Israel-Gaza war

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Highly disturbing developments coming out of Israel.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/13/it-is-a-time-of-witch-hunts-in-israel-teacher-held-in-solitary-confinement-for-posting-concern-about-gaza-deaths

An unlikely charge of intent to commit treason landed Meir Baruchin, a grey-haired, softly spoken history and civics teacher, in the solitary confinement wing of Jerusalem’s notorious “Russian Compound” prison in early November.

The evidence compiled by police who handcuffed him, then drove to his apartment and ransacked it as he watched, was a series of Facebook posts he’d made, mourning the civilians killed in Gaza, criticising the Israeli military, and warning against wars of revenge.

“Horrific images are pouring in from Gaza. Entire families were wiped out. I don’t usually upload pictures like this, but look what we do in revenge,” said a message on 8 October, below a picture of the family of Abu Daqqa, killed in one of the first airstrikes on Gaza. “Anyone who thinks this is justified because of what happened yesterday, should unfriend themselves. I ask everyone else to do everything possible to stop this madness. Stop it now. Not later, Now!!!”

Ten days after that Facebook message, he was fired from his teaching job in Petach Tikvah municipality. Less than a month later he was in a high-security jail, detained to give police more time to investigate critical views he had never tried to hide.

He was interrogated again before a second judge ordered his release. Questioners told him his posts were like the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, among the most famously antisemitic documents in the world. “I’m a history teacher, so I asked, ‘Did you ever read them?’ They didn’t respond.”

When his name is clear, Baruchin plans to sue Israeli media who reported police charges without asking for his response or looking for evidence, and accused him of justifying and legitimising Hamas.

Only Democracy in the Middle East^TM

That talking point deserves to be shredded, yes. Israel is a fairly typical Middle Eastern country whether or not the people there or elsewhere would hate to acknowledge it.

Imagine actually believing this

The people *currently* in charge of Israel see democracy as an inconvenience at best.

Look at who Bibi's mates are - Putin, Orban, Trump. By their friends ye shall know them.

And yet an Israel that has been led by Bibi for so long is still a million times more free, more democratic, and more equal than any of its neighbors.

That's debatable at this point. His attempts at reforming the Supreme Court showed exactly the sort of nation he wants Israel to be. He has no interest in democracy and I would bet my life he sees it as something to be removed rather than maintained.

The man wants to be a dictator.

It’s not debatable.  Like, it’s not something reasonable minds can disagree on.  With all due respect you’re objectively wrong as a matter of fact.  Yes, it’s obvious Netanyahu wants to be a tin pot dictator.  And yet Israel remains an unambiguously free and democratic nation despite him.  When he tried to shift Israel toward authoritarianism, the Israeli people - including the military and IIRC Netanyahu’s own Defense Minister - turned out in droves to make it clear they would not stand for it…and they succeeded.  So strong was the Israeli people’s commitment to democracy that Netanyahu was forced to back down. 

Honestly, Israel held up far better in the face of an aspiring dictator than our institutional checks and balances did during the Summer of 2019 - January 2021 portion of Trump’s Presidency.  For one thing, Israel has always had a peaceful transfer of power which isn’t even true here anymore after the 1/6 insurrection. 

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Biden to Netanyahu is basically the equivalent of Lukashenko to Putin

Imagine actually believing this  

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Netanyahu says that Palestinians convinced Hitler to have the Holocaust.

A claim he has made before.

In the real world, it certainly qualifies as hate speech and at least arguably as objectively AS.

It’s not hate speech.  It’s just really, really, really dumb nonsense that makes Netanyahu sound like an idiot.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

https://twitter.com/haaretzcom/status/1747257400854200388

Netanyahu’s government is filled with racist scumbags.  In other news, water is still wet.  All that and more at 11:00!

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

This is where I see things going at this point. Israel is either forced to comply or they become South Africa.
EU’s top diplomat: Palestinian state may need to be imposed on Israel from outside

Imagine actually believing this

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

They don't have memory, they're just blinded by hatred

https://twitter.com/returnstosender/status/1748747028941738369?t=MSa1o6rTDUc1N7p...

Imagine actually believing this

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

They don't have memory, they're just blinded by hatred

https://twitter.com/returnstosender/status/1748747028941738369?t=MSa1o6rTDUc1N7p...

Imagine actually believing this

What do you not find believable? CNN is sensationalist but I'm not seeing the lie here..? Enlighten me.

I meant the fact that - if I am understanding it right - the tweet seems to be equating the destruction of cemeteries to the Holocaust.  That is an absurd, bizarre, and extremely offensive comparison.  It obviously sucks that some Palestinian cemeteries were destroyed, but to equate that property damage to the systematic mass murder of six million Jews can only be described as the product of a truly sick anti-Semitic mind.  Claiming this is straight out of the Holocaust is genuinely unhinged.  Straight out of the Holocaust would be if Israel was systematically trying to wipe out the entire Palestinian population (they very clearly are not) with death camps, gas chambers, forced sterilization, Einsatzgruppen-style death squads, etc, etc, etc.  

The person who made the tweet whose claim Velacso is uncritically latching onto is basically implying that tombstones at few cemeteries are of equivalent value to the lives of six million dead Jews, this is a wildly offensive and deeply anti-Semitic tweet (the same is true of Velasco’s post btw).  

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

They don't have memory, they're just blinded by hatred

https://twitter.com/returnstosender/status/1748747028941738369?t=MSa1o6rTDUc1N7p...

Imagine actually believing this

What do you not find believable? CNN is sensationalist but I'm not seeing the lie here..? Enlighten me.

I meant the fact that - if I am understanding it right - the tweet seems to be equating the destruction of cemeteries to the Holocaust.  That is an absurd, bizarre, and extremely offensive comparison.  It obviously sucks that some Palestinian cemeteries were destroyed, but to equate that property damage to the systematic mass murder of six million Jews can only be described as the product of a truly sick anti-Semitic mind.  Claiming this is straight out of the Holocaust is genuinely unhinged.  Straight out of the Holocaust would be if Israel was systematically trying to wipe out the entire Palestinian population (they very clearly are not) with death camps, gas chambers, forced sterilization, Einsatzgruppen-style death squads, etc, etc, etc.  

The person who made the tweet whose claim Velacso is uncritically latching onto is basically implying that tombstones at few cemeteries are of equivalent value to the lives of six million dead Jews, this is a wildly offensive and deeply anti-Semitic tweet (the same is true of Velasco’s post btw).  

I agree that the Holocaust comparison is a bit hyperbolic, I thought you were referring to the actual destruction of the graveyards being a lie.

No, unfortunately, I absolutely believe Israel has destroyed some gravesites and obviously that should be condemned.  I just took very serious issue with the Holocaust comparison.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

No, unfortunately, I absolutely believe Israel has destroyed some grave sights and obviously that should be condemned.  I just took very serious issue with the Holocaust comparison.

It's almost certain that what happened is Israel attempting to find the bodies of hostages executed by Hamas so that they can be returned to their families- and of course the only way of finding them would be the exhumation of graves.

Why should that be condemned?

That’s just your own personal speculation, no?  I don’t see how you can be so sure this was the case.  

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

No, unfortunately, I absolutely believe Israel has destroyed some grave sights and obviously that should be condemned.  I just took very serious issue with the Holocaust comparison.

It's almost certain that what happened is Israel attempting to find the bodies of hostages executed by Hamas so that they can be returned to their families- and of course the only way of finding them would be the exhumation of graves.

Why should that be condemned?

That’s just your own personal speculation, no?  I don’t see how you can be so sure this was the case.  

Occam's razor. We know that Hamas has killed hostages. We know that hostages' families would most likely want their remains to be returned home. Hamas has not returned those remains to Israel. We know that the most likely place to find a dead body is, in general, a grave.

And we now know that the IDF has been digging up graves.

Sure, they have not explicitly stated their motive in doing so but I think the combination of facts makes it quite obvious?

I could very easily see some soldiers simply doing this because they’re pissed off tbh.  If it’s as you say, then Israel could clear this up by simply saying so.  That they haven’t (at least afaik) is quite telling.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

They don't have memory, they're just blinded by hatred

https://twitter.com/returnstosender/status/1748747028941738369?t=MSa1o6rTDUc1N7p...

Imagine actually believing this

What do you not find believable? CNN is sensationalist but I'm not seeing the lie here..? Enlighten me.

I meant the fact that - if I am understanding it right - the tweet seems to be equating the destruction of cemeteries to the Holocaust.  That is an absurd, bizarre, and extremely offensive comparison.  It obviously sucks that some Palestinian cemeteries were destroyed, but to equate that property damage to the systematic mass murder of six million Jews can only be described as the product of a truly sick anti-Semitic mind.  Claiming this is straight out of the Holocaust is genuinely unhinged.  Straight out of the Holocaust would be if Israel was systematically trying to wipe out the entire Palestinian population (they very clearly are not) with death camps, gas chambers, forced sterilization, Einsatzgruppen-style death squads, etc, etc, etc.  

The person who made the tweet whose claim Velacso is uncritically latching onto is basically implying that tombstones at few cemeteries are of equivalent value to the lives of six million dead Jews, this is a wildly offensive and deeply anti-Semitic tweet (the same is true of Velasco’s post btw).  

I agree that the Holocaust comparison is a bit hyperbolic, I thought you were referring to the actual destruction of the graveyards being a lie.

No, unfortunately, I absolutely believe Israel has destroyed some grave sights and obviously that should be condemned.  I just took very serious issue with the Holocaust comparison.

The Holocaust comparison is completely nonsensical; it was a watershed moment in history that is rightfully held up as one of the worst crimes committed against humanity.

That said, none of these means we shouldn't demand a higher standard from Israel. I have always believe they have a right to exists as a sovereign state and homeland for the Jewish people, and I have no doubt my politics would be vastly different if I lived there. I'm no anti-Semite, despite some obvious bad-faith people trying to characterise me as one.

I'm sorry to say Mr X. Is making a dishonest distortion of the meaning of that tweet posted by Sasha Senderovich, author of "How the Soviet Jew Was Made".

Saying "the destruction of cemeteries is the stuff of nightmares of Jewish collective memory" is not meant to equate those desecrations to the six million Jews dead. Senderivich is simply arguing the destruction of cemeteries in Gaza implies that the Israelis perpetrating these actions have lost the memory of the atrocities perpetrated during the Holocaust. In other words, these actions are disrespectful to that collective memory.

Also, saying that any coverage not favorable to Israel’s actions is sensationalistwon't make his undefensible claims acceptable

Dude, he explicitly made the Holocaust comparison in his tweet (“straight out of the history of the Holocaust”).  

As for the bolded part, show me a single post where I have ever said that.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Either you have reading comprehension issues, or you are being overtly dishonest. You are going too far distorting the statements of other people, Mr X. That's not acceptable. You resort to such tactics because you find yourself in an indefensible position alongside Netanyahuand his Kahanist friends. That's truly sad

Please show me a single post where I have ever said I supported Netanyahu, supported the Kahanist lunatics, or said that any and all media criticism of Israel is automatically sensationalist.  And while you’re at it, if you disagree with me then please respond to what I’ve actually said rather than making dishonest personal attacks.

Also, calling me pro-Netanyahu is especially laughable given that, since I practice Reform Judaism, Netanyahu (and much of Likud, for that matter) do not even consider me Jewish and want to revoke right of return for Reform Jews with no exceptions.  I’ve also literally been criticizing Netanyahu for his policies towards the Palestinians since before you started posting on Atlas.  

Lastly, Kahanist?  Really?  WTF is wrong with you?  I haven’t accused you of being a Hamas supporter, so kindly show me the same courtesy and spare me that BS.  You know better!  Respond to what I’ve actually said.  Don’t falsely accuse folks you disagree with of being terrorist supporters.  It is beyond vile!  Incidentally, my fiancé is an agnostic from an otherwise Catholic family, so I’m pretty sure actual Kahanists would at best not consider me a real Jew and at worst want to see me dead in a ditch for being in a relationship with someone who isn’t Jewish.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Either you have reading comprehension issues, or you are being overtly dishonest. You are going too far distorting the statements of other people, Mr X. That's not acceptable. You resort to such tactics because you find yourself in an indefensible position alongside Netanyahuand his Kahanist friends. That's truly sad

Please show me a single post where I have ever said I supported Netanyahu, supported the Kahanist lunatics, or said that any and all media criticism of Israel is automatically sensationalist.  And while you’re at it, if you disagree with me then please respond to what I’ve actually said rather than making dishonest personal attacks.

Also, calling me pro-Netanyahu is especially laughable given that, since I practice Reform Judaism, Netanyahu (and much of Likud, for that matter) do not even consider me Jewish and want to revoke right of return for Reform Jews with no exceptions.  I’ve also literally been criticizing Netanyahu for his policies towards the Palestinians since before you started posting on Atlas.  

Lastly, Kahanist?  Really?  WTF?  I haven’t accused you of being a Hamas supporter, so kindly show me the same courtesy and spare me that BS.  You know better!  Respond to what I’ve actually said.  Don’t falsely accuse folks you disagree with of being terrorist supporters.  It is beyond vile!

I didn't say you are Likudnik or Kahanist. I implied you are siding (you are "alongside") with Israel's government.  if I'm not wrong, that government currently incorporates Likudniks, Kahanists, Haredi elements and a certain Benny Gantz. You may have other sympathies, maybe you support one of the opposition parties. However, the relevant question concerning this discussion is that you stand with the government led by Netanyahu.  Please don't start distorting my posts

I misunderstood your post.  I thought you were accusing me of being a Khananist Likudnik, my bad.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

https://twitter.com/tparsi/status/1749483187309326846?t=scYcn5VXXoqpbWDUzrd-Lw&a...

https://english.elpais.com/international/2024-01-22/25000-deaths-in-gaza-why-the-destruction-of-this-war-exceeds-that-of-other-major-conflicts.html

This pace has caused the death toll in Gaza to reach 10,000 after just the first month of attacks. In Ukraine, it took a year and a half to reach that number (including civilians only) (...)

These numbers are explained, in part, because the magnitude of Israel’s attack is unprecedented. There have never been as many airstrikes with civilian casualties in the Middle East conflicts as those that were recorded in October and November in Gaza and the West Bank: 1,614, almost all of them in Gaza, according to data from the Armed Conflict Location and Event Data Project (ACLED).

(...)

A direct consequence of these bombings is the destruction in Gaza. Around half of the buildings in Gaza have been damaged or destroyed, a figure that rises to between 72% and 84% in the north of the Palestinian enclave, according to an analysis based on images from the Copernicus Sentinel-1 satellite

(...)

At the start of the war, military spokesman Daniel Hagari admitted that the “emphasis” of bombing was on damage, not precision. U.S. intelligence services estimate that about half of the munitions Israel has dropped from the air are unguided.

(...)

Among those killed in Gaza, there is no way to distinguish between Hamas militiamen and civilians, but the death toll has been contrasted and verified in several international scientific studies. In addition, there is a very high percentage of women and children, who are unlikely to be militiamen, among the victims.
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The figures are partly explained by the demographics of Gaza, where one in two people is underage: it is sadly logical that in an indiscriminate bombing one in two victims would be a child.

(...)

Gazan authorities, who are publishing a list with the names, surnames and ID of the deceased, also estimate that there are about 7,000 people under the rubble. The situation makes it difficult to estimate deaths due to lack of medical care (more than 62,000 injuries have been recorded), hunger (most people can hope for no more than one meal a day) or illnesses caused by sleeping in tents in the coldest months of the year.
 

Imagine actually believing Hamas’ numbers

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Right now, in the United States, if two people commit the same crime, and, one is a drug addict, and, one is not, they are not treated the same. We punish the more innocent one, and we try to rehabilitate the more guilty one. I think that is horrible public policy, but, I don't claim it is "prejudicial" in any fashion. You are asserting an ideal that simply does not exist in the real world.

As to proportional response, you are not being accurate, and, perhaps not truthful. Israel overran the Saini in 6 days. I don't take seriously the viewpoint that Israel could not have capture the Gaza Strip in 6 weeks. The conflict has been dragged out to maximize the damage to the physical infrastructure there. That is not targeting HAMAS, that is targeting civilians. Destroying every home is grossly disproportionate.

I don't think anything you are saying disproves my contention that "the law should be applied equally" is a desirable condition. This doesn't mean that there can't be mitigating factors -- I would support more lenient punishments for very young offenders, who might plausibly reform, than for older offenders, who are likelier to be set in their ways -- but these, too, should be applied equally.

I think highly mobile tank warfare is of a different kind than attempting to storm a heavily fortified city. (I also think, while I substantially disagree with many of his assessments, Modern Bourbon Democrat is obviously correct that the conditions of 21st-century warfare are such that the defenders' advantage has grown substantially.)
 

Your argument has the flaw that United States because friends with Japan and Germany after the war. That simply isn't going to happen in Gaza. We did that because we were rational self-interested people. The people of Gaza aren't ever going to blame anyone other than Israel for destroying their homes. That is how human nature works. Employment in Israel was the Trojan Horse that was undermining HAMAS. HAMAS ended it, and Israel took the blame. HAMAS 1 Israel 0.

It would absolutely be possible to occupy Gaza, install an explicit Collaborationist Party government (and not the PA; a government which installs an education system saying that the IDF victory was good) which is dependent on Israeli backup to remain in power, and then leave them there for a few decades. By the conclusion of that time period those who have done well under Collaborationist rule, and the particularly credulous who have grown up in that education system, will be sufficiently set in their ways that even if there is a shift away from that government there will not be a societal consensus in favor of attacking Israel. Also, those most opposed to Collaborationist rule will gradually leave, and the Collaborationists can keep hanging people who oppose them.

Source: the Eastern Bloc was a thing that existed. This is also basically what the Syngman Rhee regime in South Korea was, in my understanding.

BigSkyBob is a notorious troll; just put him on ignore. 

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Right now, in the United States, if two people commit the same crime, and, one is a drug addict, and, one is not, they are not treated the same. We punish the more innocent one, and we try to rehabilitate the more guilty one. I think that is horrible public policy, but, I don't claim it is "prejudicial" in any fashion. You are asserting an ideal that simply does not exist in the real world.

As to proportional response, you are not being accurate, and, perhaps not truthful. Israel overran the Saini in 6 days. I don't take seriously the viewpoint that Israel could not have capture the Gaza Strip in 6 weeks. The conflict has been dragged out to maximize the damage to the physical infrastructure there. That is not targeting HAMAS, that is targeting civilians. Destroying every home is grossly disproportionate.

I don't think anything you are saying disproves my contention that "the law should be applied equally" is a desirable condition. This doesn't mean that there can't be mitigating factors -- I would support more lenient punishments for very young offenders, who might plausibly reform, than for older offenders, who are likelier to be set in their ways -- but these, too, should be applied equally.

I think highly mobile tank warfare is of a different kind than attempting to storm a heavily fortified city. (I also think, while I substantially disagree with many of his assessments, Modern Bourbon Democrat is obviously correct that the conditions of 21st-century warfare are such that the defenders' advantage has grown substantially.)
 

Your argument has the flaw that United States because friends with Japan and Germany after the war. That simply isn't going to happen in Gaza. We did that because we were rational self-interested people. The people of Gaza aren't ever going to blame anyone other than Israel for destroying their homes. That is how human nature works. Employment in Israel was the Trojan Horse that was undermining HAMAS. HAMAS ended it, and Israel took the blame. HAMAS 1 Israel 0.

It would absolutely be possible to occupy Gaza, install an explicit Collaborationist Party government (and not the PA; a government which installs an education system saying that the IDF victory was good) which is dependent on Israeli backup to remain in power, and then leave them there for a few decades. By the conclusion of that time period those who have done well under Collaborationist rule, and the particularly credulous who have grown up in that education system, will be sufficiently set in their ways that even if there is a shift away from that government there will not be a societal consensus in favor of attacking Israel. Also, those most opposed to Collaborationist rule will gradually leave, and the Collaborationists can keep hanging people who oppose them.

Source: the Eastern Bloc was a thing that existed. This is also basically what the Syngman Rhee regime in South Korea was, in my understanding.

BigSkyBob is a notorious troll; just put him on ignore. 

And yet, he's not the one who has accused me of supporting slavery.

What does one thing have to do with another?

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Right now, in the United States, if two people commit the same crime, and, one is a drug addict, and, one is not, they are not treated the same. We punish the more innocent one, and we try to rehabilitate the more guilty one. I think that is horrible public policy, but, I don't claim it is "prejudicial" in any fashion. You are asserting an ideal that simply does not exist in the real world.

As to proportional response, you are not being accurate, and, perhaps not truthful. Israel overran the Saini in 6 days. I don't take seriously the viewpoint that Israel could not have capture the Gaza Strip in 6 weeks. The conflict has been dragged out to maximize the damage to the physical infrastructure there. That is not targeting HAMAS, that is targeting civilians. Destroying every home is grossly disproportionate.

I don't think anything you are saying disproves my contention that "the law should be applied equally" is a desirable condition. This doesn't mean that there can't be mitigating factors -- I would support more lenient punishments for very young offenders, who might plausibly reform, than for older offenders, who are likelier to be set in their ways -- but these, too, should be applied equally.

I think highly mobile tank warfare is of a different kind than attempting to storm a heavily fortified city. (I also think, while I substantially disagree with many of his assessments, Modern Bourbon Democrat is obviously correct that the conditions of 21st-century warfare are such that the defenders' advantage has grown substantially.)
 

Your argument has the flaw that United States because friends with Japan and Germany after the war. That simply isn't going to happen in Gaza. We did that because we were rational self-interested people. The people of Gaza aren't ever going to blame anyone other than Israel for destroying their homes. That is how human nature works. Employment in Israel was the Trojan Horse that was undermining HAMAS. HAMAS ended it, and Israel took the blame. HAMAS 1 Israel 0.

It would absolutely be possible to occupy Gaza, install an explicit Collaborationist Party government (and not the PA; a government which installs an education system saying that the IDF victory was good) which is dependent on Israeli backup to remain in power, and then leave them there for a few decades. By the conclusion of that time period those who have done well under Collaborationist rule, and the particularly credulous who have grown up in that education system, will be sufficiently set in their ways that even if there is a shift away from that government there will not be a societal consensus in favor of attacking Israel. Also, those most opposed to Collaborationist rule will gradually leave, and the Collaborationists can keep hanging people who oppose them.

Source: the Eastern Bloc was a thing that existed. This is also basically what the Syngman Rhee regime in South Korea was, in my understanding.

BigSkyBob is a notorious troll; just put him on ignore.  

And yet, he's not the one who has accused me of supporting slavery.

What does one thing have to do with another?

I just find it interesting the standards being applied here.

Someone raising points that should probably be considered=troll.

Someone who repeatedly accuses another poster of supporting slavery=not a troll.

I don’t waste my time on BigSkyBob posts and haven’t for years.  He’s a troll who shows up during election years to try and start flame wars.


As for Vosem, I have hardly even commented on (much less, expressed support for) Vosem’s position.  This isn’t the gotcha you seem to think it is.  Also, I have already told you that I thought if everything was as you claim then Vosem’s accusation against you was unacceptable so spare me the bad-faith whining about imaginary hypocrisy.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Yeah, whatever comes next, there will have to be some hard decisions made to protect Israel's security and ensure a stable and acceptable resolution for the Palestinian people happens -and Netanyahu and his goon squad are uniquely unqualified to deal with it.

Agreed, the current situation is simply not sustainable for either side.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

https://twitter.com/financialjuice/status/1755284262574584062

Really bad for Biden's odds

Imagine actually believing this will hurt Biden

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

An attack of Rafah starts a regional war and will essentially turn the whole Arab world against Israel instantly.

1) No, it won’t

2) The entire Arab world is already against Israel

3) This is the same thing we were told after Al-Arouri was taken out

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

https://twitter.com/GailSimone/status/1757108015423963386

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1756990510487449645

Hamas is not a credible source

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

https://twitter.com/GailSimone/status/1757108015423963386
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1756990510487449645

Hamas is not a credible source

Why has the IDF considered, and rejected, the idea of not using their data then?

Because unfortunately there isn’t really any other data to work with at the moment, but that doesn’t mean Hamas’ is even remotely credible. 

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Benjamin Netanyahu snaps and threatens Lula: “Crossed a Red Line”

https://twitter.com/netanyahu/status/1759221711403188718

The words of the president of Brazil are shameful and serious. This is about trivializing the Holocaust and trying to harm the Jewish people and Israel's right to defend itself.

Comparing Israel to the Nazi Holocaust and Hitler is crossing a red line. Israel fights for its defense and securing its future until complete victory and it does so while upholding international law.

I decided with Foreign Minister Israel Katz to summon the Brazilian ambassador to Israel for a stern reprimand conversation immediately.

Fed through Google translate

Sounds like Lula was being an anti-Semitic scumbag.  Gotta give the devil his due, more power to Netanyahu for pushing back on Lula’s vile blood libel.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Benjamin Netanyahu snaps and threatens Lula: “Crossed a Red Line”

https://twitter.com/netanyahu/status/1759221711403188718

Yeah can't wait for Israel to invade Brazil. What are they gonna do about it

They did something, they just declared Lula “Persona Non Grata” in Israel as a reaction lol.

That’s actually the moment I feel the proudest about my vote tbh, I always saw Lula as someone too weak and conciliatory to buy any fight with literally anyone so him taking a stand on this makes me happy.

Meanwhile, no other global leader joined or supported Israel on this to condemn Lula’s comparison. This is historical and Lula helps move/consolidate the international position on this matter and Brazil as a leadership voice for the Global South.

Imagine being such a rabid and viciously anti-Semitic bigot that Lula’s comment made you “proud.”

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

What is Israel's plan after the current campaign ends?

No home, no work, no education, no health care makes for a perfect breeding ground for terrorists.

Or is the immediate plan still to expel Palestinians from Gaza?

The plan seems to be to permanently occupy a buffer zone near the border, massively fortified as a sort of DMZ to prevent any further incursions with extreme prejudice. The remaining 90% or so of Gaza will likely be rebuilt by the world at large, with little involvement from Israel, but the effectiveness of that will heavily depend on what Egypt does about their border.

If Gaza turns into a breeding ground for terrorists, Israel has only itself to blame.

This is children’s cartoon bad guy logic