Joe Biden 2020 campaign megathread

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Guess it’s Jill Stein 2020 for me!

I mean, you already support Gabbard, so you might as well vote for another Russia shill in the GE.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Guess it’s Jill Stein 2020 for me!

I mean, you already support Gabbard, so you might as well vote for another Russia shill in the GE.

Please don’t ever quote me again. I don’t care about your opinions in the slightest, and this is why I have you on ignore.

Well now I’m just confused  Don’t worry though, I’d be happy to help you sift through all this cognitive dissonance, but first we have to identify the central issue.  Is the problem that you can’t stop responding to my posts despite claiming to have me on ignore because you lack the self-discipline to simply resist the urge to click “show?”  If this is the case and you simply cannot bare the thought of being deprived of my cutting wit and piercing insights into the human condition, might I suggest simply reading my posts?  Then again, you could always just stop posting on Atlas entirely.  That way I can’t quote your posts anymore

On the other hand, if the issue is that my posts keep triggering you despite your insistence that you don’t care what I think, I can always recommend this incredible procedure called “keeping things in perspective.”  Here’s how it works: you remember that this forum has racists, rape-apologists, anti-Semites, misogynists, homophobes, anti-Mormon and anti-evangelical bigots, amoral hacks, and people who make fun of other posters for being on the Autistic spectrum running around...then you ask yourself why my posts - out of everything on Atlas - were the thing that triggers you.  Of course, if you’d prefer a cruder and less reflective approach (and some certainly do), I could always just write a prescription for “get a thicker skin.”  That’s not how I like to approach these things, but to each their own.

Facetiousness aside, it’s all the same to me.  I don’t have you on ignore because that’s for posters who genuinely bother me and as such, it’s valuable real estate.  All due respect, but I don’t give you nearly enough thought to find you annoying (writing this post is certainly the most time I’ve spent on the subject).  If anything, I actually find your posts mildly amusing at times.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Guess it’s Jill Stein 2020 for me!

I mean, you already support Gabbard, so you might as well vote for another Russia shill in the GE.

Please don’t ever quote me again. I don’t care about your opinions in the slightest, and this is why I have you on ignore.

Well now I’m just confused  Don’t worry though, I’d be happy to help you sift through all this cognitive dissonance, but first we have to identify the central issue.  Is the problem that you can’t stop responding to my posts despite claiming to have me on ignore because you lack the self-discipline to simply resist the urge to click “show?”  If this is the case and you simply cannot bare the thought of being deprived of my cutting wit and piercing insights into the human condition, might I suggest simply reading my posts?  Then again, you could always just stop posting on Atlas entirely.  That way I can’t quote your posts anymore

On the other hand, if the issue is that my posts keep triggering you despite your insistence that you don’t care what I think, I can always recommend this incredible procedure called “keeping things in perspective.”  Here’s how it works: you remember that this forum has racists, rape-apologists, anti-Semites, misogynists, homophobes, anti-Mormon and anti-evangelical bigots, amoral hacks, and people who make fun of other posters for being on the Autistic spectrum running around...then you ask yourself why my posts - out of everything on Atlas - were the thing that triggers you.  Of course, if you’d prefer a cruder and less reflective approach (and some certainly do), I could always just write a prescription for “get a thicker skin.”  That’s not how I like to approach these things, but to each their own.

Facetiousness aside, it’s all the same to me.  I don’t have you on ignore because that’s for posters who genuinely bother me and as such, it’s valuable real estate.  All due respect, but I don’t give you nearly enough thought to find you annoying (writing this post is certainly the most time I’ve spent on the subject).  If anything, I actually find your posts mildly amusing at times.

The fact you took the time to write all that just for me makes my heart feel all warm and fuzzy.

I’m not sure if you’re dyslexic or just can’t read, but I’ll quote my relevant response below:

Guess it’s Jill Stein 2020 for me!

Amazing choice voting for someone who has zero chance of being elected vs someone who could, and probably agrees with u on 80% of the issues! Voting like that is a privilege. You obviously have nothing to lose from Trump being President

Oh, I have far more to lose by Trump being president than most people on this forum, probably.

I’m being dramatic to express my great dislike of Joe. If by some miracle Texas is close I’ll probably hold my nose, but I firmly believe he’d be the worst Democratic nominee of the 21st century by a country mile.

And I certainly won’t campaign for or donate to him, like I plan to do with almost any other democratic nominee (and have already done with Tulsi).

Actually, I hadn’t looked at the thread since the post you initially responded to and had forgotten it was even a thing (I first saw your reply in the bad posts thread), but thanks for playing  

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

This has Gillibrand's smell all over it.

She really thinks she can just "metoo" her way to the top.

She is a pretty little rich white daddy's girl who is used to having everything handed to her, having to really work for something with opposition must be a shock to her. So she is back to tried and true white girl ways.

This is a really racist and misogynistic post.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

"Oh my god Joe Biden is a pedophile and has been on tape, for years, we'll just ignore the part how we were all ok with it for years when he was vp but now we're suddenly woke." - Democrats who have truly gone off the deep end.

This has been a revealing news cycle.

Somehow, people who have followed politics for years, who have joked about Joe Biden, and who have known perfectly well how he behaved in public for at least the duration of his vice presidency, if not longer... all of them have experienced a simultaneous Damascene conversion.

Moreover, since it's woke to insist that this is about power over women and sexual gratification, these critics are forced to the absurd conclusion that Joe Biden must be not just a creep, but a pedophile who's been getting his rocks off in public for decades.

Is it cynical, or is it sincere? Honestly, I'm not sure which is worse.

- I actually don't think Biden's behavior in this respect was well known at all prior to this incident tbh.  I certainly didn't know there had been anything other than the incident with Ash Carter's wife, which I had always said was kinda creepy prior to her recent comments on the matter.  And that's the appropriate word for most of the behavior in question tbh: "creepy." 

However, Biden's behavior towards Flores – assuming the 2014 incident actually happened (and nothing I've read leads me to doubt that it did) – was completely unacceptable.  Americans should both expect and demand better from those seeking the Presidency (or any other public office, for that matter).  Furthermore, AFAIK Biden hasn't shown any sign that he thinks he did anything wrong which is a problem in and of itself.  His response has essentially been: "I didn't do anything wrong, but I'm sorry that you were uncomfortable with how I behaved for some weird reason." 

When politicians give a non-apology apology about something where it's unclear whether one should give them the benefit of the doubt, they make it that you can't give them the benefit of the doubt anymore even if you want to imo.  Either Flores is making this whole thing up (in which case that's obviously horrible for a litany of reasons and Biden should fight back) or Biden behaved in a completely unacceptable manner (whether he meant well or not) and still doesn't see why it was wrong which (among other things) raises serious questions about both his judgement and his personal values (which is arguably another issue in-and-of-itself). 

- Re: Your third paragraph and your post's last two sentences: I could be wrong, but AFAIK no one except a smattering of anti-Biden hacks on Atlas have suggested that Biden is a pedophile or even that he belongs in the same category as folks like Franken, Trump, etc.  What I have seen are folks arguing that his behavior is creepy, that the Flores incident was unacceptable, and an internal debate within the Democratic Party over whether such behavior should be disqualifying on its own (with plenty of Democrats – rightly or wrongly – proving perfectly willing to give Biden a pass on this).  I think this part of your post conflates a few random internet posters with most Democrats in a way that is rather misleading (just to be clear, I'm not saying you did this intentionally). 

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Three more women have spoken out. Now up to 7.

https://nypost.com/2019/04/03/joe-biden-accused-by-3-more-women-putting-total-to-7/

This is really starting to do more harm than good to other victims of sexual harassment and sexual assault. Especially this quote right here.

"Someone printed her the photo of that moment, which Karasek framed and put on a shelf, but later took it down as the #MeToo movement began drawing more attention to cases of sexual harassment, assault, and unwanted touching."

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

looks like Biden is caught up in a scandal already, it's crazy how similar this all is to Hillary.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/01/us/politics/biden-son-ukraine.html

You do realize Rudy Giuliani is only like one or two rungs above Jacob Wohl on the credibility ladder, right?  For those who haven't read the article [titled "Biden Faces Conflict of Interest Questions that are Being Promoted by Trump and Allies"] Giuliani [who is quite frequently quoted in the article] is the primary person trying to push this apparent nothing-burger (barring some sort of major new development not mentioned in the article) claim about Biden.  One would have hoped folks would know by now that Giuliani's claims should be treated with considerable skepticism (to say the least) and he's clearly the main source for this article.

Also, Ukraine was being pressured to fire its Prosecutor General because he apparently had a history of ignoring corruption by his Ukrainian political allies.  Biden wasn't just going off and privately pushing Ukraine to fire its Prosecutor General, the Obama administration, The International Monetary Fund, and The World Bank (among others) were all calling for the guy to be fired (according to the linked article).  In other words, it had nothing to do with Joe Biden or his son.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Biden slurring again this time in his own video from his campaign (at 32 seconds and 36). If he's slurring his words throughout the debate next month especially standing next to younger candidates I just can't see how he maintains his support.

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1130866163783806981

Yikes!

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

"Winning" against Trump and his party by throwing away what makes us better than them is no win at all.
 
While Trump and the GOP have set the bar for "better" very low, turning the Democrats into their mirror image,  only with different shibboleths, is an even worse outcome than another Republican win. (And yes, I'm well aware that most Republicans think that is already the state of things. They are wrong, at least for now.)

This statement is nonsense if you really believe that Trump is as bad as you've been saying he is on a daily basis for years now.  You either believe your own lines or you don't, but actions will show that.

Nah, it’s just reflective of the fact that Ghost of Ruin has a moral compass

"Winning" against Trump and his party by throwing away what makes us better than them is no win at all.
 
While Trump and the GOP have set the bar for "better" very low, turning the Democrats into their mirror image,  only with different shibboleths, is an even worse outcome than another Republican win. (And yes, I'm well aware that most Republicans think that is already the state of things. They are wrong, at least for now.)

That rather validates my point, Ghost Ruin. They would rather win, and you would rather be right. So both will occur.

“Becoming a proudly sociopathic personality cult of racists, misogynists, crypto-fascist clowns, corporatists who worship the dollar above all else, and Elmer Gantry evangelicals whose thirty silver pieces came in the form of federal judicial appointments, all while being led around by a mentally incompetent traitor like rats following the Pied Piper” and “losing in 2020” are not the only two options.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

https://twitter.com/AaronBlake/status/1139603681282863104

Trumps own internals against Biden have him down 16 in PA, 10 in WI, 7 in FL, and up 2 in TX.

These could be old....but man those numbers are brutal if true.

down 16 in PA but only down 7 in FL? strange if true. But internals have a.... mixed track record anyway

That looks reasonable.  Pennsylvania was one of the epicenters of the 2018 wave and I see no reason to think Trump won't get absolutely blown out of the water there in 2020, regardless of whether he wins or loses (unless the Democrats do something monumentally stupid like nominating Sanders)