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« Reply #850 on: May 01, 2019, 08:19:52 AM »

Its pretty easy to see why democrats like Biden. He's a big dollop of generic with just a hint of likability. After almost 4 years of Trump, the average democrat craves anything resembling normalcy. And yes, Biden's voting record and behavior towards Anita Hill will probably hurt him in the primary. But no one is going to care come the general when he's facing Trump. As long as Biden doesn't have some reoccurring scandal(like Hillary's emails), he'll be fine.

There's the problem. He's literally got Anita Hill and the touchy-feelies against him. Trump and the hypocritical GOP will use that, and it will stick.

There's also his Ukraine issue.

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/436816-joe-bidens-2020-ukrainian-nightmare-a-closed-probe-is-revived


I'm sorry but if you believe this is going to be a successful GOP talking point in 2020, I have a bridge to sell you.

Yeah, LMAO that Trump of all people will stake out a high ground on Ukraine.

If this does have anything to do with his son, it was a tangential reason. Shokin was perhaps the core obstacle to the Ukrainian reform process when he was in office, and his legacy continues to pervade the GPO as a reactionary institution. The US was right to use its influence to remove him, though he should be in prison rather than retirement.
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« Reply #851 on: May 01, 2019, 09:14:07 AM »

Its pretty easy to see why democrats like Biden. He's a big dollop of generic with just a hint of likability. After almost 4 years of Trump, the average democrat craves anything resembling normalcy. And yes, Biden's voting record and behavior towards Anita Hill will probably hurt him in the primary. But no one is going to care come the general when he's facing Trump. As long as Biden doesn't have some reoccurring scandal(like Hillary's emails), he'll be fine.

Hillary's emails were a completely manufactured bullshet "scandal," and there's no reason to assume any Democrat, including Biden, would be spared similar treatment.  Republicans have a huge strategic advantage in shaping the news.
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« Reply #852 on: May 01, 2019, 09:31:21 AM »

Its pretty easy to see why democrats like Biden. He's a big dollop of generic with just a hint of likability. After almost 4 years of Trump, the average democrat craves anything resembling normalcy. And yes, Biden's voting record and behavior towards Anita Hill will probably hurt him in the primary. But no one is going to care come the general when he's facing Trump. As long as Biden doesn't have some reoccurring scandal(like Hillary's emails), he'll be fine.

Hillary's emails were a completely manufactured bullshet "scandal," and there's no reason to assume any Democrat, including Biden, would be spared similar treatment.  Republicans have a huge strategic advantage in shaping the news.

Hilary's emails were not the sole reason why she lost. She complèted 2 terms as Senator from NY, with little to no competetion. Also, white females were still frustrated due to Bill's indecretions with women.
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Biden had personal indescretions, not ro degree of Bill Clinton.
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« Reply #853 on: May 01, 2019, 10:54:52 AM »

Biden has it locked up. The nomination, I mean. He'll lose the general election.
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« Reply #854 on: May 01, 2019, 11:51:33 AM »
« Edited: May 01, 2019, 11:58:38 AM by UWS »

Its pretty easy to see why democrats like Biden. He's a big dollop of generic with just a hint of likability. After almost 4 years of Trump, the average democrat craves anything resembling normalcy. And yes, Biden's voting record and behavior towards Anita Hill will probably hurt him in the primary. But no one is going to care come the general when he's facing Trump. As long as Biden doesn't have some reoccurring scandal(like Hillary's emails), he'll be fine.

Hillary's emails were a completely manufactured bullshet "scandal," and there's no reason to assume any Democrat, including Biden, would be spared similar treatment.  Republicans have a huge strategic advantage in shaping the news.

Hilary's emails were not the sole reason why she lost. She complèted 2 terms as Senator from NY, with little to no competetion. Also, white females were still frustrated due to Bill's indecretions with women.
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Biden had personal indescretions, not ro degree of Bill Clinton.

It was also because she has consistently lied to the families of the victims of the terrorist attack in Benghazi of September 2012 when she was Secretary of State about the purpose of the attack, telling them that it was because of a video while she knew that this was because of a terrorist attack. On this issue, she even replied to Congress the following infamous phrase : « What difference at this point does it make? », which further made it clear that she was not honest and trustworthy to keep America safe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8INIH0JfNA8
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« Reply #855 on: May 01, 2019, 01:19:10 PM »

Biden has it locked up. The nomination, I mean. He'll lose the general election.


It's way too early to make either of these statements.
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« Reply #856 on: May 01, 2019, 03:09:36 PM »



Don’t many Iowa voters view China as a job stealer?

Also, don’t most economists agree we are an economic foe of China?

Regardless of whether he is right or wrong, this might not be the best thing to say in a wwc state
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« Reply #857 on: May 01, 2019, 03:10:51 PM »

This just sounds like economic nationalism, if anything.
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« Reply #858 on: May 01, 2019, 03:18:33 PM »

[tweet][https://mobile.twitter.com/lachlan/status/1123677682640871425/tweet]
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« Reply #859 on: May 01, 2019, 03:24:01 PM »



Don’t many Iowa voters view China as a job stealer?

Also, don’t most economists agree we are an economic foe of China?

Regardless of whether he is right or wrong, this might not be the best thing to say in a wwc state

Of course Biden voted for normal trade relations with China, while Bernie voted no.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/106th-congress/house-bill/4444/actions
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« Reply #860 on: May 01, 2019, 03:26:51 PM »

This just sounds like economic nationalism, if anything.

Thats exactly what it is.
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« Reply #861 on: May 01, 2019, 03:47:13 PM »

I just don't see how his 'union guy Rust Belt hero' shtick is gonna last given his record on trade.
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« Reply #862 on: May 01, 2019, 03:48:16 PM »

I just don't see how his 'union guy Rust Belt hero' shtick is gonna last given his record on trade.

Trump was all in on nafta, etc before 2015

Voters care about what you say now, not then.
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« Reply #863 on: May 01, 2019, 04:17:03 PM »



Don’t many Iowa voters view China as a job stealer?

Also, don’t most economists agree we are an economic foe of China?

Regardless of whether he is right or wrong, this might not be the best thing to say in a wwc state

Perhaps it takes a Kantian to defeat a Kantian?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOYoou3genk
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« Reply #864 on: May 01, 2019, 04:26:58 PM »

Its pretty easy to see why democrats like Biden. He's a big dollop of generic with just a hint of likability. After almost 4 years of Trump, the average democrat craves anything resembling normalcy. And yes, Biden's voting record and behavior towards Anita Hill will probably hurt him in the primary. But no one is going to care come the general when he's facing Trump. As long as Biden doesn't have some reoccurring scandal(like Hillary's emails), he'll be fine.

Hillary's emails were a completely manufactured bullshet "scandal," and there's no reason to assume any Democrat, including Biden, would be spared similar treatment.  Republicans have a huge strategic advantage in shaping the news.

Hilary's emails were not the sole reason why she lost. She complèted 2 terms as Senator from NY, with little to no competetion. Also, white females were still frustrated due to Bill's indecretions with women.
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Biden had personal indescretions, not ro degree of Bill Clinton.

It was also because she has consistently lied to the families of the victims of the terrorist attack in Benghazi of September 2012 when she was Secretary of State about the purpose of the attack, telling them that it was because of a video while she knew that this was because of a terrorist attack. On this issue, she even replied to Congress the following infamous phrase : « What difference at this point does it make? », which further made it clear that she was not honest and trustworthy to keep America safe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8INIH0JfNA8

America was safe - those idiots had no business being in Libya!

(Irrelevant response to an irrelevant poster responding to OC of all people, but that's what the narrative should have been all this time and I stand by it.)
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« Reply #865 on: May 01, 2019, 06:43:14 PM »

He's bombing on the trail gaffes galore, he's going to fall hard.
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« Reply #866 on: May 01, 2019, 06:47:53 PM »

He's bombing on the trail gaffes galore, he's going to fall hard.

We can only hope so, but I think he's such a gaffe machine that these have more or less already been factored in.
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« Reply #867 on: May 01, 2019, 07:01:53 PM »

He's bombing on the trail gaffes galore, he's going to fall hard.

We can only hope so, but I think he's such a gaffe machine that these have more or less already been factored in.

I think his gaffes are the least of his problems, especially now that things Trump says intentionally are worse than Biden's mouth diarrhea moments.
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« Reply #868 on: May 01, 2019, 08:15:40 PM »

looks like Biden is caught up in a scandal already, it's crazy how similar this all is to Hillary.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/01/us/politics/biden-son-ukraine.html
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« Reply #869 on: May 01, 2019, 08:22:17 PM »

Literally Hillary 2.0, he's also cagey with the press. Not too long before he has a ropeline.

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« Reply #870 on: May 01, 2019, 08:25:44 PM »

Like I've said, Biden has zero chance and is overhyped to hell. We need to nominate literally anyone but him.
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« Reply #871 on: May 01, 2019, 08:30:28 PM »

Like I've said, Biden has zero chance and is overhyped to hell. We need to nominate literally anyone but him.

Agreed. The whole electability is myth.I hope we don't fall it. He needs to retire.
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« Reply #872 on: May 01, 2019, 09:50:47 PM »

Which Joe Biden’s connection to China and Ukraine end up being an issue in the primary?
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« Reply #873 on: May 01, 2019, 10:05:00 PM »

Teflon Joe. None of these issues will matter to the common person.
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« Reply #874 on: May 02, 2019, 08:10:07 AM »



Don’t many Iowa voters view China as a job stealer?

Also, don’t most economists agree we are an economic foe of China?

Regardless of whether he is right or wrong, this might not be the best thing to say in a wwc state
China is one of the top buyers of American agricultural products, so many people in a state like Iowa are going to want stable economic terms with them.
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