approval.

If the theory that a big part of the reason for Biden’s low approval is dissatisfied progressives holds water, then I’d guess the former. Which could mean one of the most underwhelming midterm performances by the opposition in years.

It doesn't hold water. It's pure hackery by people who refuse to accept that polling continues to overestimate democrats egregiously.

Except it didn't in 2018 or even 2014 or really any election without Trump. Sometimes even underestimated Democrats. And the crosstabs support it (terrible Biden approvals among young Democratic voters for instance). Like, some of the very same polls finding Biden deep underwater are also finding Democratic candidates comfortably ahead. Literally the exact same polls, same sample of people saying they disapprove of Biden yet will vote for Democrats. How else do you explain that? It's not "hackery" to logically analyze the numbers instead of just knee jerk dooming.

[Politician]

538 GCB average Republican advantage down to 0.2%. RCP to 0.9%.  I guess we will find out what matters more, the GCB or presidential job approval.

If the theory that a big part of the reason for Biden’s low approval is dissatisfied progressives holds water, then I’d guess the former. Which could mean one of the most underwhelming midterm performances by the opposition in years.

It doesn't hold water. It's pure hackery by people who refuse to accept that polling continues to overestimate democrats egregiously.

Except it didn't in 2018 or even 2014 or really any election without Trump. Sometimes even underestimated Democrats. And the crosstabs support it (terrible Biden approvals among young Democratic voters for instance). Like, some of the very same polls finding Biden deep underwater are also finding Democratic candidates comfortably ahead. Literally the exact same polls, same sample of people saying they disapprove of Biden yet will vote for Democrats. How else do you explain that? It's not "hackery" to logically analyze the numbers instead of just knee jerk dooming.

Yeah, totally did. I mean just look at all these sources from the famously Democrat-leaning RCP showing how far D-skewed the polls were for Dems in those years, and how the phenomenon you described actually worked in those years:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2014/senate/mi/michigan_senate_land_vs_peters-3820.html

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2014/senate/mn/minnesota_senate_mcfadden_vs_franken-3902.html

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2018/senate/wv/west_virginia_senate_morrisey_vs_manchin-6258.html

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2018/senate/tx/texas_senate_cruz_vs_orourke-6310.html

Also love how you left out the rest of my post in that thread where I completely ripped you a new asshole and tore your entire argument to shreds, bit by bit.

You're a f--king hack. And/or an ignorant fool who doesn't even know what the hell he is talking about.

EDIT: Here's some more from those years, IN PENNSYLVANIA, which is where this whole feud even started!

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2014/governor/pa/pennsylvania_governor_corbett_vs_wolf-3535.html

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2018/senate/pa/pennsylvania_senate_barletta_vs_casey-6312.html

Wow, so totally far off!

Moron.

Now do NC-SEN 2014, IA-SEN 2014, KS-SEN 2014, AK-SEN 2014, AR-SEN 2014, LA-SEN 2014, GA-SEN 2014, KY-SEN 2014, SD-SEN 2014, VA-SEN 2014, IL-GOV 2014, FL-GOV 2014, KS-GOV 2014, ME-GOV 2014, MD-GOV 2014, GA-GOV 2014, AR-GOV 2014, OH-GOV 2014, NV-GOV 2014, and VT-GOV 2014.

How about MO-SEN 2018, IN-SEN 2018, FL-SEN 2018, TN-SEN 2018, OH-SEN 2018, WV-SEN 2018 (the polls underestimated Morrissey for almost the whole cycle), FL-GOV 2018, OH-GOV 2018, IA-GOV 2018, OK-GOV 2018, NH-GOV 2018, AK-GOV 2018?

Or have I bored you with how many clear and obvious examples the polls have systematically underrated GOP support? Moron.

And even in the "examples" you provided, Wolf and Manchin both collapsed in polling late in the campaign (they were up by 5ish more for most of the cycle).

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Unpopular opinion, but all of them. The ones who lost/will lose did/will not do so because of their impeachment vote but rather because they’re either comically out of touch in a way that goes well beyond the impeachment vote (Liz Cheney is a textbook example of this) or just fairly inept/lazy campaigners who clearly didn’t know how to carve out an appealing brand in their district.