Elizabeth Warren 2020 Megathread v2 (pg 35 - Emily List support)

[Progressive Pessimist]

As a side note, Warren's merch game is on point:

[credit: Yakanak News]

We could use something like that to combat the (less creative) crap that Trump shills on his website.

[Progressive Pessimist]

Nobody has voted yet and I know a ton of people who are solid Warren and have been forever. Her campaign has been written off before and it was foolish then and foolish now.

Very true. If I am learning anything about this primary, it's that those candidates who were well-established before running for President are the ones who have seen the most success.

That doesn't explain Buttigieg and the success he has seen though...

[Progressive Pessimist]

That doesn't explain Buttigieg and the success he has seen though...

 What real success has he had? He's the media darling and despite that nobody is talking about his policies, he hasn't won anything, and he has at no time been the sole front runner. It seems like hype until proven otherwise.

 He also polls the weakest against Trump compared to Biden, Sanders, Warren.
 

True, but for the mayor of a medium sized city who was previously an obscure politician to be polling within the top four of a national primary against well-known figures like Biden, Sanders, and Warren should not be overlooked.

[Progressive Pessimist]

Unpopular(?) opinion: Warren's decline will continue and Sanders will be the progressive candidate come the primaries.

I'm still not so sure about that, but I could definitely see one of them dropping out and making a deal to support the other at some point if Biden's delegate lead gets close to insurmountable. So I guess it would be unpopular.

[Progressive Pessimist]

I've noticed this too...minus the hair part. Hopefully she can break the curse if she's nominated.

And in what way is she a flip-flopper? Because she used to be a Republican until the early 1990's?

[Progressive Pessimist]

https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/1200367457916968961

 This is why you can't sleep on Warren.

It doesn't mean that they'll specifically vote for her though. If there's one thing I ascribe to it's that most Americans are indeed in favor of most liberal or progressive policies but will draw the line when it comes to voting for a liberal or progressive candidate. It demonstrates how superficial our politics are-driven more by personality than by policy or practicality.

[Progressive Pessimist]

Any chance of picking up Harris supporters?

I think she will definitely win at least some of them. Just look at James Monroe as an example.

https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/1200367457916968961

 This is why you can't sleep on Warren.

It doesn't mean that they'll specifically vote for her though. If there's one thing I ascribe to it's that most Americans are indeed in favor of most liberal or progressive policies but will draw the line when it comes to voting for a liberal or progressive candidate. It demonstrates how superficial our politics are-driven more by personality than by policy or practicality.

Or that a lot of people support a few progressive policies, but oppose a platform that combines many progressive policies together.

That's actually a pretty good observation. That definitely could be also.

[Progressive Pessimist]

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1201456502520852481

I truly believe moments like this will win her the presidency.

I'm not so sure about that. It's a very touching moment, but empathy doesn't seem to sell well to the general voting populace anymore.

[Progressive Pessimist]

So now all the Bernie Sanders supporters have decided that they no longer like the only other candidate besides Sanders who supports a wealth tax etc, and if they can't have Bernie, they would rather have the guy (Biden) that just 24 hours ago many of the same people were attacking for his willingness to cut social security and his vote in favor of the Iraq war.

Doesn't really make sense from a policy perspective, but interesting change of perspective, I guess...

Here's a shocker --- I guess voters don't vote based on policy ---- , and that many self-proclaimed "progressive" voters actually may care about some other things more than progressive policies.

If so, then why did i.e. Beto O'Rourke get attacked, apparently just for policy reasons, because of not being sufficiently progressive and pure like Bernie was? Just didn't like Beto's style I guess, apparently it wasn't about policy after all, if Biden is now looking so good?

Thank you! I may not be 100% on board with either Sanders or Warren, but you are a breath of fresh air amidst all this hysteria speaking some much needed truth here.

 Isn't one of Sanders' mottos: "Not me. Us?" What happened to that? Some of his supporters seem to think it is really all about him. Some of them are resembling Trump's fanatical, cult-like, knee-jerk base as of late, and it is really disappointing to see. Personality based politics are an underrated cancer in our country. I've become convinced of that.

It's also disappointing because I've been a bit more receptive to Sanders this time and even more defensive of his usually much maligned following as of late, until now. This whole thing is reminding me why I was never able to bring myself to pull the lever for him in the 2016 primary, despite initially supporting him at the very beginning. It's especially disappointing to see such vitriolic reactions from posters who I like or respect on this very forum. It's really discouraging to my hopes that Democrats will end up united by the time we get a nominee and keep our priorities of defeating Trump and the GOP in mind.

I'm under the impression that both Sanders and Warren remember their conversation differently, or perhaps Warren misinterpreted what Sanders said. I am really baffled by the sharp response to Warren on this. Even if you don't like what she did, for a group of people who always insist that they are behind Sanders due to his principles, it shouldn't be that easy to kick any potential support for Warren to the curb.

And as for Biden being the supposed runner-up choice for some of these Sanders supporters in question, once the primary becomes a two-way contest between them, you can bet that they'll turn against Biden as easily as they did against Warren once Biden makes even the slightest criticism of Sanders. Prove me wrong.

This entire mindset does nothing except to help the powers that be which are supposed to be the ultimate adversary to the Sanders movement.

[Progressive Pessimist]

All the vitriol the Sanders people had for Warren seems to have been dismissed. She did not leak the story or lie. It's clear Bernie said something to the effect even if it was misinterpreted and it's now being made clear she wasn't the one who planted the story.


 So what now?

People admit that it was all a distracting waste of time? Yeah, that probably won't happen.

[Progressive Pessimist]

Sanders benefits from super PACs and gets **** for it: Warren stans think it's bad. To put it plainly, Bernie isn't perfect and politicians lie. I'm not going to sit here and make excuses.

Warren starts a super PAC and gets **** for it: "WHAT ABOUT THE BERNIE BROS?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!"

But of course this isn't a surprise to the average Bernie supporter. When the establishment does something wrong, it's never about them. If they were wrong, it never happened, and if they were wrong, Bernie supporters do it too so it's okay.

I think it's cute how "the establishment" has come to mean anybody who isn't Bernie Sanders.

That word has become meaningless since at least 2016.

[Progressive Pessimist]

Given what has been reported about Warren's campaign, and given that her candidacy is now on life support, I find it interesting that she just now decided to start running ads in my home state of Colorado. She is the only other candidate besides Bloomberg to have done so at this point. And in her ads, she's trying to tie herself to President Obama, using his comments from a decade ago when he placed her in charge of the CFPB. It's ironic, because she's doing the exact same thing as Bloomberg, whom she has heavily criticized: implying an Obama endorsement in her ads.

I enjoy the Obama references, when Sanders does it I'm particularly pleased

It pushes back on the anti-Obama lefties

If he wants to win over the majority of the Democratic Party and have Obama help stump for him on the campaign trail, he pretty much has to do this. Nonetheless, I welcome it too.

[Progressive Pessimist]

It was nice to see Warren finally contrast herself with Sanders last night as the more competent, pragmatic, and technocratic alternative...it's too bad that it's probably too late for that to make any difference.

Other than being a woman, clearly her biggest problem throughout the primary was being too similar to Sanders and portraying herself as his teammate more than as his opponent.

[Progressive Pessimist]

https://twitter.com/AlxThomp/status/1233929033794150402

She waited too long to go scorched earth like this. It probably could have been effective earlier on and made her a good middle-ground between Biden's pragmatism and Sanders' idealism.

[Progressive Pessimist]

Warren takes aim at Biden: A 'Washington insider will not meet this moment'

In her sharpest attack yet on the former vice president, Warren says Biden is a risk to the Democratic Party and the country.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/warren-takes-aim-biden-washington-insider-will-not-meet-moment-n1147696

He is a risk to the party and country if he loses to Trump, but beyond that I don't really agree.

As much as I like Warren I also take issue with her categorizing Biden as a "Washington insider." She's a Senator. Nobody who served in any capacity in Washington can't really make the case that they are an "outsider" in contrast. Not even Sanders. To Trump's very rare credit *vomits* that was one thing he didn't lie about. He was genuinely an outsider.

[Progressive Pessimist]

https://twitter.com/mviser/status/1235352750004875265?s=19

Hmm, I would have thought that she would endorse nobody, with how much goodwill from all corners of the party that Warren has squandered in these last few weeks. But I suppose she wants to regain whatever esteem she once had with the party's left and then can still endorse Biden by the time he is nominated for the general election.