The Atlas Asylum of absurd/ignorant posts IX

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Good grief the conservative brain dead hate boners for California I described are so alive and well in this thread. Particularly ironic that the two primary Crashers of California's liberal governance West Coast Intelligentsia immigrant friendly policies leading to economic success are respectively from mississippi, the closest thing America has to a third world, and someone from Portland whom if they took their nose out of their computer and went outside could readily see the success of such policies.

Not every post you disagree with is bad.

I mean OSR has a point though, Portland is one of those cities that is much worse off for all the arson and looting and window-smashing and violent rioting that took place with the BLM protests. I know most of the protests were peaceful, but things got very bad in Portland IIRC. And anybody who decided to look at the streets of Portland during the low point probably wouldn't be thanking BLM protesters or progressives.

This is just part of it though:


- Crime has skyrocketed the past three years. Portland used to be known a city with very little violent crime, which is no longer true

- Homelessness has skyrocketed here

- The state basically decriminalized hard drugs in 2020

- Graduation Rates are consistently among the bottom 5 in the country here in Oregon

- Oregon actually ranks as the state with the 2nd lowest median income if you adjust it for cost of living

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Listen I will always love the state of Oregon and love the city of Portland and much of the anger with how things are going comes from that . Watching its decline has saddened me greatly and I hope things can turn around soon

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Good grief the conservative brain dead hate boners for California I described are so alive and well in this thread. Particularly ironic that the two primary Crashers of California's liberal governance West Coast Intelligentsia immigrant friendly policies leading to economic success are respectively from mississippi, the closest thing America has to a third world, and someone from Portland whom if they took their nose out of their computer and went outside could readily see the success of such policies.

Not every post you disagree with is bad.

I mean OSR has a point though, Portland is one of those cities that is much worse off for all the arson and looting and window-smashing and violent rioting that took place with the BLM protests. I know most of the protests were peaceful, but things got very bad in Portland IIRC. And anybody who decided to look at the streets of Portland during the low point probably wouldn't be thanking BLM protesters or progressives.

Awaiting to hear news of osr and his family moving from Portland any minute now I'm sure.

You know there are many reasons why many people decide to live in a city and one huge reason is social reasons. The vast majority of my friends and family friends live in Portland(WFH has made this possible), and no matter how much this city declines this city will always be my home and have a place in my heart and I would not like moving out at all.

The W in wfh is key here, isn't it?

I rest my case

Actually many of my friends have jobs that were technically in other states but thanks to those companies moving permanently to work from home, they were able to move back in with their families.

I dont have a job that is WFH but I do have one that is reasonably close to home so its not a pain to commute there.

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Also holding up Bill “kids are faking being trans to be cool” Maher as a gold standard to be bringing into this area of discussion is quite silly

It's such a dumb premise. Tens of millions people want to see every LGBT person in this country dead, and these jackasses think that coming out gives them social clout? It's delusional.

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Do you think that trans people should be banned from being preschool teachers?

Yes.

Surely advocating for genocide violates the TOS?

Calling this "genocide advocacy" surely qualifies as excessive hyperbole, if anything does.

It's not too often I agree with Ferguson on transgender issues...but wow. NC Conservative says he wants trans people banned (which, I mean, he wants to eradicate and end all trans people - so isn't that by definition, literally advocacy of genocide), and when Ferguson (very rightly) calls him out on what it is - genocide advocacy, because yes, that's exactly what saying you want to "ban" a group of people is - Shua chimes in...apparently it's "hyperbole" to call advocacy for "banning" a group of people advocacy of genocide - what NC Conservative said isn't enough, and according to Shua, it's Ferguson who deserves moderation, not NC Conservative.

I'm hardly a liberal on transgender issues - but it seems I'm firmly in between left and right, since the left moves ridiculously into a left, woke, direction, while at the same time, the right moves to open hate and hostility - to the point of advocating a total genocide of trans people (and we know how insane NC Conservative is, so if it was just him, and other blue avatars and conservatives criticized his comments, I wouldn't characterise what he said as the broader right-wing position: but the only right-sign commentary I've see on this is Shua trying to blame FERGUSON and denying NC Conservative advocated genocide when he literally did). This is an evident example of the latter.

Click the original NC Conservative post please

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So, yes, a lot of the time people should not be held accountable because people might be targeted for revenge, and this is true regardless of your ideological position.

When it comes to our foreign policy this is true , otherwise pretty much every president we had since 1945 could be charged .

So Obama made 100% the right decision not to prosecute people from the Bush admin

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So, yes, a lot of the time people should not be held accountable because people might be targeted for revenge, and this is true regardless of your ideological position.

When it comes to our foreign policy this is true , otherwise pretty much every president we had since 1945 could be charged .

So Obama made 100% the right decision not to prosecute people from the Bush admin

"Every president was a war criminal. If you want to prosecute Bush, you'll have to prosecute every president."

Is this really the argument you're making?

Every super power has done stuff that have been morally negative at some point including the US. The difference is we have been a greater force for good than any super power in the history of the world and if you prosecuted presidents for the morally negative stuff they did, they would not have been able to do the good that they did as many things are morally grey.

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So, yes, a lot of the time people should not be held accountable because people might be targeted for revenge, and this is true regardless of your ideological position.

When it comes to our foreign policy this is true , otherwise pretty much every president we had since 1945 could be charged .

So Obama made 100% the right decision not to prosecute people from the Bush admin

"Every president was a war criminal. If you want to prosecute Bush, you'll have to prosecute every president."

Is this really the argument you're making?

Every super power has done stuff that have been morally negative at some point including the US. The difference is we have been a greater force for good than any super power in the history of the world and if you prosecuted presidents for the morally negative stuff they did, they would not have been able to do the good that they did as many things are morally grey.

You're not wrong. Presidents are going to be very hesitant to prosecute another President for things done in the course of the office, like Bush and Iraq or Obama and drone strikes. However, Presidents who subvert the office like Trump are a different story. Biden isn't thinking "Well, what if I need to commit treason?".

The only two presidents since 1945 I think should have gone to prison are :

- Nixon for Sabotaging the Vietnam Peace Talks before the 1968 election

- Trump for Jan 6th

Both are pretty similar in the way given that both actions flagrantly violated the basic security interests of our country and were done purely for personal political gain . Both actions were arguably or were seditious as well

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Wow, even in criminal indictment DeSantis looks pathetic next to Trump. Trump got charged for paying off a porn star he f--ked and got his glamorous estate in South Florida raided by the FBI. He's a criminal, but one who looks like a Scarface-style gangster.

Meanwhile DeSantis might get indicted by some local Texas sheriff for trying to pull off one of the most embarrassing political stunts of the century in a strained, pathetic effort to look "tough" like Trump.

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Generally speaking, you need to commit at least one genocide in order to gain street cred.

Please elaborate on the genocides Hindus committed; I would love to learn about them.

Hindu nationalists in India are clearly in the early stages of a genocide against Muslims.

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Highlighted absurd part in bold

Trump is far worse than Clinton, and both George W Bush and Donald Trump are far sleazier than Clinton.

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Landlords are some of the worst people in this country alongside cops and small business owners.

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The dumbest thing BLM did was convince people that police are the biggest threat to African Americans instead of other blacks. Is police brutality real? Yes, but it doesn't hold a candle to what's happening in the hoods. Over 85% of crime that happens to African Americans according to Biden's very own FBI is caused by blacks. Yet, its considered racism to point that out, because apparently only racist whites can cause brutality against them.

"What about black on black crime?" is perhaps one of the laziest white supremacist talking points.

That poster isn’t white and that post was liked by a red avatar too

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you really can’t judge foreign policy on an ideological lense .

It's the truth

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you really can’t judge foreign policy on an ideological lense .

It's the truth

You do realize that realism is still an ideology, right?

Read the original post I made in the thread . Scarlet greatly cut it up and removed all context

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Read the original post I made in the thread . Scarlet greatly cut it up and removed all context

Usually when people say this, the additional context makes them look better, not worse.

Such as here where Beep Boop clearly tries to minimize, if not excuse, the Modi government of trying to assassinate a Sikh activist living in the US.

As noted,  he's always good for a laugh.

Uh no , I literally said unlike Canada we don’t have a history of harboring terrorists so we actually have a moral high ground here .

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Read the original post I made in the thread . Scarlet greatly cut it up and removed all context

Usually when people say this, the additional context makes them look better, not worse.

Such as here where Beep Boop clearly tries to minimize, if not excuse, the Modi government of trying to assassinate a Sikh activist living in the US.

As noted,  he's always good for a laugh.

Uh no , I literally said unlike Canada we don’t have a history of harboring terrorists so we actually have a moral high ground here .

Um, yes. Your post just now even implicitly States these individuals are terrorists, which likewise fully implies they are open targets. Furthermore, that would necessarily include this individual residing in the US even though we don't have a so-called, as you put it, history of harboring these terrorists. You are clearly proving my point

Nope , as there is no reason not to trust our legal process unlike with Canada . Canada embarrassed itself on the world stage due to their history of harboring terrorists by letting so many of them go free (They have done this to terrorists who have launched attacks on our soldiers as well with Omar Khadar)

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Nope , as there is no reason not to trust our legal process unlike with Canada . Canada embarrassed itself on the world stage due to their history of harboring terrorists by letting so many of them go free (They have done this to terrorists who have launched attacks on our soldiers as well with Omar Khadar)

To be clear, you are saying that you trust the Indian legal process more than the Canadian legal process?

Under Trudeau yeah , under Harper no .

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Nope , as there is no reason not to trust our legal process unlike with Canada . Canada embarrassed itself on the world stage due to their history of harboring terrorists by letting so many of them go free (They have done this to terrorists who have launched attacks on our soldiers as well with Omar Khadar)

To be clear, you are saying that you trust the Indian legal process more than the Canadian legal process?

Under Trudeau yeah , under Harper no .

You are a clown for believing this.

What has Trudeau fundamentally changed about the legal process?

Harper was way more likely to extradite terrorists and even pushed through a law that would remove citizenship of naturalized citizens convicted of terrorism so they could be deported easier for that purpose .

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Nope , as there is no reason not to trust our legal process unlike with Canada . Canada embarrassed itself on the world stage due to their history of harboring terrorists by letting so many of them go free (They have done this to terrorists who have launched attacks on our soldiers as well with Omar Khadar)

To be clear, you are saying that you trust the Indian legal process more than the Canadian legal process?

Under Trudeau yeah , under Harper no .

You are a clown for believing this.

What has Trudeau fundamentally changed about the legal process?

Harper was way more likely to extradite terrorists and even pushed through a law that would remove citizenship of naturalized citizens convicted of terrorism so they could be deported easier for that purpose .

Why do you keep calling the people Modi tried to kill "terrorists" as if it is a universally accepted truth?

Read up about the Air India bombing in the 1980s and how Canada basically let all the terrorists go and even let the mastermind out of prison at some point .

It is something that absolutely would not have happened here , and shows how much of a joke the Canadian legal system is when it comes to terrorism

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This is a major vibe shift in the election. pppolitics was a standard Dem hack with silly pro-Biden signatures, and prior to October 7th he had a big TRUMP FOR PRISON banner.

There’s no chance he’s voting for Biden.

I don't even understand this post.

pppolitics was a deeply partisan Democrat who’s been negatively polarized by The Conflict into accusing Biden of genocide. Many such cases.

Mark my words, what Israel is doing in Gaza will go down as a textbook example of genocide. Biden will go down in infamy as being complicit in genocide. The US's reputation around the world will be severely tainted.

This is worse than the 1991 Louisiana gubernatorial election between Edwin Edwards and David Duke.

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Had Trump never been elected there wouldn't have been a pandemic in the first place. If you want another pandemic then vote Trump.

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Can blue avatars go five minutes without dehumanizing Palestinians?

In the events in Gaza, the Palestinians are the ones in the wrong. They have no virtue and no merit in their arguments. 

Fuzzy is 100% right . The Palestinian cause is inherently evil and is directly tied to Nazism .

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If Biden loses the election, constitutionally and legally, he should absolutely concede and subsequently urge massive resistance to the Trump administration.

I think he needs to get the military to hold power for life. I don’t care how much repression comes from it, we need it to save the country from the MAGATs. As long as Trump is alive, Biden cannot leave the White House. We need him. He’s the father of our country.

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The trial was conducted by the victors , not some international court .

You'll never guess what trial he's talking about.
 

Not comparable to the ICC.

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You don't think there's a difference between a temporary tribunal set up by the winners of a war, and a permanent international court?

Yes, the permanent international court is better.

And as others have said in the original thread, "set up by the winners of the war" is a Nazi talking point. They weren't prosecuted for losing the war, they were prosecuted for crimes against humanity.

No its not a Nazi talking point because that makes it seems like a tribunal set up by the winners cant be fair which the Nuremburg trials were.

If something like the ICC existed then you would have seen American, British and Soviet officials also arrested for war crimes which would have been insane.