Is paleoconservatism the worst ideology of all-time?

[Alben Barkley]

Literally every single good thing that humankind and even their own precious "Western civilization" has accomplished over the last century plus has been over the objections of kicking and screaming paleocons, their "old right" predecessors, and now their "Trumpist" successors. If it was up to these fools, Hitler would have won and there would be no Jews on the planet today (many would love that btw).

To me it's all the same BS that it's always been: Selfish isolationist delusional foreign policy. Reactionary social policy. Ass backwards economic policy. These people have been holding America and the world back for generations, going back to the days of Robert Taft. I think maybe a modest proposal would be to give them everything they've ever wanted and let them have their own isolated ultra-nationalist white Christian utopia in Alaska or something, as long as they promise to stay the hell away from the rest of the US and give up the right to vote in our elections ever again. Might well save the planet at this rate.

A couple quotes from paleocon "intellectuals" I find hilarious by the way:

"Old Conservative heroes like Joseph McCarthy, Douglas MacArthur, Charles Lindbergh, Robert A. Taft, and even Barry Goldwater tended to disappear or earn scorn in Neoconservative journals, while Harry Truman, George Marshall, Hubert Humphrey, and Henry Jackson developed into idols before whom conservatives were supposed to bend the knee." - Samuel T. Francis

Way to make neocons sound based and paleocons sound like raving Nazi lunatics who belong in the dustbin of history!

"The Conservative's traditional sympathy for the American South and its people and heritage, evident in the works of such great American Conservatives as Richard M. Weaver and Russell Kirk, began to disappear ... [T]he Neocons are heavily influenced by Woodrow Wilson, with perhaps a hint of Theodore Roosevelt. ... They believe in an aggressive U.S. presence practically everywhere, and in the spread of democracy around the world, by force if necessary. ... Neoconservatives tend to want more efficient government agencies; Paleoconservatives want fewer government agencies. [Neoconservatives] generally admire President Franklin Delano Roosevelt and his heavily interventionist New Deal policies. Neoconservatives have not exactly been known for their budget consciousness, and you won't hear them talking about making any serious inroads into the federal apparatus." - Thomas Woods

Way to make neocons sound even MORE based and paleocons sound like raving neo-Confederate lunatics who DEFINITELY belong in the dustbin of history!

I mean honestly, it's as utopian (or rather dystopian) and delusional as communism, as cold, cruel, callous, and often bigoted as fascism, more irrational than all other forms of conservatism (which is saying something), and as limp-wristed and ineffectual as the worst strands of liberalism and libertarianism. It is like the worst of all worlds, on every front. It's amazing how there is an entire school of ideological thought with which I don't think I agree about literally anything at all. It's like it was designed in a lab to be as toxic to me as garlic is to vampires. Just sick and disgusting. SAD!

[Santander]

Let's just call them what they are - white nationalist, misogynistic, Islamophobic, antisemitic, economically illiterate scumbags. They hide behind "Christianity" and "Western civilization" and attack (((communism))), (((globalism))) and (((banks))) because unlike the alt-right that followed, they didn't even have the balls to come out and be open about their stupid views.

But no, it is obviously not literally the worst ideology of all-time.

[Alben Barkley]

Let's just call them what they are - white nationalist, misogynistic, Islamophobic, antisemitic, economically illiterate scumbags. They hide behind "Christianity" and "Western civilization" and attack (((communism))), (((globalism))) and (((banks))) because unlike the alt-right that followed, they didn't even have the balls to come out and be open about their stupid views.

This but unironically.

Except I don't really draw a distinction. Pat Buchanan's 1992 RNC speech would indeed not have been out of place "in the original German" as was said at the time. In some ways the alt-right has actually done a better job at muddying the waters by hiding behind memes and "it's just a joke, we take him SERIOUSLY not LITERALLY, libtard!" kind of crap that obscures what they actually think. Old school paleocons like Buchanan just put it all out there without much filter, to the point Trump himself called him a Nazi when running against him for the Reform nomination in 2000.

[Vice President Christian Man]

No the worst ideology of all time is Nazism

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

Paleoconservatism>Neoconservatism.

[Pink Panther]

Nazism, Fascism, Communism, etc. exist, you know.

[TheReckoning]

No the worst ideology of all time is Nazism

Worst ideology to ever get control of a country*. Many worse ideologies exist but they’re too terrible to get any mainstream traction.

[Person Man]

No the worst ideology of all time is Nazism

The differences between Buchananism, the alt-right, and early Nazi party members are pretty academic.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

"The Conservative's traditional sympathy for the American South and its people and heritage, evident in the works of such great American Conservatives as Richard M. Weaver and Russell Kirk, began to disappear ... [T]he Neocons are heavily influenced by Woodrow Wilson,

Woodrow Wilson, who was an original promoter of the Lost Cause myth and helped to spread it outside the South through Academia and culture, which is what paved the way for the decades long consensus around Reconciliation and Lost Cause revisionism. Yea, such a great influence.

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

At this point, untrammelled anarcho-primitivism would probably kill more people than any other ideology (besides actual death cults) if it was widely followed to its conclusions.

[Bleach Blonde Bad Built Butch Bodies for Biden]

The most delusional foreign policy is the idea that every nation should go along with the Western ideal of democracy, even though many countries have no history of such and attempting to force its implementation has, and will often be met with, violent conflict.

If democracy is to exist anywhere, it must be organic and something that the people living there actually want to have and preserve.

But, it's quite obvious that the OP is not attempting to engage in good faith discussion as it is to call dissenters Nazis. Yawn.

[Santander]

But, it's quite obvious that the OP is not attempting to engage in good faith discussion as it is to call dissenters Nazis. Yawn.

Paleoconfederates are all Nazi sympathizers, at the very least. Look at the long line of deplorables we've sen on Atlas.

[OSR stands with Israel]

But, it's quite obvious that the OP is not attempting to engage in good faith discussion as it is to call dissenters Nazis. Yawn.

Paleoconfederates are all Nazi sympathizers, at the very least. Look at the long line of deplorables we've sen on Atlas.

Mr Reactionary is a Paleocon and he is not even 1% a Nazi sympathizer

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

But, it's quite obvious that the OP is not attempting to engage in good faith discussion as it is to call dissenters Nazis. Yawn.

Paleoconfederates are all Nazi sympathizers, at the very least. Look at the long line of deplorables we've sen on Atlas.

Mr Reactionary is a Paleocon and he is not even 1% a Nazi sympathizer

Santander said Paleoconfederate, not Paleoconservative

[Santander]

But, it's quite obvious that the OP is not attempting to engage in good faith discussion as it is to call dissenters Nazis. Yawn.

Paleoconfederates are all Nazi sympathizers, at the very least. Look at the long line of deplorables we've sen on Atlas.

Mr Reactionary is a Paleocon and he is not even 1% a Nazi sympathizer

Santander said Paleoconfederate, not Paleoconservative

LOL, oops. I admit I meant to type Paleoconservative while thinking about a certain "Paleoconfederate".

[OSR stands with Israel]

But, it's quite obvious that the OP is not attempting to engage in good faith discussion as it is to call dissenters Nazis. Yawn.

Paleoconfederates are all Nazi sympathizers, at the very least. Look at the long line of deplorables we've sen on Atlas.

Mr Reactionary is a Paleocon and he is not even 1% a Nazi sympathizer

Santander said Paleoconfederate, not Paleoconservative

LOL, oops. I admit I meant to type Paleoconservative while thinking about a certain "Paleoconfederate".

Do you agree with my point about Mr Reactionary though

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Maybe not isolationism itself, but neoconservatism was never a good fit for conservatism as it runs afoul of many tenets of conservatism as that was historically known.

1. Realism and view of the world as chaotic and people as flawed/fallen - has historically been the root of conservative thinking since its first considerations. Neoconservativism is far too idealist and utopian to ever first with this mindset.

2. Societal stability - war has typically disrupted societal stability and has served as a backdrop for a number of revolutions, needless to say this would be a source of concern for many traditional conservatives.

3. Finance - Foreign intervention and spreading democracy is very expensive and conservatism has historically been defined by fiscal prudence and restraint.

4. Economic Upheaval - War distorts the private sector economy and shift resources to the war machine

5. Limited Government - War strengthens the state and the military, while generally supported on the right as necessary, is an extension of government and thus subject to the same scrutiny for waste and abuse.

So yea, it is no surprise that we have "reverted to the historical norms" somewhat when it comes to foreign policy.

[DaleCooper]

I've long believed that paleoconservative is just a nerd's way of identifying as a fascist or neonazi and I haven't yet met anyone that's changed my opinion on that.