The BlueSwan Basement of Absurd & Ignorant Posts VIII

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I think Gabbard could win a county in WV.

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This would be a terrible ticket.

A first term congresswoman whose claim to fame is beating a centrist incumbent in a primary is not going to appeal to centrist voters.

Mike Capuano = centrist

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Of course it goes without saying that even the most rightwing member of the Moderate Party would be a Bernie Sanders Democrat if he or she lived in the US!!

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No, of course not.

Ya know, the damnedest thing here is if we were talking about an ethnic minority who committed a minor crime this board would be encouraging empathy and second chances, as they should. But whenever it's someone harder to empathize with the knives come out.

Jesus.

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No and this is why I say that Trumpism will continue long after Trump. As whites lose the numerical majority, even Bernie supporters will become increasingly reactionary conservative/racist and embrace cynical, white nationalist politics when that brand of Trumpism fits their fears. This is why unless we see a California-like surge in non-white voters over a decade, I don’t see demographic change turning America into California. Whites will just vote more and more Republican and the GOP will be able to win elections by winning 97% of the white vote while tanking even further with minorities.

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No and this is why I say that Trumpism will continue long after Trump. As whites lose the numerical majority, even Bernie supporters will become increasingly reactionary conservative/racist and embrace cynical, white nationalist politics when that brand of Trumpism fits their fears. This is why unless we see a California-like surge in non-white voters over a decade, I don’t see demographic change turning America into California. Whites will just vote more and more Republican and the GOP will be able to win elections by winning 97% of the white vote while tanking even further with minorities.

Wolverine22 might be able to join the IceSpear/Technocracy Timmy/Mizzouian/lfromnj/RussFeingoldWasRobbedk/Impartial Spectator/Jalaketu West Train of hatred towards rural whites.

97% is way higher than just rural whites.

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Bernie Sanders is trash. No accomplishments after decades in Congress, failed to build alliances and coalitions, and criticizes everybody’s record when all he does is grandstand, protest, and leave the hard decisions to everybody else. Then when you question his ideas he gets defensive and crotchety. Why would anyone want this idiot to be President?

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Poor white people vote GOP everywhere because muh culture war.

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No, simply because he doesnt have the influence that AOC has.

This, plus unlike Gaetz, AOC isn't a racist lunatic, and she actually has influence.

AOC isn't antiwhite?

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His post in this case is correct though.

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If you read the provisions of the bill, it's clear that it's more than just a generic support for "Ukraine's territorial integrity". The bill included specific provisions to greatly empower the President, the State Department, and the Defense Department to intervene in the country in order to 'stabilise' their economy and further enhance security operations with NATO, which is about the last thing that needed to be done.

If he doesn't adequately address this sort of nonsense on the campaign trail, IDK if I can vote for him in the primary.  Hashtag isolationism is the last thing America needs right now.

Not exactly sure how this equals isolationism, but I can assure you that non-intervention in the Ukraine is far superior to the belligerence that U.S. foreign policy has demonstrated since the Second World War

Protecting The Ukraine from Russian aggression is exactly what we need to be doing.

Why?

You circa 1938:

Person: "Protecting the Czechs from German aggression is exactly what we should be doing."

You: "Why?"

*All while thinking you are deep and just Question More*

Bruh, it's not about thinking I am deep. He asserted that protecting the Ukraine from Russian aggression is exactly what we need to be doing, and I asked him to back up that claim. Simple as that, really. Since the post I responded to gave my own reasons for why I would not have voted for the Ukraine Support Act (including that it includes intervenes in the Ukraine's economy and furthers American ties to NATO), and he didn't even attempt to give a rebuttal, I think I am justified in asking him why meddling in the Ukraine is any of our business.

And believe it or not, yeah, we shouldn't have "protected" Czechs from German aggression, either. You don't fight imperialism with more imperialism.

First off, it's just 'Ukraine', thanks, and has been since 1917. Ironic to talk about 'imperialism' if you don't even understand the regional context enough to know why this is important. Secondly, in what world is sending a sovereign state the resources to defend itself 'imperialism'? Or is this just another case of self-described 'leftists' calling anything the West does 'imperialism'? There is a moral imperative to help other free peoples in need of defense against tyranny, and in this case it is very cut and dry, given the legitimate government of the country requested the aid to defend against foreign aggression.

The first line of the Wikipedia article on Ukraine says this:

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Sometimes countries have different ways of referring to it and yours is not always the only correct in every context ever. Now, on to your main point. Once again, I must refer back to my original post which looked at the nature of the Ukraine Support Act more thoroughly. Bringing the United States closer to NATO, and in turn NATO closer to Eastern Europe and to do the Ukraine (even the historically Russian parts of it) is not only a violation of several historical agreements, but will objectively make the situation in Eastern Europe worst by bringing American red-lines to Russian borders (which is obvious by President Obama trying to economically and politically cut of Russia). This is the regional context, and it has a long history. The United States has shown itself to be the greatest threat to world peace by far, and when America brings her red-lines to Russia, it is absolutely an imperialist advance. Why do you think it would be anything else? The U.S. has a desire to maintain its hegemony, just as any other world power has done, hence military exercises in the Baltics, etc.

While we might have a "moral imperative" (whatever you think that means) to declare our support and promise refuge to victims of tyranny, to act as though this should extend much beyond this in the context of the Ukraine is foolish. I also find it very hypocritical for a nation like the United States to act like it has the "moral imperative" to do anything, considering Putin's annexation of the Crimea is child's play compared with the American invasion of Iraq, easily the greatest international crime of this century. At least the Crimea is historically Russian: what claim does the United States have to, for example, Guantanamo Bay?

Keeping Ukraine neutral is the best thing to be done. It keeps peace with Russia, and won't continue dangerous proxy wars.

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Ah yes, because being against the above act must obviously mean I want to throw myself into the art of Putin. Well, say whatever you want about Putin—think he’s the worst monster since Hitler—the Russians are not going to accept the move of the Ukrainian government to join NATO, or even the European Community.

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Of course, but I will admit my initial response was argumentative in nature. If you don't want to get embroiled into a debate, we can agree to disagree and I won't push the matter any further

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His post in this case is correct though.

And the anti-Catholic bigotry continues.

You can't be "bigoted" against an organization. It's also not bigotry to oppose the Republican Party, Democratic Party, Southern Baptist Convention, NARAL, the NRA, etc.

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His post in this case is correct though.

And the anti-Catholic bigotry continues.

You can't be "bigoted" against an organization. It's also not bigotry to oppose the Republican Party, Democratic Party, Southern Baptist Convention, NARAL, the NRA, etc.

So you're going to excuse the poster writing "main contributions"?  It's pretty evident that the poster's opinions extend beyond the Church itself.  Point #1 is evidence of that, as the poster portrays pro-life Catholics, who cite faith as their reasons for opposing abortions, as purposefully making women suffer.  Point #3 claims that the Catholic Church and, therefore, Catholics actively seek to establish schools that promote racism, a gross and disgusting claim to make. 

You can oppose the ideals of an organization, yes (though it's laughable that you included four non-religious or non-ethnic-based organizations up there to make your point), but when you claim that the Roman Catholic Church has only primarily done three terrible things in America, you are, in essence, tying the faith to those who practice it and are accusing all of those who follow the Church of carrying out these things or supporting them (two of which, Points #1 and #3, are not accurate and blatant attempts to call Catholics abusers of women and promoters of racism).

Please do not support absolute trash and bigotry like that post's content and then attempt to defend it by saying "But he was only attacking the institution, not the people!!!"  Furthermore, the fact that you agree with his post in its entirety, that the MAIN CONTRIBUTIONS of the Church are those three points, even if you are only referring to the Church, is certainly telling.

BRTD has always publicly hated Catholics, you see. He has revealed nothing that he didn't first reveal more than a decade ago when hating on every Catholic nation.

Ireland and Croatia != "every Catholic nation"

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Anyway let me just say that even despite its horrendous social conservative I still probably wouldn't have half the problems with Catholicism if it was respecting of peoples' wishes, personal choices and freedom.

Someone doesn't agree with Catholicism and doesn't want to be Catholic anymore? Then they're not Catholic anymore. The Catholic Church wants to believe that means they'll burn in Hell forever? Fine, they have a right to believe that. But that person also has a right to not be in any attached to a label they don't want.

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The sound you hear is all these WWC voters being relieved from their economic anxiety.

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The sound you hear is all these WWC voters being relieved from their economic anxiety.

What was wrong with this post? I would have assumed you actually would agree.

"Economic anxiety" is a long dead horse, was basically a strawman in the first place (virtually all unironic use of it was referring to Obama/Trump voters, not white nationalists or Naso-esque assorted bigots or Steve King's base, it wasn't exactly a very accurate description but had a completely different meaning than those who mocked it) and frankly was a silly thing to keep bashing and beating to death to begin with (OMG, some moron used a stupid phrase in a NY Times article 18 months ago! Who gives a sh!t?)

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Lean D. 2016 was the last time it [St. Louis County] voted more Democratic than the nation for a while.

It is going to be hilarious quoting you in two years.

You clearly don't understand Duluth.

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Bernie is never going to be President no matter how much you try to tear other people down.

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Guys the SOTU response is literally nothing but someone staring into a teleprompter and reading a canned statement that basically amounts to "We respectfully disagree with what the President said and this is why." Its an incredibly pointless ritual that has propelled no one to stardom.

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If only Hillary talked more about her economic policy, these two fellows would have voted for her.

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Trump's going to get reelected regardless so it doesn't matter.

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If only Hillary talked more about her economic policy, these two fellows would have voted for her.

That post was clearly sarcasm.

Yes it was, and it was still incredibly stupid and a blatant strawman.

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Solid of course being one who said this:

No. However the environment and the districts geography means that the seat could be competitive. If dems get a better recruit, then perhaps it could be competitive. Bryce is a poor recruit largely due to his personal past - if the race becomes competitive Bryce would be shoved aside by Ryan due to his past. There are potentially better candidates here that still seem to symbolize the WWC.  

I'm unfamiliar with his past, what is it that makes him a poor candidate?

http://fox6now.com/2017/11/10/report-paul-ryan-challenger-paid-off-delinquent-child-support/

Who cares.  Randy Bryce is an awesome candidate who is very much qualified for congress, more-so than anyone else, and would represent the people of WI-01 quite well.

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The Democratic establishment has already crowned Kamala Harris as their chosen nominee, before a single vote has even been cast. To avoid another Bernie debacle, they've decided to nip this one in the bud through a highly coordinated smear campaign using leftist media outlets and morons on Twitter.

Simple enough.

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Good job by Fairfax with his latest statement. They need to start using the term coup d’état because that’s what this really is. We must hang onto power at all costs. We cannot let Republicans have the trifecta because of a couple bad pictures and two women being paid to say that Fairfax raped them.