Elizabeth Warren 2020 Megathread v2 (pg 35 - Emily List support)

[Gass3268]

https://twitter.com/mviser/status/1230674354637164544?s=20

https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1230674301038321665?s=20

Savage!

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Interesting in light of Bernie stans giving Warren crap over the Super PAC.

https://twitter.com/CaraKorte/status/1230584332676255744

Now Bernie has a misleading tweet saying he's the only one who doesn't "have a Super PAC that's spending millions" - technically, National Nurses United spending is under $1 million and technically Our Revolution is not a Super PAC, however the latter has not disclosed all its donors and has spent significant amounts of money to help Bernie since Iowa. Not to mention its former head is now a senior campaign aide of Sanders, and it has been accused of illegal coordination by watchdog groups. But even if you're not bothered by any of that, the deceptive nature of this latest hit is not good.

Our Revolution isn't a SuperPAC, and Warren already had her own PAC. Just because your candidate lies doesn't mean you have to.

[Gass3268]

Interesting in light of Bernie stans giving Warren crap over the Super PAC.

https://twitter.com/CaraKorte/status/1230584332676255744

Now Bernie has a misleading tweet saying he's the only one who doesn't "have a Super PAC that's spending millions" - technically, National Nurses United spending is under $1 million and technically Our Revolution is not a Super PAC, however the latter has not disclosed all its donors and has spent significant amounts of money to help Bernie since Iowa. Not to mention its former head is now a senior campaign aide of Sanders, and it has been accused of illegal coordination by watchdog groups. But even if you're not bothered by any of that, the deceptive nature of this latest hit is not good.

Our Revolution isn't a SuperPAC, and Warren already had her own PAC. Just because your candidate lies doesn't mean you have to.

It's even worse than a SuperPac, but it's okay if Bernie does it.

https://twitter.com/DartDClark/status/1230680111973904384?s=20

[GeneralMacArthur]

Sanders started Our Revolution so he could use it to collect dark money.

Nina Turner was running it for him until he hired her to work on his campaign.

Our Revolution has no evident purpose other than helping Sanders get elected.

It defies credulity to think that everything it's doing now wasn't direct instructions from the campaign, even if they've had no communication since Sanders officially announced.

[OkThen]

Not sure if others watched it, but Liz was on fire during her CNN town hall tonight.

[Heebie Jeebie]

https://mobile.twitter.com/mattmfm/status/1230547696924209152

[Rookie Yinzer]

Bernie Sanders stans need to shut the hell up. Our Revolution is dark money. GTFO.

I get Bloomberg is an easy punching bag but he's not on the ballot in Nevada or South Carolina. IDK what she's accomplishing battering him while Sanders runs away with Nevada scot-free.

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Bernie Sanders stans need to shut the hell up. Our Revolution is dark money. GTFO.

I get Bloomberg is an easy punching bag but he's not on the ballot in Nevada or South Carolina. IDK what she's accomplishing battering him while Sanders runs away with Nevada scot-free.

That is a lie. PACs have to report donations over $200 and are limited to $5000.

[NOVA Green]

The main problem with the Warren campaign was not particularly her policy positions, which in many ways are "Bernie Lite", where fundamentally the overwhelming majority of the DEM base is supportive of, but rather she was trying to run a narrow lane to both carve up a chunk of the Bernie '16 base and then expand beyond.

IA was naturally a critical moment for that, a political opportunity structure to deliver. Instead of Warren coming in 2nd in the popular vote, it was Mayor Pete....

Her coalition in IA was predominately a mixture of heavily college towns (Bernie '16 base), and White Middle-Class Suburban voters in Des Moines, and not the "prairie fire" of a Populist DEM rural base (Where Pete & Amy cut their teeth in '20).

Fine.... next thing you know Warren, whom one might have expected to do well in NH ends up placing pretty low with a modicum of delegates. Her coalition in NH represented her coalition in IA.

Now we are rolling into NV with a large Latino, Black, and Asian Minority population and her numbers appear to be getting worse and not better.

SC right after all that, where her anemic support among Black voters looks like she will place at best 4th if not 5th or 6th.

Super Tuesday doesn't look that great either... in theory Warren should have been able to clean some house in Upper-Income Anglo places within the Bay Area and SoCal.... we are not seeing that.

I'm assuming she will stay into the race on Super Tuesday, but even there MA appears to be the only like win....

Still, Warren is starting to develop name recognition among the DEM base, in a Political Party where a significant majority of the voters are women, and where the base is looking for a winnable progressive candidate.

I suspect that although the math for Warren looks pretty bad right now, that there is a Political Opportunity Structure (POS) based upon her debate performance, where in theory she might be able to garner enough votes to place 3rd in NV and hit 15%, claim momentum and then move into SC....

Problem is she doesn't necessarily have that much familiarity with many Minority and WWC DEM voters, and style wise maybe a bit too much of the "University Professor", without a real major base to build upon....

Let's say Bloomberg Collapses (Bad debate performance and getting hit hard for a variety of reasons), where do these voters go?

Let's say Amy collapses (Bad debate performance in the largest watched DEM debate of all time 20 Million + viewers).... where do those voters go?

Let's say Mayor Pete collapses (Not likely until after Super Tuesday).... where do those voters go?

Let's say "Uncle Joe" Collapses (When--- polling numbers indicate that the boxer might be able to possibly survive if he can claim some sort of victory before Super Tuesday). Where do his voters go???

Let's say that Bernie Sanders get's caught with "either a dead girl or a live boy" in bed (Sounds corny but used to be a political expression of what would constitute a political scandal) where would his supporters go???

I really respect what Warren is trying to do here, but where does she rob the votes from when her electable numbers are in some of the lower range of National DEM polling, other than candidates with much lower name recognition.

If Warren gets a debate bump.... and quite frankly and honestly I thought she did an A+ performance regardless of my favorite horse in the race... will it be too little and too late to make a difference at this point?

And if so, will it be localized or will it be a much more diverse coalition that includes all sorts of folks, kind of of the current state of the Bernie Coalition, and honestly the Biden Coalition....

"Bloomberg Ice Cream" should now be a new Ben & Jerry's "Special Flavor of the Season", but make it dank and dark, inexpensive as a Flavor of the People,

[Oryxslayer]

Today's UMass/Lowell poll finds Warren behind Sanders in a tight race for Massachusetts, though the state is really anyone's game. Essentially, not what you want to see if you are Warren. Nevada therefore has become a do or die for her, and the large number of early voters doesn't help her cause. If Massachusetts isn't waiting for you, then why keep up the charade?

Her showing at the debate was telling, since the best debate performances are always given by those with nothing to lose. Unless she can make magic happen, tomorrow may be her last day on trail.

[ElectionsGuy]

Warren's savage strategy at the debate reminds me of Rubio going all-in on Trump-bashing at the debate before Super Tuesday. May give her a temporary bump but it's too little, too late.

[Vaccinated Russian Bear]

https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1187575717837586434

Sweet 2019

[Devout Centrist]

https://mobile.twitter.com/mattmfm/status/1230547696924209152

She's burned $22.7 million in the past month, more than double her intake over that period. I think she's down to $2 million CoH.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

Sanders benefits from super PACs and gets **** for it: Warren stans think it's bad. To put it plainly, Bernie isn't perfect and politicians lie. I'm not going to sit here and make excuses.

Warren starts a super PAC and gets **** for it: "WHAT ABOUT THE BERNIE BROS?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!"

But of course this isn't a surprise to the average Bernie supporter. When the establishment does something wrong, it's never about them. If they were wrong, it never happened, and if they were wrong, Bernie supporters do it too so it's okay.

[Heebie Jeebie]

Sanders benefits from super PACs and gets **** for it: Warren stans think it's bad. To put it plainly, Bernie isn't perfect and politicians lie. I'm not going to sit here and make excuses.

Warren starts a super PAC and gets **** for it: "WHAT ABOUT THE BERNIE BROS?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!"

But of course this isn't a surprise to the average Bernie supporter. When the establishment does something wrong, it's never about them. If they were wrong, it never happened, and if they were wrong, Bernie supporters do it too so it's okay.

I think it's cute how "the establishment" has come to mean anybody who isn't Bernie Sanders.

[Progressive Pessimist]

Sanders benefits from super PACs and gets **** for it: Warren stans think it's bad. To put it plainly, Bernie isn't perfect and politicians lie. I'm not going to sit here and make excuses.

Warren starts a super PAC and gets **** for it: "WHAT ABOUT THE BERNIE BROS?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!"

But of course this isn't a surprise to the average Bernie supporter. When the establishment does something wrong, it's never about them. If they were wrong, it never happened, and if they were wrong, Bernie supporters do it too so it's okay.

I think it's cute how "the establishment" has come to mean anybody who isn't Bernie Sanders.

That word has become meaningless since at least 2016.

[Beet]

So let's see, since the start of the campaign, Warren has:

* Put the wealth tax and student debt cancellation on the table & proven they are popular.
* Gotten a Wells Fargo CEO fired.
* Started a bandwagon to boycott a debate until UNITE-HERE Local 11 labor dispute resolved.
* Gotten Pete Buttigieg to open up his fundraisers to the press.
* Gotten Mike Bloomberg to release 3 accusers from NDAs.

What's next?

[GP270watch]

So let's see, since the start of the campaign, Warren has:

* Put the wealth tax and student debt cancellation on the table & proven they are popular.
* Gotten a Wells Fargo CEO fired.
* Started a bandwagon to boycott a debate until UNITE-HERE Local 11 labor dispute resolved.
* Gotten Pete Buttigieg to open up his fundraisers to the press.
* Gotten Mike Bloomberg to release 3 accusers from NDAs.

What's next?

 Imagine what she'd do with Executive powers.

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

So let's see, since the start of the campaign, Warren has:

* Put the wealth tax and student debt cancellation on the table & proven they are popular.
* Gotten a Wells Fargo CEO fired.
* Started a bandwagon to boycott a debate until UNITE-HERE Local 11 labor dispute resolved.
* Gotten Pete Buttigieg to open up his fundraisers to the press.
* Gotten Mike Bloomberg to release 3 accusers from NDAs.

What's next?

This is why I am all-in on supporting her.  I have considered myself a socialist since I was 13 years old, and have been a Bernie Sanders fan for almost 25 years.  But I believe Warren is the candidate who would most effectively enact socialist policy if elected. 

Some Sanders supporters (NOT Sanders himself) don’t actually care about socialist policy; they really just want to troll the “establishment”.  Just like so many Trump supporters don’t care about his policy success as long as his is pwning the libs.

[NOVA Green]

So let's see, since the start of the campaign, Warren has:

* Put the wealth tax and student debt cancellation on the table & proven they are popular.
* Gotten a Wells Fargo CEO fired.
* Started a bandwagon to boycott a debate until UNITE-HERE Local 11 labor dispute resolved.
* Gotten Pete Buttigieg to open up his fundraisers to the press.
* Gotten Mike Bloomberg to release 3 accusers from NDAs.

What's next?

This is why I am all-in on supporting her.  I have considered myself a socialist since I was 13 years old, and have been a Bernie Sanders fan for almost 25 years.  But I believe Warren is the candidate who would most effectively enact socialist policy if elected. 

Some Sanders supporters (NOT Sanders himself) don’t actually care about socialist policy; they really just want to troll the “establishment”.  Just like so many Trump supporters don’t care about his policy success as long as his is pwning the libs.

Thanks for posting this because #1 it's a personal story and #2 bcs Warren & Sanders combined have roughly 50% of the DEM PRIM electorate, where fundamentally many of us believe that the DEM Party needs to push the goal-posts towards the Left on Fundamental issues, in many ways as the PUB Party has been doing ever since Reagan was elected PRES in '80.

We go for "bland centrists" we are left with no compare & contrast on fundamental bread & butter economic issues, where the vast majority of US POP tends to support extremely progressive proposals compared to the PUB "solutions" and "culture wars".

I did not vote Democrat for my first (3) PRES elections '92/'96/'00 nor did I vote Republican, but I voted every single election.

The first time I voted DEM was in '04 for Kerry shortly after I lost a friend in Iraq War 2.0 and was pissed at not only the Swiftboating of Kerry, but also the Bush Jr. Admin for leading us into war on the basis of lies, that the Vatican did not consider a "just war", along with much of the international community.

Joined Atlas a few Years after and initially was supporting Edwards until IA, while my future wife was supporting HRC.

Jumped on the train of the first Black-Irish American President Barrack O'Bama

Meanwhile, my Wife is sticking with HRC solidly until sometime around the IL Primaries, and all five of her lovely and charmin' adult daughters are starting to lean heavily Bernie (We had some rows... not bad mind you on more than one Tuesday Night when passions got a bit heated and alcohol was involved)....

So then we start to move towards the end-game and my future wife is really starting to warm up to O'bama but the Oregon Primaries are getting closer like watching the Indy 500s in slow-mo and figure how many laps are left and all that junk....

Tis a secret ballot in Oregon, at that point an all vote-by-mail state, and we scribe our supporters for various candidates up and down the ballot while debating things from State House Candidates to Ballot Initiatives, but we don't talk about who we are voting for top of ticket like....

We fill our ballots out and all that stuff, and three or four Months later when we're havin' a few dranks, she tells me that she voted for O'Bama....

Fast forward to '16 DEM PRIM... now we got the HRC vs Bernie WWE matchup.

Just recently come back home to our Native Country of Oregon from Tejas and bejaysus we got a gig house-sitting for a Daughter & Son-In-Law in Portland, Oregon and this Bernie Sanders dude (who I was already somewhat familiar with) now appears to be a contender before any votes are cast....

We had a reg Monthly auto payment to the Sanders campaign in '20, just like we did in '16 (Until after I was on the dole and we were living in cheap hotels essentially homeless for a few Months awaiting job opportunities because of some corporate restructuring crap as a contract vendor for a large Tech Mfg Fortune 500 Company....

Long story short....there are many Middle-Aged folks like me and my wife who have long felt that we have been left out of the American Dream and that the root cause needs to be addressed.

I will be more than proud to support Warren against DJT, and my wife will likely reluctantly as well, along with some of the sons in law that voted 3rd Party in '16.

We need a fundamental change, and instead of all y'all arguing that trying to target Trump on Guns instead maybe need to think about bread and butter economics, combined with winning over Trumpistas that voted for Obama in/or '08/'12....

Plus we still have a stack of 3rd Party voters from '12, and tons of '16 DEM core base voters in places like WI, MI, and PA that sat it out....

My personal opinion is that Bernie will do better than Warren among those voters....

[Shadows]

Warren is on the verge of backruptcy & has no money & had to take credit to continue her campaign. Without this debate haul she would have to drop out before Nevada because she has no money to pay her staff. So she needs a Superpac anyways.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

Sanders benefits from super PACs and gets **** for it: Warren stans think it's bad. To put it plainly, Bernie isn't perfect and politicians lie. I'm not going to sit here and make excuses.

Warren starts a super PAC and gets **** for it: "WHAT ABOUT THE BERNIE BROS?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!"

But of course this isn't a surprise to the average Bernie supporter. When the establishment does something wrong, it's never about them. If they were wrong, it never happened, and if they were wrong, Bernie supporters do it too so it's okay.

I think it's cute how "the establishment" has come to mean anybody who isn't Bernie Sanders.

Ladies and gentlemen, here you see Establishment Atlas's prime argumentation tactic in action: assuming the opposition's positions and misrepresenting them with an exaggerated strawman.

I think it's cute how "the establishment" has come to mean anybody who isn't Bernie Sanders.

That word has become meaningless since at least 2016.

I'm not sure exactly how else to put it. After all, if I described Warren and her supporters as centrist, I'd be making an ass of myself.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

Some Sanders supporters (NOT Sanders himself) don’t actually care about socialist policy; they really just want to troll the “establishment”.  Just like so many Trump supporters don’t care about his policy success as long as his is pwning the libs.

Considering the "establishment" considers my Romney-hack, Rubio-loving #NeverTrump friend more of a Democrat than me because I didn't support their candidate in the primary, can you blame me?

[Fuzzy Bear]

If the Democratic Establishment thinks that Warren is the key to stopping Sanders, they'll be coming to her with bags of money (to prop up her broke campaign) singing this song, lol.

[Shadows]

So let's see, since the start of the campaign, Warren has:

* Put the wealth tax and student debt cancellation on the table & proven they are popular.
* Gotten a Wells Fargo CEO fired.
* Started a bandwagon to boycott a debate until UNITE-HERE Local 11 labor dispute resolved.
* Gotten Pete Buttigieg to open up his fundraisers to the press.
* Gotten Mike Bloomberg to release 3 accusers from NDAs.

What's next?

This is why I am all-in on supporting her.  I have considered myself a socialist since I was 13 years old, and have been a Bernie Sanders fan for almost 25 years.  But I believe Warren is the candidate who would most effectively enact socialist policy if elected. 

Some Sanders supporters (NOT Sanders himself) don’t actually care about socialist policy; they really just want to troll the “establishment”.  Just like so many Trump supporters don’t care about his policy success as long as his is pwning the libs.

Elizabeth Warren - I am a capitalist to my bones, blasting Bernie's supporters as a movement of hate, criticizing Medicare-for-all & abandoning it to carve a lane to the right of Bernie will get stuff done.

Apart from being a sure-shot loser to Trump, she got nothing in the Senate & got nothing passed. Least effective Senator. If people want someone who got stuff done, they should support Klobuchar.