The Atlas Asylum of absurd/ignorant posts IX

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Abolishment of the nucleur family? That's insanem Now I can see why their support will drop continuosly.

I would agree with them.
If anything, kids from a young age should be sent to a large centralized childcare center where large groups of children are provided for and later educated.

This would reduce inequality of opportunity to near zero, and would allow us to teach every child important values that many are missing today.

How is this ridiculous?
It makes perfect sense, what is the logical reason against it?

You want kids to be taken from their parents at a young age

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No. Although the end of the ROC would be good, it's not worth giving the USA and its corporate satellites free reign to imperialize the entire Korean peninsula. The humanitarian consequences would be incalculable and represent an unacceptable stab-in-the-back against the Korean civilization. It would probably represent the most despicable act ever made in Chinese history.

Especially because barring a black swan event, Taiwan is not a healthy society and will cease to be a distinct one from the Mainland in 50 years, while the DPRK is still going strong after seven decades of an American-led siege.

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It is beyond deranged to call them a bigger threat than the CCP

There's not much difference in those two nowadays, with Republicans trying to ban any academic subject that doesn't conform to their worldview.

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The fact that he came so close to re-election, and is still eligible for 2024, scares the hell out of me.

I agree. I am pretty sure Donald Trump wins in 2024 (either through chicanery or legitimately) and that he will become such a vile dictator that will make Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, Mohammed Reza Pahlavi, Francisco Franco, Benito Mussolini, Vladimir Putin, and Mohammed bin Salman look like some of the most enlightened world leaders in history. Likewise with Josh Hawley or Donald Trump’s children.

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yes. both were entirely peaceful protests that got misunderstood by the media.

Click thread for context

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Nope and thank god to Susan Collins and Rick Scott for winning their races as they are the ones preventing it from happening

You guys better do well in 2022.  If Dems gain senate seats this disgraceful power grab from the party of the 46% is going to come to a very unfortunate end no matter how much Lindsey Graham hisses and scowls. 

It’s not like you guys will have control of the house after the  2022 midterms so it doesn’t matter if you make gains in the senate or not

Why is that relevant?  The senate confirms justices not the house??  I'd be more than happy if Dems lost 20 seats in the house and gained 2 in the senate.  Which is an unlikely scenario but certainly possible given the senate seats at play.

You have to pass a law to expand the court

I don't see it that way just because Congress has passed laws in the past related to its size.  The Constitution is completely silent on the size of the Court or who has the authority to limit its size.  Biden should just nominate Judges and it should pass the Senate.  If Republicans want to take the issue to the Courts then Biden's new Justices can rule on that.

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Republicans are worse than anything they claim about the government of Cuba. Period.

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I think, barring the military going around and literally jabbing the vaccine into people's arms whether they want it or not, this is necessary, and probably should be applied to the outdoors as well.

Any settings where masking is impractical, such as a restaurant should be permanently closed, with the owners being compensated by the government for the loss of their business.

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GOR unironically said the  GOP is a bigger threat to the US than the Confederacy, Nazis, USSR:

To what I'm confident will be no one's surprise, I'm going to say that the biggest threat to the United States since the War of 1812 is the modern Republican Party. Here's why.

Like all the other listed threats, today's GOP is deeply hostile to the results of democracy in our American Republic, and has no wish to see it continue. Unlike all those threats (except the Confederacy), they are here, in the continental United States, with ready ability to wreck damage across the country. Unlike Islamic fundamentalist terror, they have access to a vast pool of money and true believers in the United States, including within our government. Unlike the Confederacy, they are distributed around the country, have equal access to resources, and have no pretense of scruples - they have not hesitated to wage a war of terror, and have as their goal conquest, subjugation and destruction, not separation and independence.

And finally, unlike all these other threats, America has no way to match them in kind; we cannot fight them on the battlefield, nor are we (so far) willing to label them as a terrorist or criminal  organization and subject them to the full weight of the legal system and financial sanctions. (And that's for good reasons! The GOP are an insider threat, not an external one, something that is difficult to deal with without doing more harm than good.) The GOP's ongoing attack on America is what is called deniable in computer security circles. We've seen this in action in the response to January 6th (and all the GOP's other, more legalistic, efforts to alter the end result of the vote); there is no easy or obvious mechanism for holding them to account and stopping them other than the ballot box, but failure to stop them will destroy us.

One solution is obvious: the GOP needs to be overwhelmingly rejected by the public, and when they cross the line (as on January 6th) they need to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. The first is a matter of education and choice - if we live in a country with an excess of the evil and the foolish, we will pay a price.  I understand why the Biden administration is not eager to pursue political opponents under the law (the perilous state of our justice system is what allowed Donald Trump to flourish in the first place), but we need to stop treating Republicans are good faith participants in society and government. The first step to a better future is making sure everyone understands that Republican want a worse one, not edging around it and waffling over the sunken wreck of bipartisanship.

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Jesus Christ, that guy seems to ignore the existence of white supremacists in his country. They are crazy, yeah

For the love of god, how can you possibly say that someone who said this is a "fantastic guy"?

China can be predominantly Chinese and Nigeria can be predominantly Nigerian, why can't the U.S. - which was built up by Europeans - be predominantly European?

Like I said he has a very European view on that issue and his view would not be like that if he was American .

Also even if you think those views make him crazy, tell me do you not have a single friend or family member whose views you wouldnt consider crazy. If you dont then you are the one who is living in a bubble

No I was clear talking in the context of DavidB there

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Jesus Christ, that guy seems to ignore the existence of white supremacists in his country. They are crazy, yeah

For the love of god, how can you possibly say that someone who said this is a "fantastic guy"?

China can be predominantly Chinese and Nigeria can be predominantly Nigerian, why can't the U.S. - which was built up by Europeans - be predominantly European?

Like I said he has a very European view on that issue and his view would not be like that if he was American .

Also even if you think those views make him crazy, tell me do you not have a single friend or family member whose views you wouldnt consider crazy. If you dont then you are the one who is living in a bubble

No I was clear talking in the context of DavidB there

DavidB is indeed European, but his brand of white nationalism has equivalents on the other side of the Atlantic. There is no American exceptionalism and context does not justify moral relativism.

 If DavidB was American,  he could have been a Trump supporter who stands for a White America.  No big difference with the European guy, actually

DavidB is not a white nationalist , its just his concept on what makes a nation a nation is different due to being European

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Jesus Christ, that guy seems to ignore the existence of white supremacists in his country. They are crazy, yeah

For the love of god, how can you possibly say that someone who said this is a "fantastic guy"?

China can be predominantly Chinese and Nigeria can be predominantly Nigerian, why can't the U.S. - which was built up by Europeans - be predominantly European?

Like I said he has a very European view on that issue and his view would not be like that if he was American .

Also even if you think those views make him crazy, tell me do you not have a single friend or family member whose views you wouldnt consider crazy. If you dont then you are the one who is living in a bubble

No I was clear talking in the context of DavidB there

DavidB is indeed European, but his brand of white nationalism has equivalents on the other side of the Atlantic. There is no American exceptionalism and context does not justify moral relativism.

 If DavidB was American,  he could have been a Trump supporter who stands for a White America.  No big difference with the European guy, actually

DavidB is not a white nationalist , its just his concept on what makes a nation a nation is different due to being European

Let me tell you that Europeans are mostly white. US supremacists and European far-right radicals share a common belief a white and christian civilization besieged by immigrants and minorities.

The views of DavidB on nation and ethnicity are not shared by all Europeans. I think that theory of the Great Replacement is very popular among certain people in the right like DavidB himself,  not by the European mainstream. For sure US supremacists believe in the Great Replacement. In the end, his brand of nationalism aims to preserve the "European Civilization" on both sides of the Atlantic. I won't delve into the personal contradictions of that poster here, just point that it's ignorant to ignore the transatlantic connections existing between far-right radicals

DavidB has been a good Atlas buddy of mine since 2015 and I can tell you he isnt what you think he is.

Keep in mind polls have shown European Conservatives generally are to the right of American conservatives on immigration

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DavidB has been a good Atlas buddy of mine since 2015 and I can tell you he isnt what you think he is.

Keep in mind polls have shown European Conservatives generally are to the right of American conservatives on immigration

See, I haven't met any member of this forum personally. In an Internet place like this, we only know each other through our posts. It seems to me being an Atlas buddy is not comparable to meet someone IRL and anyway that's a poor argument. I know the views of DavidB though occasional interactions and hundreds of posts

A atlas buddy of mine who is also a IRL buddy of Mine personally know DavidB as well and basically confirmed hes an FF as well

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Jesus Christ, just say "people". "Birthing bodies" appeals to no one.

Or just say women.

This isn’t the simple truths thread

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Beep boop is certainly on a streak recently. Regarding leaking SCOTUS justices home addresses:

If leaking the address is not an incitement of violence , neither is Trump’s speech on January 6th .

Honorable mention for his other posts in that thread where he goes full on fascist by calling for the police to be used "clear out" peaceful protestors.

Red Avatars are literally making the same defenses Trump hacks did regarding his disgusting behavior .

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Beep boop is certainly on a streak recently. Regarding leaking SCOTUS justices home addresses:

If leaking the address is not an incitement of violence , neither is Trump’s speech on January 6th .

Honorable mention for his other posts in that thread where he goes full on fascist by calling for the police to be used "clear out" peaceful protestors.

Red Avatars are literally making the same defenses Trump hacks did regarding his disgusting behavior .

Except that protesting in the street is perfectly legal behavior. No one has stormed the homes of any of the justice’s homes, nor has anyone advocated for this. Far cry from trump telling everyone to show up on Jan 6th to “take back control”.

I was comparing the act of the leaker here not the individual protesters to the rioters . The leaker is clearly inciting violence and needs to be arrested

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Beep boop is certainly on a streak recently. Regarding leaking SCOTUS justices home addresses:

If leaking the address is not an incitement of violence , neither is Trump’s speech on January 6th .

Honorable mention for his other posts in that thread where he goes full on fascist by calling for the police to be used "clear out" peaceful protestors.

Red Avatars are literally making the same defenses Trump hacks did regarding his disgusting behavior .

Except that protesting in the street is perfectly legal behavior. No one has stormed the homes of any of the justice’s homes, nor has anyone advocated for this. Far cry from trump telling everyone to show up on Jan 6th to “take back control”.

Nor has anyone (as far as I know) advocated kidnapping the Supreme Court justices in question, subjecting them to a kangaroo court, and then executing them for 'treason':

Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot  

The people who were responsible for that were arrested, indicted and tried in court

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As ever, arguing with Computer89 is futile because there is no indication that he is even able to comprehend the points you make.

Most of us blue avatars think the same about red avatar hacks like you . The reason I can’t comprehend the points you guys make is because the points you guys make are absolutely absurd in every way and I completely reject the premise behind your arguments

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As ever, arguing with Computer89 is futile because there is no indication that he is even able to comprehend the points you make.

Most of us blue avatars think the same about red avatar hacks like you . The reason I can’t comprehend the points you guys make is because the points you guys make are absolutely absurd in every way and I completely reject the premise behind your arguments

When it’s you alone who is referred to as extremely dull, unable to process changing information, and having a lack of critical reading skills, it seems that there really is only one common denominator, and you can look for it in the mirror.
 Contrary to your likely argument against this, most blue avatars aren’t exactly criticized for this specifically by the same posters. They are more often called evil, vile, lacking beliefs, or traitors, but NOT slow. It’s actually pretty rare for a poster to be consistently called out on their intellect. The closest I can think of is Fuzzy Bear, but even that is more compared to “brainwashed” which is different from stupid.
I’m not saying you are stupid, if we are being honest I do think you are smarter than you let on and actually do comprehend the arguments your opponents make, but there may be a bit of pride in you that just instinctively pushes you from that and compels you to make these stupid points. You’re not the only one, so don’t feel bad.

I make effort posts all the time in OP's but when I do these same posters then respond with "OSR is just making excuses" for his party and ignore everything I say and have done so for years. A lot of the reason they respond I do is the fact that when I first came here i was this typical "economically conservative socially liberal" teenage Republican and many thought as I age I would become more liberal.

The fact is as I have grown older I have moved in the opposite direction and a lot of it is because of stuff that is actually happening. The vast majority of the points I make do not come from Fox but are also made by many current Democrats or former Democrats I know in IRL. The feeling I get from red avatars is they think anyone who holds these types of views are either evil, or stupid but dont even try to understand why people hold these types of views.

Why is it that I always must try understand the liberal/progressive point of view but they never even try one bit to understand the conservative point of view. Doesn't that show their lack of critical thinking skills and lack of being able to process new information as well cause I would argue by their standards it absolutely would. The main difference is because this forum is mostly dominated by liberals, their views are viewed as normal and that means their views get far more validated than mine does.

As someone who is on conservacord which is basically an server for "Atlas Blue Avatars and Conservatives" , I can tell you that I am not the only one who has this criticism of these types red avatars .

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The leaker is clearly inciting violence and needs to be arrested

How are they inciting violence? They just leaked a draft opinion of an upcoming court case.

The ones who leaked the addresses

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I don't know about the '50s/60's, but he and Bill Clinton governed as moderate Republicans so it's definitely possible.

“Moderate Republican Obama” is well a take, but I expect nothing better for someone who loves Dr. Oz and is literally the epitome of the #populist LARP meme. Also finally good candidate to name this thread after.

Dude that poster literally was defending you in another thread and is one of the nicest posters on here.

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I don't know if anyone ever "knows for certain" but I don't see how anyone other than the child in question could possibly claim they know better.

Honestly children in general shouldn't be gendered until they ask to be.

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What does it say about a Forum that has no sympathy for my unborn grandchild that died in an abortion, or for myself and my wife, but who has all the sympathy in the world for convicted murderers and THEIR families?  There's kind of a disconnect here, is their not?

It says that you fundamentally don't understand how we view abortion.

Why would there be a 'disconnect' if we don't believe that a fetus is morally equivalent to a human being?

Then at what point does it become a human being,  and why that point?

It becomes a human being when it is born. Nobody can dispute that.

Someone who believes a single celled zygote is a person probably shouldn't be posting any take they disagree with here.

Someone who doesn't understand basic biology and human fetal development shouldn't be replying.

If you think you shouldn't be replying, then you can simply not reply.

Unlike you, I'm not a science denier.

We'll see if that's true the next time a discussion on climate change comes up.

We replied to this thread you made :

https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=514054.msg8674161#msg8674161

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Good grief the conservative brain dead hate boners for California I described are so alive and well in this thread. Particularly ironic that the two primary Crashers of California's liberal governance West Coast Intelligentsia immigrant friendly policies leading to economic success are respectively from mississippi, the closest thing America has to a third world, and someone from Portland whom if they took their nose out of their computer and went outside could readily see the success of such policies.

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Good grief the conservative brain dead hate boners for California I described are so alive and well in this thread. Particularly ironic that the two primary Crashers of California's liberal governance West Coast Intelligentsia immigrant friendly policies leading to economic success are respectively from mississippi, the closest thing America has to a third world, and someone from Portland whom if they took their nose out of their computer and went outside could readily see the success of such policies.

Not every post you disagree with is bad.

I mean OSR has a point though, Portland is one of those cities that is much worse off for all the arson and looting and window-smashing and violent rioting that took place with the BLM protests. I know most of the protests were peaceful, but things got very bad in Portland IIRC. And anybody who decided to look at the streets of Portland during the low point probably wouldn't be thanking BLM protesters or progressives.

Awaiting to hear news of osr and his family moving from Portland any minute now I'm sure.

You know there are many reasons why many people decide to live in a city and one huge reason is social reasons. The vast majority of my friends and family friends live in Portland(WFH has made this possible), and no matter how much this city declines this city will always be my home and have a place in my heart and I would not like moving out at all.