Opinion of the permabanned posters: Haley/Ryan

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His ban is disgusting. Bunch of posters took what he posted out of context and him trying to actually give right wing views as “disruptive” .

Proves what libs want is conservatives who just bow down to liberals like ER

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liberals like ER

topkek

Glad to see the radicalization chamber continues strong.

He votes for all these bans . Yet many hostile red avies aren’t banned yet .

If he hasn’t voted then we should require equal amount of conservative and liberal moderators . Also you took this out of context as I said “bow down to liberals”

[OSR stands with Israel]

I consider him an FF. But I understand that many would disagree strongly with this view.
He was always civil to me and his actual foreign-policy views were more nuanced than some give it credit for.

People always took his posts out of context and btw to a fault he didn’t understand when to just withdraw from a thread but it was still others who take his posts out of context

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Malignant, socially clueless and terminally online. I do think this will be a good wake up call for him. Teens should not have a 24/7 broadcast platform in their edgelord phase.

He’s no different than you . You are just a liberal so you get away with being an aggressive unlike right wingers 

[OSR stands with Israel]

liberals like ER

topkek

Glad to see the radicalization chamber continues strong.

He votes for all these bans . Yet many hostile red avies aren’t banned yet .

If he hasn’t voted then we should require equal amount of conservative and liberal moderators . Also you took this out of context as I said “bow down to liberals”

How many conservatives on this website don't have some sort of severe mental problem or come across as a potential terrorist? Five or six, maybe? Lmao. That's the real problem here. As hostile and stupid as liberals are, they rarely behave the way that an average internet conservative behaves. That's why conservatives get banned from every platform.

Should Crane and Ferguson be banned then cause they behave even worse than H/R did . Like H/R was a good faith poster who was pretty book smart too . Like yes he should have learnt not to take the bait as much as he did but isn’t that the problem of the people setting the bait to begin with in terms of forum rules .


Also Dale , why do you always personally  insult  posters on here by saying stuff like this . Like if you think that then either you really have no faith left in society

[OSR stands with Israel]

HP all things considered, but don't recall a negative interaction with the user in question.

That said, OSR claiming ER is a liberal is ... a take.

Classic case of syntactic ambiguity; OSR is saying ER is a conservative who bows down to liberals, not that he is a liberal.

Was his original post different from the edited one? I was mainly referring to the portion Scott (a well respected poster) quoted. In that case, I take back/correct my statement.

Yes it was, Scott edited my post to say I was calling ER a liberal which is untrue. My post is more a clear post of absolute frustration of how atlas is moderated these days and how clearly it moderates aggressive conservatives far far more harshly than aggressive liberals or progressives.

Really Atlas Moderation needs to return to the Muon Days

[OSR stands with Israel]

Other vatniks will be next. Good riddance to every last one of those bootlickers.

He was not a Vatnicks. He opposed aid to Israel too despite being very Pro Israel so his position was more that he opposed all foreign aid in general.

He supported the sanctions we had against Russia for example and clearly opposed their goals of regime change. Again people on here had a tendency to take everything he said out of context and did it over and over again .

[OSR stands with Israel]

Curious what he said that was ban worth but considering he was more or less calling FT-02 a terrorist for using Islamic terms for Heaven and wisdom and upset that people recommend the post with the terms in it, I’m not too shocked he has been

He didn't do anything of the sort, though it seems like it's the prevailing narrative. What he did was criticize other posters for blindly reccomending a post with expressions they don't know, when those terms's meaning could range from anything positive to very negative, in general.

Speaking for my myself, not only would I be proud of my son/daughter for not only being able to get into Columbia, but I'd be even more proud that he/she was standing up for their oppressed brothers and sisters in Ghazzah as any Muslim should.

That would be the sign that I've raised them right by not only having academic excellence, but also a strong deen. Inshallah, his/her efforts, while not being rewarded in this world, and in this society, shall be rewarded where it truly matters. In the akhirah.

I appreciate that, given that none of the people who recommended this post are Muslim, almost all of them probably recommended it despite not knowing what the words "deen" (literally just judgement, no reason this couldn't have been said in English) and "akirah" (heaven) meant. AFE could have put will to futuh (conquest) and houri (virgin reward for warriors) instead and they wouldn't have blinked an eye.

This part reads pretty bad that FT-02 uses Islamic terms and his kind immediately goes there

The thread literally showed examples of white liberals endorsing use of words such as intifada so his point was that anti Israel progressives would endorse the use of any word even if it wasn’t in the language they understand

You guys are lying about the intent of the post and it is absolutely disgusting but the mod team won’t do anything cause it’s staffed by over 2/3rd liberals .

[OSR stands with Israel]

Other vatniks will be next. Good riddance to every last one of those bootlickers.

He was not a Vatnicks. He opposed aid to Israel too despite being very Pro Israel so his position was more that he opposed all foreign aid in general.

He supported the sanctions we had against Russia for example and clearly opposed their goals of regime change. Again people on here had a tendency to take everything he said out of context and did it over and over again .

I'm just going to say that you yambering on the fences for a grotesque anti-semite and racist, plus a guy who very recently defended the so-called freedom of speech involved in AI Kiddy porn, you're really doing yourself a disservice. Might I suggest a nice big Frosty glass of STFU juice before you do yourself any more damage?

He’s neither an anti semite or racist . His political views are literally just Vosem’s but more aggressive .

It’s actually lying to call him an anti semite

[OSR stands with Israel]

Other vatniks will be next. Good riddance to every last one of those bootlickers.

He was not a Vatnicks. He opposed aid to Israel too despite being very Pro Israel so his position was more that he opposed all foreign aid in general.

He supported the sanctions we had against Russia for example and clearly opposed their goals of regime change. Again people on here had a tendency to take everything he said out of context and did it over and over again .

I'm just going to say that you yambering on the fences for a grotesque anti-semite and racist, plus a guy who very recently defended the so-called freedom of speech involved in AI Kiddy porn, you're really doing yourself a disservice. Might I suggest a nice big Frosty glass of STFU juice before you do yourself any more damage?

He’s neither an anti semite or racist . His political views are literally just Vosem’s but more aggressive

Stop simping for the racists who use your vote but would happily deport you based on the color of your skin and religion alone. It’s very naïve.

Dude was literally to the left of me on immigration. He literally posted his immigration policy would be to let corporations pick whomever they wanted to hire .

The only exception he stated was from a particular region of the world and seeing how immigrants from the region have acted since 10/7 he was 100% correct about that . It’s not bigoted to think that ,and liberals believing we should allow immigrants who hate our country our our Allies is actually the far bigger problem.


Anyway his ban is proof this forum has no interest in allowing any aggressive conservatives to post here . There is absolutely no justification whatsoever in banning H/R

[OSR stands with Israel]

Other vatniks will be next. Good riddance to every last one of those bootlickers.

He was not a Vatnicks. He opposed aid to Israel too despite being very Pro Israel so his position was more that he opposed all foreign aid in general.

He supported the sanctions we had against Russia for example and clearly opposed their goals of regime change. Again people on here had a tendency to take everything he said out of context and did it over and over again .

I'm just going to say that you yambering on the fences for a grotesque anti-semite and racist, plus a guy who very recently defended the so-called freedom of speech involved in AI Kiddy porn, you're really doing yourself a disservice. Might I suggest a nice big Frosty glass of STFU juice before you do yourself any more damage?

He’s neither an anti semite or racist . His political views are literally just Vosem’s but more aggressive

Stop simping for the racists who use your vote but would happily deport you based on the color of your skin and religion alone. It’s very naïve.

Dude was literally to the left of me on immigration. He literally posted his immigration policy would be to let corporations pick whomever they wanted to hire .

The only exception he stated was from a particular region of the world and seeing how immigrants from the region have acted since 10/7 he was 100% correct about that . It’s not bigoted to think that ,and liberals believing we should allow immigrants who hate our country our our Allies is actually the far bigger problem.


Anyway his ban is proof this forum has no interest in allowing any aggressive conservatives to post here . There is absolutely no justification whatsoever in banning H/R

No one's pretending that you yourself haven't been radicalized by a certain social circle which happens to include the most recently muted user. You're not an "Old School" Republican anymore, you're a generic one who dislikes Trump personally but is aligned with him on everything else. That has been the case for well over a year. No one is calling for your ban.

One difference between you and H/R is that the latter was better at articulating himself. Agree with it or not, fewer people take you seriously for that reason, and the persecution complex displayed by the likes of you and Fuzzy Bear won't win you guys any sympathy.

If it's that bad, and if the mod team is that skewed against any genuine right-of-center views, why do you keep coming here?

Haley/Ryan wasn’t on conservacord until he got banned . Fuzzy and I keep complaining because unlike the vast majority of ccord posters we liked how the forum was in the Muon era and we just want that era of moderating back .

Neither of us had much problem with the moderating team in that era

[OSR stands with Israel]

No one's pretending that you yourself haven't been radicalized by a certain social circle which happens to include the most recently muted user. You're not an "Old School" Republican anymore, you're a generic one who dislikes Trump personally but is aligned with him on everything else. That has been the case for well over a year. No one is calling for your ban.

One difference between you and H/R is that the latter was better at articulating himself. Agree with it or not, fewer people take you seriously for that reason, and the persecution complex displayed by the likes of you and Fuzzy Bear won't win you guys any sympathy.

If it's that bad, and if the mod team is that skewed against any genuine right-of-center views, why do you keep coming here?

That most recent muted posters wasn’t on conservacord until he got banned . Fuzzy and I keep complaining because unlike the vast majority of ccord posters we liked how the forum was in the Muon era and we just want that era of moderating back .

Neither of us had much problem with the moderating team in that era

I don't see what the difference is. For reference, this is the justification given for banning H/R:

Haley/Ryan has been permanently banned for continuing to make bigoted posts, for implying support violence in one post in particular, and for overall being disruptive. This comes after a series of mutes and temporary bans over the last 4 years.

None of this is new. The TOS hasn't changed. When you build up a paper trail that includes bigotry and frequently derailing threads, and when you have been muted and tempbanned multiple times over a given period for it (in H/R's case it was pretty much since he started posting 4 or 5 years ago), that eventually escalates to a permaban.

Even Sanchez, a personal friend whom I spoke for and advocated to the mods for his return, ultimately squandered that privilege by posting the same type of stuff that got him banned in the first place.

If atlas was moderated the same was it was in the Muon era , H/R doesn’t even get temp banned to begin with .

[OSR stands with Israel]

No one's pretending that you yourself haven't been radicalized by a certain social circle which happens to include the most recently muted user. You're not an "Old School" Republican anymore, you're a generic one who dislikes Trump personally but is aligned with him on everything else. That has been the case for well over a year. No one is calling for your ban.

One difference between you and H/R is that the latter was better at articulating himself. Agree with it or not, fewer people take you seriously for that reason, and the persecution complex displayed by the likes of you and Fuzzy Bear won't win you guys any sympathy.

If it's that bad, and if the mod team is that skewed against any genuine right-of-center views, why do you keep coming here?

That most recent muted posters wasn’t on conservacord until he got banned . Fuzzy and I keep complaining because unlike the vast majority of ccord posters we liked how the forum was in the Muon era and we just want that era of moderating back .

Neither of us had much problem with the moderating team in that era

I don't see what the difference is. For reference, this is the justification given for banning H/R:

Haley/Ryan has been permanently banned for continuing to make bigoted posts, for implying support violence in one post in particular, and for overall being disruptive. This comes after a series of mutes and temporary bans over the last 4 years.

None of this is new. The TOS hasn't changed. When you build up a paper trail that includes bigotry and frequently derailing threads, and when you have been muted and tempbanned multiple times over a given period for it (in H/R's case it was pretty much since he started posting 4 or 5 years ago), that eventually escalates to a permaban.

Even Sanchez, a personal friend whom I spoke for and advocated to the mods for his return, ultimately squandered that privilege by posting the same type of stuff that got him banned in the first place.

If atlas was moderated the same was it was in the Muon era , H/R doesn’t even get temp banned to begin with .

That's a bold assumption to make, especially since the TOS hasn't changed as far as I can recall.

Far far less atlas conservatives got banned during his tenure. The current mod team has a far different interpretation of the TOS than the mod team back then

[OSR stands with Israel]

I don’t care how “polite” or articulate you are, holding certain beliefs makes you an evil person. Haley/Ryan is a shining example of that.

The nicest thing I can say about him is that he’s young enough to change as a person. IIRC he isn’t even 19 yet. Lots of people fall into extremism when they’re young, but become better when they get older. I hope he can change.

His views are basically Vosem's but with a more aggressive personality. Would you consider Vosem to be evil or a bigot

[OSR stands with Israel]

No one's pretending that you yourself haven't been radicalized by a certain social circle which happens to include the most recently muted user. You're not an "Old School" Republican anymore, you're a generic one who dislikes Trump personally but is aligned with him on everything else. That has been the case for well over a year. No one is calling for your ban.

One difference between you and H/R is that the latter was better at articulating himself. Agree with it or not, fewer people take you seriously for that reason, and the persecution complex displayed by the likes of you and Fuzzy Bear won't win you guys any sympathy.

If it's that bad, and if the mod team is that skewed against any genuine right-of-center views, why do you keep coming here?

Haley/Ryan wasn’t on conservacord until he got banned . Fuzzy and I keep complaining because unlike the vast majority of ccord posters we liked how the forum was in the Muon era and we just want that era of moderating back .

Neither of us had much problem with the moderating team in that era

The "most recently muted user" is Yellowhammer.

Anyway, because I was curious, I went back and found H/R's original mute:

Haley/Ryan has been banned for six months and will be on thin ice upon his return.

OSR, you've been on this forum a long time, you knew the likely next step up from a long ban like this one if he continued stomping on the thin ice was going to be a permaban. Exactly what about this message suggests that he wasn't going to be sanctioned according to ToS if he continued to start arguments and then not know how to get out of them?

I have not objected to actions taken against YH like I have with HR. I also think he never should have been temp banned either and made that clear at the time.

Conservatives who are aggressive are moderated far more harshly than liberals who are . If this was not the case : Crane, Ferguson, Badger all would be Perma Banned by now

[OSR stands with Israel]

No one's pretending that you yourself haven't been radicalized by a certain social circle which happens to include the most recently muted user. You're not an "Old School" Republican anymore, you're a generic one who dislikes Trump personally but is aligned with him on everything else. That has been the case for well over a year. No one is calling for your ban.

One difference between you and H/R is that the latter was better at articulating himself. Agree with it or not, fewer people take you seriously for that reason, and the persecution complex displayed by the likes of you and Fuzzy Bear won't win you guys any sympathy.

If it's that bad, and if the mod team is that skewed against any genuine right-of-center views, why do you keep coming here?

Haley/Ryan wasn’t on conservacord until he got banned . Fuzzy and I keep complaining because unlike the vast majority of ccord posters we liked how the forum was in the Muon era and we just want that era of moderating back .

Neither of us had much problem with the moderating team in that era

The "most recently muted user" is Yellowhammer.

Anyway, because I was curious, I went back and found H/R's original mute:

Haley/Ryan has been banned for six months and will be on thin ice upon his return.

OSR, you've been on this forum a long time, you knew the likely next step up from a long ban like this one if he continued stomping on the thin ice was going to be a permaban. Exactly what about this message suggests that he wasn't going to be sanctioned according to ToS if he continued to start arguments and then not know how to get out of them?

I have not objected to actions taken against YH like I have with HR. I also think he never should have been temp banned either and made that clear at the time.

Conservatives who are aggressive are moderated far more harshly than liberals who are . If this was not the case : Crane, Ferguson, Badger all would be Perma Banned by now

Why do you think being racist and advocating for violence is equivalent to libs being mean?

He is not racist and btw if what he said is "advocating for violence" then what would post 9/11 American Discourse be considered.


 

[OSR stands with Israel]

No one's pretending that you yourself haven't been radicalized by a certain social circle which happens to include the most recently muted user. You're not an "Old School" Republican anymore, you're a generic one who dislikes Trump personally but is aligned with him on everything else. That has been the case for well over a year. No one is calling for your ban.

One difference between you and H/R is that the latter was better at articulating himself. Agree with it or not, fewer people take you seriously for that reason, and the persecution complex displayed by the likes of you and Fuzzy Bear won't win you guys any sympathy.

If it's that bad, and if the mod team is that skewed against any genuine right-of-center views, why do you keep coming here?

Haley/Ryan wasn’t on conservacord until he got banned . Fuzzy and I keep complaining because unlike the vast majority of ccord posters we liked how the forum was in the Muon era and we just want that era of moderating back .

Neither of us had much problem with the moderating team in that era

The "most recently muted user" is Yellowhammer.

Anyway, because I was curious, I went back and found H/R's original mute:

Haley/Ryan has been banned for six months and will be on thin ice upon his return.

OSR, you've been on this forum a long time, you knew the likely next step up from a long ban like this one if he continued stomping on the thin ice was going to be a permaban. Exactly what about this message suggests that he wasn't going to be sanctioned according to ToS if he continued to start arguments and then not know how to get out of them?

I have not objected to actions taken against YH like I have with HR. I also think he never should have been temp banned either and made that clear at the time.

Conservatives who are aggressive are moderated far more harshly than liberals who are . If this was not the case : Crane, Ferguson, Badger all would be Perma Banned by now

Why do you think being racist and advocating for violence is equivalent to libs being mean?

He is not racist and btw if what he said is "advocating for violence" then what would post 9/11 American Discourse be considered.

Doesn't help your case.

Nick Fuentes is getting unbanned on Twitter. So go hang out there if you want to be around that kind of stuff all day. I'd like to be in an environment without someone writing multiple paragraphs about how segregated schools are actually good, Gaza should be a crater and that the Great Replacement Theory (that posits Jews are plotting to replace whites with immigrants from 'undesirable' countries [like India]) is true and defensible.

1. He never defended segregation

2. Ok then you can put him on ignore

3. No he did not say this, that was YH. What he said was Democrats actively invited it by pushing the demographics= destiny talking point which they did do all throughout the 2010s.  You are being actively misleading.

He literally posted this on immigration:

Here's an immigration proposal I drafted previously:

The writing is a little faux legalistic, but I think the content is good.

This is one of the most disturbing things I have ever read. What is the matter with you?

Elaborate. What do you find disturbing?

I'm still waiting. I don't think we have enough broad-scale discussions about immigration because we're almost always so focused on the minutiae of the border crisis right now. I like the idea of having one.

I wouldn’t use that language but I will ask what do you mean by an “assimilation test” . Like that map just looks like a Christian vs non Christian map so would one of the criteria be related to whether or not someone is a Christian or not .

Sure. There are three assimilation tests referenced, one for Latin American countries, one for developed East Asian countries, and one for Middle Eastern countries. Each of these tests would test for different things, but none would involve religious testing of the sort you reference (and separately, all Middle Eastern Christians would be available for immigration under Category B here). The MidEast test would essentially try to screen out Islamist and anti-American sentiment, and screen for skills (speaking English, trades, etc) that would make someone particularly beneficial upon entering the US. The LatAm one would do something similar but with a greater emphasis on culture and none at all on Islamism. The East Asian one would be similar to the LatAm one but adjusted for cultural differences between the two regions.

Imo a test would useful to screen out people who have anti American sentiment or are religious extremists but I don’t think it’s actually useful in finding out whether someone will assimilate or not. I would say the best way to tell if they will is :

1. Do they have a stable job

2. Do they have young kids or plan to have kids because many immigrants assimilate through their kids

3. Can they speak fluent English

4. Are they living any ethnic enclaves

I mean all of those are strongly associated with assimilation so yeah, it would basically be testing for that + certain more local things (often related to the anti-American sentiment or extremism you mentioned before.)

Imo the biggest problem we have in this case comes from the broken way we do merit based immigration. There are many many immigrants here in H1B visas who have no idea if they will be allowed to stay or go , and because of that they are unsure if they should assimilate or not due to worry they may have to go back .

A better way to deal with this is create a 3 step process for merit based immigration

Step 1 : H1B stage

- Everyone who wants to stay here permanently must go through this stage first

- The visa only is valid for a period of 6 years (with only one 3 year extension potentially being granted and will get to it later )

Step 2 : Permanent Residency

- After 5 years , people who have H1B visas can apply for permanent residency . We can actually then test for assimilation better at this stage as well and also reduce the insane wait times this system currently has .

- Anyone who doesn’t apply for permanent residency will have to leave the country within a year as their visa won’t be extended. Those who are rejected may be given a 3 year extension if close but if they are still rejected at the end of the extension period then they have to leave


Step 3 : Citizenship

- Basically same as now

I'm okay with something like this for simplifying visas for skilled workers (indeed, the Cat H process I describe is similar to this), but I think it's very important to loosen immigration restrictions in other areas based on those aforementioned factors. Primarily, I think it very important to have a flexible labor market, and believe that by linking the American labor market to the European and (partially) Latin American ones with free immigration, we can remove the direct element of government control over the amount of labor entering the market. Thus, we can create a free market for labor between these countries.

Ideally, we could do the same with the whole world, but I don't think that's possible because of cultural and economic factors.

I also actually really dislike H1B in this regard, because it ties these new immigrants to their jobs and gives companies the ability to control who can immigrate, thus reducing market flexibility and freedom and de facto subsidizing companies that can afford to go through this process.

His legal immigration proposal is actually pretty liberal across the board . Even in the countries he puts as more restrictive test, it in some ways would be pretty liberal. Like he literally just wants an Australian Style Points based system but in liberals mind thats racist which is lol