Bernie Sanders 2020 campaign megathread v2 (pg 77 - declares victory in Iowa)

[James Monroe]

Bernie's odds look grim, he has a relatively high floor but low ceiling, and most winnable voters have gone to other candidates. His numbers may gradually decline over the coming months.

His only hope at this point is if Warren collapses but at this point, that is unlikely. He may be better off dropping out. He's run a bad campaign filled with some of the most toxic people around. He should go back to what he's good at and being a Senator.

Like I've said before, Bernie and Warren's stylistic differences are strong enough to distinguish their supporter bases. Him dropping out would probably throw the election to Biden, who offers the same nostalgic appeal and appeals to a more working-class crowd.

Appeals to rationality and reality are verboten in this place, sawx.  The Old Atlas Sanders thread is merely a group therapy session for people here who hate Sanders to talk about how much they think he sucks.  Half the posts already are just call and response to General MacArthur's disastrous shrieking into the void.  Who writes posts like he does about candidates he doesn't even like?  Disturbing stuff!

You have to question a candidate with the toxic supporters he surrounds himself with in this election and the election cycle before. Bernie Sanders has been off-putting for the vast majority of voters, many seeing him as the cranky old white guy who is pissed his "vision" can't passed through congress.  Why remain with a guy who wants nothing more than for the Democratic Party to go into oblivion and surrounds himself with Russian surrogates? Half of these people supported f'ing Jill Stein, Jill Stein, the Green Party nominee who was backed by Vladimir Putin in a attempt to undermine the democratic republic electoral process. TBFH, look at what you write about Kamala Harris and all the candidates not name Saint Bernard, just pure vitriol garbage.

[James Monroe]

The article rings true in many respects, but I don't view losing the support of a heavily-gentrified WFP as an insurmountable problem for Sanders.

Let Warren focus on the NPR set. Let it continue to define her. If Sanders does well again in this cycle, he will have a younger, poorer, less degreed, and less white set of voters to thank for it.

I'm a working class Millennial. As the candidacy of Kamala Harris has gone downhill I'll pledge my support to Elizabeth Warren as the best candidate to unite all factions of each candidate base.

[James Monroe]

https://twitter.com/tommyxtopher/status/1176507686587981824

[James Monroe]

Reading through the comments in this thread really reinforce why I'm a Sanders supporter, whether he wins or not. And why I'm glad Sanders doesn't self-identify as a Democrat or a Liberal.

This is somewhat off-topic, but I find the people like yourself (green avatars and the left-wing independents) so much more tolerable to read and interact with on this forum than the rank partisan red avatars. It is really refreshing to hear perspectives that are free from tribalist dogma.

Of course you do. There is a reason why the horseshoe theory exists.

DSA socialists are just Republicans who want free healthcare, free marijuana, and free gummy bears.

[James Monroe]

This is disqualifying.

https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1186405744146554882

This alone could get me back on the Bern train. The attacks against Tulsi are disgusting, disingenuous and without merit.

There is plenty of empirical evidence that Tulsi has been supported by Russian bots.

[James Monroe]

This was a fun chant!

https://twitter.com/GaryGrumbach/status/1191164654489423872?s=19

Dump Trump!

Flush Trump!

Traitor Trump!

Or anything besides their tired old sh**t.

Mirroring Democratic rallies after the Magat Nazi sh**tshows is not a good direction to go in I think.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287334579#post17

[James Monroe]

https://mobile.twitter.com/TrinityMustache/status/1202782763553701890

Only. One. Campaign. Does. This.

Decade old Tweets?!  Oh my god you need a life.

If Pete's nearly-decade's old comments are fair game, so is this.  If Warren's speeches to the Federalist Society nearly 30 years ago are fair game, so is this.  If Biden's...well...everything is acceptable, so is this.

lol at the horrendous past decisions of buttigieg and warren being somehow placed level to some new kid sanders staffer being an idiot on twitter in 2010

The Sanders campaign just fired this staffer, so I guess they didn't agree with HockeyDude that being homophobic doesn't matter.

Just because you can be a terrible person with zero consequences on AAD doesn't mean that's true in the real world, buddy.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/06/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-staffer-out/index.html

I argued that decade old tweets from teenagers don't matter, not that homophobia doesn't matter.  I've reported your slander.  Such a pattern with you.  It's time for the mods to act.

You still haven't apologized for the misogynist slander you throw towards Hillary in the 2016 election. Just think that economic issues are prioritized more than social justice when it's the flip side for true and blue Democratic voters.

[James Monroe]

David Sirota is walking evidence of how morally and ethically bankrupt the Sanders campaign is.

I shouldn't even have to tell you that this video is out-of-context and incredibly misleading.  You should just know it from the fact that it's in a Sirota tweet.

"Morally and ethically bankrupt".  
 

David Sirota has been vicious towards the Democratic Party and it's members. We'll never forget that him and Briana supported Jill Stein over Hillary, being the Bernie voters who flipped the election when they cried and pout that Saint Bernard was not crowned the nominee. That these people bought the ludicrous conspiracy theory that the DNC RIGGED the primary in favor of Hillary Clinton, when she won the most delegates fair and square.

His hirings show how much contempt Bernie has for the party.

[James Monroe]

Vermont's former governor went after Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) on Thursday, saying that the longtime senator was willing to "play dirty" during campaigns.

Former Gov. Peter Shumlin (D), who was Vermont's governor from 2011 to 2017, told Politico that Sanders, an independent and a self-described Democratic socialist, lacks loyalty to the Democratic party.

“What I’ve seen in Bernie’s politics is he and his team feel they’re holier than the rest. In the end, they will play dirty because they think that they pass a purity test that Republicans and most Democrats don’t pass,” Shumlin told the publication.

“What you’re seeing now is, in the end, even if he considers you a friend, like [Sen.] Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), Bernie will come first. That’s the pattern we’ve seen over the years in Vermont, and that’s what we are seeing now nationally," he added.

Shumlin is referring to the weeklong spat between the two progressive candidates. Early in the week, multiple sources reported that in 2018 Sanders had told Warren in a private meeting that he didn't believe that a woman could win the White House in 2020.

Sanders categorically denied the reports, and in response Warren released an official statement standing by her claim.

The tension was obvious during Tuesday's Democratic primary debate in Iowa. After the conclusion of the debate, a hot mic picked up the two in a short scrape that ended with both senators parting ways angrily.

Shumlin, who has endorsed former Vice President Joe Biden, also said that Sanders was trying to "Hillarize," Warren, referring to former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

“We should be weakening Donald Trump, not each other,” Shumlin said. “I’m concerned that we’re seeing a replay of the kind of dynamics that didn’t allow Hillary to win.”

In 2016, Clinton beat Sanders out for the Democratic presidential nomination. 

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/478715-former-vermont-governor-sanders-will-play-dirty

[James Monroe]

Good. He has to do whatever it takes to win.

You don't see Senator Warren play this dangerous game with the voters. The senator from Vermont vows to go against his enemies in the name of revolution. That's not a reasonable rhetoric to go against the other candidates, that is Trumpism in far-left wolf clothing. Bernie has been dipping in the polls since his sexist attitude towards Warren and it's not going to win him any of his critics as it demonstrate this is the true side of his vicious personality. He's a traitor as far as I'm bothered.

[James Monroe]

Thread on Bernie's ignorance plead to white working class Trump voters.

https://twitter.com/timjacobwise/status/1218255958415011840

[James Monroe]

Bernie Sanders, a top competitor in the Democratic primaries, has attacked Joe Biden for bringing “just a lot of baggage” into the race. But if past views are a major consideration, consider the baggage that Sanders drags into the campaign.

Go back over 40 years, to the start of Iran’s long conflict with the United States. On April 1, 1979, the theocratic Islamic Republic of Iran was proclaimed. Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, who had returned to Iran from exile to assume command of the revolt, became Supreme Leader in December of that year. His rise was accelerated by the seizure on Nov. 4 of 52 American diplomats and citizens, and citizens of other countries, at the U.S. Embassy in Tehran. The hostage crisis became the means by which the Ayatollah crushed political opponents in Iran. Dealing with the hostage taking became the overwhelming political crisis for President Jimmy Carter. It lasted 444 days.

Virtually all Americans—Democrats, Republicans and independents—united in support of the hostages and the international call for their freedom. One prominent political figure on the 2020 stage, then almost completely unknown, stood apart by joining a Marxist-Leninist party that not only pledged support for the Iranian theocracy, but also justified the hostage taking by insisting the hostages were all likely CIA agents. Who was that person? It was Bernie Sanders.

https://news.yahoo.com/iran-took-americans-hostage-bernie-100052053.html?soc_src=community&soc_trk=fb

[James Monroe]

Bernie Sanders, a top competitor in the Democratic primaries, has attacked Joe Biden for bringing “just a lot of baggage” into the race. But if past views are a major consideration, consider the baggage that Sanders drags into the campaign.

Go back over 40 years, to the start of Iran’s long conflict with the United States. On April 1, 1979, the theocratic Islamic Republic of Iran was proclaimed. Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, who had returned to Iran from exile to assume command of the revolt, became Supreme Leader in December of that year. His rise was accelerated by the seizure on Nov. 4 of 52 American diplomats and citizens, and citizens of other countries, at the U.S. Embassy in Tehran. The hostage crisis became the means by which the Ayatollah crushed political opponents in Iran. Dealing with the hostage taking became the overwhelming political crisis for President Jimmy Carter. It lasted 444 days.

Virtually all Americans—Democrats, Republicans and independents—united in support of the hostages and the international call for their freedom. One prominent political figure on the 2020 stage, then almost completely unknown, stood apart by joining a Marxist-Leninist party that not only pledged support for the Iranian theocracy, but also justified the hostage taking by insisting the hostages were all likely CIA agents. Who was that person? It was Bernie Sanders.

https://news.yahoo.com/iran-took-americans-hostage-bernie-100052053.html?soc_src=community&soc_trk=fb

Not everyone can be the amazing progressive Federalist Society speaker that Warren was decades ago.

Well, they can be traitors and cheer for foreign instigators. Just as you do with your Russia cheerleading.

[James Monroe]

https://twitter.com/KHiveQueenB/status/1219740182410223616

[James Monroe]

Bernie Sanders was a proponent of neoliberal policies in 1996. Here's a video of him calling for privatizing social security. If the frontrunner for the nomination, Joe Biden, is fair game then so is the socialist senator from Vermont.

https://twitter.com/jeneps/status/1220107221272535041

[James Monroe]

Bernie Sanders was a proponent of neoliberal policies in 1996. Here's a video of him calling for privatizing social security. If the frontrunner for the nomination, Joe Biden, is fair game then so is the socialist senator from Vermont.

https://twitter.com/jeneps/status/1220107221272535041

You could also check the "adjustments" he proposed to figure out that they weren't cuts, but go off.

It's very clear from the article that Bernie wanted to make adjustments to social security which would involve cutting the program for millions of senior Americans. Bernie surrogates have been attacking Biden for dishonest attacks when he has been defending the program against conservative rhetoric since being elected to congress. What does AOC have to say about this recent discovery?

[James Monroe]

Please stop filling up the thread with vapid quotes from random Twitter people, I enjoy coming here exactly to get away from that. It's also quite telling that some posters use posts like it as stand ins for their opinions. Don't you have any intelligent thoughts of your own to contribute?

The tweets are contributions to forum discussion. What's been uttered by the largest social media platform on earth is vital to what anyone of else have to say about the election. Don't get me wrong, I love a good detail post that goes in-depth without the crassness that sometimes plagues Twitter posts, as they can distort the truth and turn the fact into a myth.

[James Monroe]

Populist gonna populist. Muh white working class!!!!

https://twitter.com/doctor_eon/status/1222983729905197056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7C...

[James Monroe]

Remember people, this campaign is touting the endorsement of a known homophobic, racist, transphobic, bro. The same campaign also endorse a well-known misogynist who is also a genocide-denying freak. A staff that is led by David Sirota, a known bigot and attacker of the Democratic Party.

What high hat game do we need to convince of Bernie Sanders incredibly toxic campaign?

[James Monroe]

More proof the Bernie camp wants nothing more than for the Democratic Party to vanish off the face of the Earth. They have the urge to tell a block of voters who have been loyal to the cause for decades now to bend their knees to bash one of the most beloved females in American history. Just think about the egregious misogyny being displayed here. There is a level of hostility towards the candidate lost through Russian instigation, whose been the smear of right-wing hit jobs since her husband presidency. Look back at Al Gore welcoming after losing the election unfairly to Bush, he was consider a staunch climate defender that we needed to hear. With Hillary the usual suspects have been doing everything in their reign to make sure that b**h, excuse my language, women will never be heard from again.


Bernie is never going to be the nominee because of this treatment. He's at fault more for Hillary derangement syndrome than Trump could ever dream of.

[James Monroe]

Hillary's statements reflect incredibly poorly on her as an individual, and hopefully everybody in Democratic politics has had their opinion of her lowered in the last month. But Hillary's not running for President.

Tlaib's comments are outrageous because it suggests that members of the Sanders movement are going to be much more interested in antagonizing and scoring points against allies they have disagreements rather than reconciling and finding consensus. Is Tlaib going to sit on stage and ask strangers to boo Joe Manchin and 15 other Senators who demure M4A or a GND, or is she going to work with these people to get three quarters of a loaf?

Neither side looks good in this disgraceful episode but you can't look at this and say it bodes well for Democratic politics under a Sanders administration.

The Democratic Party is going to be fractured regardless of who's nominated or elected president.  It's just catching up with the GOP now.

Any Sanders supporters who actually care about putting together a coalition of people who will pass anything in Sanders's agenda instead of simply letting others know their ideological purity should be aghast at this. It's true that Hillary is in the wrong for baiting a reaction like this out of the Sanders camp, but maybe the Sanders camp could just... not take the bait?

Biden and Buttigieg are running depressing campaigns but they aren't asking their supporters to boo people whose support and capital they are going to need to enact their agendas.

I don't disagree, and I've never been a huge fan of Tlaib even though I would align more with her lane of the party than Clinton's or Biden's.  Hillary kind of invited this, though, and Sanders himself responds better to these attacks than most of his surrogates do.

Bernie doesn't stand up to his surrogates vicious smears against the party. His silence encourages more toxic behavior out of his camp. Say what you will about Hillary Clinton she's a private citizen who has a platform, there's nothing that should stop her from speaking out. I have good faith in her to support whoever is the candidate in November because she's a team player.

[James Monroe]

Do tell me, what appeal does the squad think they have in Iowa?

Do tell me, what appeal does Joe Biden have anywhere?

Oh, man, I wish sometimes Biden would win just to see people eating their words in November again.

Biden has the greatest shot at beating Trump in the November election. I've been critical of the man's flaws but given Warren campaign has started to collapse in the last few weeks, when she drops out there isn't a more qualified candidate to challenge against Trump than Barack Obama Vice President.


Bernie polls abysmal with core voter constituents  and the blocs that do love him don't turned out in numbers like for other candidates.

[James Monroe]

If Sanders wins Iowa he is going to win the Nomination cuz I don't think he'll lose New Hampshire.

He'll lose in Super Tuesday states because he just can't appeal to a broad number of voters. Black voters in particular are his Kryptonite.

[James Monroe]

I have no idea what the Democratic Party did to earn the unconditional loyalty of some people on this site. You can think it's the best of the two major parties in the US (as I do) without defending every single thing the establishment DNC does, you know. Parties aren't ideological. If 75% of this country endorsed National Socialism, then the Democrats would be tripping over each other to win the all-important Nazi vote. Stop treating this institution like it's your best friend, for God's sake. From the way people on here behave, they're either completely delusional or Hillary Clinton is holding their family in an undisclosed location somewhere.

You have no understanding of what makes the Democratic Party such a sacred institution in our books. As a proud Democrat let me tell you why we remain loyal to this political party no matter the obstacles.


Throughout this nation history this is the party that has fought for the rights of countless groups who have been disaffected in society. Civil rights for African Americans was a struggle when half of the party was controlled by the Dixiecrats in the South, that didn't diminish the achievements of President's Truman, Kennedy and Johnson for advancing the rights of this group. Woodrow Wilson was a vile man in many ways, what he did to support and sign the nineteenth amendment to the Constitution is admirable and courageous. President Obama was slow to progress on supporting gay marriage, just as many Democrats did, including Independent Saint Bernard, when he announce that he'll support their rights in 2012 the history books were written. New Deal and Great Society have uplifted more people out of poverty than any Milton Friedman mumble jumble right-wing polices have ever achieved of doing. At the end of the day the Democratic Party has stood by for many Americans no matter their disadvantaged in life.


I am a proud Democrat card carrying member for life.

[James Monroe]

I have no idea what the Democratic Party did to earn the unconditional loyalty of some people on this site. You can think it's the best of the two major parties in the US (as I do) without defending every single thing the establishment DNC does, you know. Parties aren't ideological. If 75% of this country endorsed National Socialism, then the Democrats would be tripping over each other to win the all-important Nazi vote. Stop treating this institution like it's your best friend, for God's sake. From the way people on here behave, they're either completely delusional or Hillary Clinton is holding their family in an undisclosed location somewhere.

You would have no understanding of what makes the Democratic Party such a sacred institution in our books. As a proud Democrat let me tell you why we remain loyal to this political party no matter the obstacles.


Throughout this nation history this is the party that has fought for the rights of countless groups who have been disaffected in society. Civil rights for African Americans was a struggle when half of the party was controlled by the Dixiecrats in the South, that didn't diminish the achievements of President's Truman, Kennedy and Johnson for advancing the rights of this group. Woodrow Wilson was a vile man in many ways, what he did to support and sign the nineteenth amendment to the Constitution is admirable and courageous. President Obama was slow to progress on supporting gay marriage, just as many Democrats did, including Independent Saint Bernard, when he announce that he'll support their rights in 2012 the history books were written. New Deal and Great Society have uplifted more people out of poverty than any Milton Friedman mumble jumble right-wing polices have ever achieved of doing. At the end of the day the Democratic Party has stood by for many Americans no matter their disadvantaged in life.


I am a proud Democrat card carrying member for life.

Holy. S**t.

You CANNOT be serious.

My reconciliation of the party dates back to McKinley assassination. We had the split between Northern Progressives and Southern Dixiecrats that led to some compromises that were unflattering to say the least. Regardless, the Democratic Party is still standing up for human rights. That's something to be proud of.