Joe Biden 2020 campaign megathread v2

[henster]

I think people make the mistake of solely attributing Hillary's loss to her and gender and thinking Biden would be better off. A large part of her loss was because her long record in politics where she carried a lot of baggage and scandals. The constant flip flopping over the years on issues she had to evolve on made her look untrustworthy. Candidates with long voting record and decades in office are often the politicians voters hate the most.

[henster]

This is not just a little freakout from woke progressives there is a serious concern young black voters and other POC will not turn out for him. Hillary was solid with older voters as well but as we saw struggled immensely with millennials and to an extent Gen X. People don't seem to grasp Biden is going down the same path with his awful record and it won't be different because he's a man.

[henster]

Whew! A CBC member not towing the line for political expediency.

https://twitter.com/politico/status/1142158251250847744

Good it was remarkable seeing most of its members close rank behind an old white guy over one of their own members. I hate how in so many Dem circles they feel to need to rush to Biden's defense when he's not even the nominee. Same thing happened to Hillary, people felt the need to protect her and discouraged attacks when it's necessary to toughen up the nominee.

[henster]

It's smarter to go after him on choice, he has way more issues on abortion than just Hyde. I also think hitting him on pushing for Social Security cuts is a must, I saw this article being shared around FB a lot.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/joe-biden-has-called-for-social-security-cuts-3-times/ar-AABuQbg

[henster]

I don't know how anyone can look at Biden confidently as the one to take on Trump. He looked so weak on stage and was stumbling over his words half of the time even borderline slurring them.

[henster]

I feel like Joe is way more vulnerable on abortion than on the busing stuff which is totally irrelevant today. He's literally on record trashing Roe and calling abortion a tragedy in addition to voting for the Hyde Amendment. That would've been far more salient than some issue that mattered 40 years ago.

[henster]

Oh my god how self centered can this forum get. No Hillary did not lose to Trump because of a buch woke far left liberals decided to stay home because Hillary wasn't good enough for them. The world and politics do not revolve around you guys because if it did Bernie would be president and Biden wouldn't be leading this primary.

Literally nobody said that. The data shows the Obama->Did Not Vote cohort was more moderate than the average Clinton 2016 voter. The largest “moderate” bloc in the Democratic Party are black voters. Black people stayed home. There is no reason to believe Biden will bring them out. Obama begged us to come out for Hillary. He TOLD us his legacy was on the line and turnout still nosedived. That also doesn’t account for voter suppression like in WI where their voter ID laws suppressed 200,000 black votes and not much is being done to combat the effects of this in 2020.

ETA: y’all also need to understand that a candidate leading with black voters in a primary says nothing about their GE performance. To win a GE the Democrat needs to turn out low propensity black voters who don’t vote in primaries. Black primary voters are extremely partial to “establishment” and name brand candidates and that’s fine but it doesn’t make them a slam dunk in the General.

As seen in 2016.

Hillary was solid with older blacks like Biden is now but her weakness with younger black voters was evident and Biden seems to have the same problem.

[henster]

https://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/1158211486591934465

I just can't see how people are content with this. He is clearly experiencing cognitive decline.

[henster]

He also messed up the order. El Paso ("Houston") was Saturday and Dayton was Saturday night/Sunday morning ("Michigan"). You can't make this stuff up.

Trump's mental lapse today is sure to get Biden's comment more play.

[henster]

This is perfect bait for Kamala & Cory wow, can't let this slide.

[henster]

He's not going as far as other candidates because he has his own racist past, he is actively avoiding calling him a white nationalist.

[henster]

This stuff can no longer be ignored he's unfit for office.


https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1159667917111353344

[henster]

https://twitter.com/EmmaKinery/status/1160297583908184065

[henster]

I think Warren would be a good choice for Biden as VP - female, progressive, can actually get some people excited, would probably kill it in the debates.

It could be a good idea, actually.
And when Biden decides to exit, Warren would be better suited to take his place in either 2024/2028.

Biden's VP would need to be much younger at least in their 40 or 50s.

[henster]

The gaffes are moving from harmless to seriously damaging. The healthcare gaffe is going to be used endlessly in ads. "Under Joe Biden's healthcare plan you will not have quality care, he said it himself".

[henster]

This clip alone should end his campaign.


https://twitter.com/BernForBernie20/status/1166119781847773184

[henster]

This new ad on healthcare is just magnificent. A very strong message.

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1166319450909315072

Have you seen his Anderson Cooper interview?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbe3WSVWXeI

They should just play that interview on loop throughout the campaign.  Anyone who thinks Biden is an HP after watching it is a heartless hack.

He's human and has emotions and has a tragic past with heartbreak that he never ever deserved, but that doesn't shield him from criticism or being disliked, so not sure why him going through tragic moments shields him from being disliked.

It doesn't, criticize all day.  I'm specifically talking about those who think Biden is a bad person.

Admittedly this is a more popular sentiment on Twitter than on Atlas.

I'm not talking about Biden specifically, but you can lose your son and be sad about it and still be a bad person.

In what way is Biden a bad person?

I think voting and supporting the Iraq War that killed millions of people doesn't really make you a good person. On top of treating Anita Hill the way he did I think he's at least a deeply flawed person.

[henster]

Civilian deaths:  110,600 and most of them were killed by insurgents, not by us.

This figure comes from the Associated Press and only includes deaths directly attributable to war violence. Including excess deaths caused by the war increases that figure dramatically.

The Iraq War destabilized the whole Middle East, I attribute it to the rise of ISIS and the death and carnage that group has caused. Not to mention Syria, Libya, & Yemen all conflicts Biden also supported being engaged in, which were indirectly caused by Iraq.

[henster]

Not the first time Biden lied when he was in Iraq/Afghanistan, he claimed he was shot at while he was in Iraq and his helicopter was forced down in Afghanistan near bin Laden's cave, all not true.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/six-times-biden-described-major-events-in-his-life-that-never-happened

[henster]

Not the first time Biden lied when he was in Iraq/Afghanistan, he claimed he was shot at while he was in Iraq and his helicopter was forced down in Afghanistan near bin Laden's cave, all not true.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/six-times-biden-described-major-events-in-his-life-that-never-happened

Once again, here is the EXACT BIDEN QUOTE about his helicopter being forced down:

“If you want to know where al Qaeda lives, you want to know where bin Laden is, come back to Afghanistan with me... come back to the area where my helicopter was forced down with a three-star general and three senators at 10,500 feet in the middle of those mountains. I can tell you where they are.”

And here is what actually happened:  Biden was in the same mountains as al-Qaeda in a helicopter and was forced down because of a snowstorm.  Which sounds like a really great tension scene in a political drama.

So as far as I can tell this is a completely true story, and conservative rag The Washington Examiner is only calling it a lie because they're willfully misinterpreting what "forced down" implies.



Now here's the EXACT BIDEN QUOTE about his being shot at in Iraq:

"You better have helicopters ready to take those 3,000 civilians inside the Green Zone, where I have been seven times and shot at."

And here is what actually happened:  Biden was in the Green Zone, someone fired a mortar close to him and it landed a hundred yards away.  Soldiers told him he was in danger and they would need to seek cover if more mortars were fired.

So once again, as far as I can tell, this is a true story.  Biden was in Iraq, someone fired a mortar at him, soldiers told him he was potentially in danger.  Conservative rag The Washington Examiner is only calling it a lie because they're willfully misinterpreting what "shot as" implies.

As same with the fake war story he told he's clearly embellishing and stretching the truth to make himself look better. He made it sound like he was directly shot at in his comments when he wasn't and its evident by him being forced to clarify his remarks. A helicopter being grounded due to weather does not warrant the dramatic description of being 'forced down'. Along with the ridiculous assertion he knew where Osama bin Laden was. He has the same knack for lying as Trump and thats not what I want in a nominee.

[henster]

Expect more of this from the GOP, especially Trump if Biden is the nominee:

https://twitter.com/GovMikeHuckabee/status/1164874091679178752

Yep, people forget how effective the health conspiracies were against Hillary. I think it mattered even more than her emails.

[henster]

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1170376178915393537

Beyond parody...

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/joe-biden-once-said-democrats-needed-a-liberal-george-wallace

[henster]

I feel like the story does end up damaging Biden there is some smoke there it seems.

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/463307-solomon-these-once-secret-memos-cast-doubt-on-joe-bidens-ukraine-story

[henster]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1177669563477118976

This is a pretty brutal and effective ad no matter the context of what Biden is implying in that clip to someone less informed it looks damning.

[henster]

He should be hitting the cable news circuit and the Sunday shows slamming Trump and defending himself but he's relying on surrogates.