Opinion of the permabanned posters: Haley/Ryan

[John Dule]

I don’t care how “polite” or articulate you are, holding certain beliefs makes you an evil person. Haley/Ryan is a shining example of that.

The nicest thing I can say about him is that he’s young enough to change as a person. IIRC he isn’t even 19 yet. Lots of people fall into extremism when they’re young, but become better when they get older. I hope he can change.

His views are basically Vosem's but with a more aggressive personality. Would you consider Vosem to be evil or a bigot

Vosem literally denied the Nakba. I don't dislike him personally, but it shouldn't be confusing why others take issue with him.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

HP

[Fuzzy Bear]

liberals like ER

topkek

Glad to see the radicalization chamber continues strong.

He votes for all these bans . Yet many hostile red avies aren’t banned yet .

If he hasn’t voted then we should require equal amount of conservative and liberal moderators . Also you took this out of context as I said “bow down to liberals”

How many conservatives on this website don't have some sort of severe mental problem or come across as a potential terrorist? Five or six, maybe? Lmao. That's the real problem here. As hostile and stupid as liberals are, they rarely behave the way that an average internet conservative behaves. That's why conservatives get banned from every platform.

Should Crane and Ferguson be banned then cause they behave even worse than H/R did . Like H/R was a good faith poster who was pretty book smart too . Like yes he should have learnt not to take the bait as much as he did but isn’t that the problem of the people setting the bait to begin with in terms of forum rules .

Why are you guys always bringing me up for the whataboutism crap. If you think I broke the rules, then report the comment. Otherwise stfu.
And Haley/Ryan didn't need "bait." He vomited forth a lot of this stuff unprompted and unsolicited.

I'm not going to stfu.  Certainly not on you.  You obviously don't understand that you don't give orders here.

"Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."

This is Saul Alinsky's Rule #4 of "Rules for Radicals".  This is practiced by Leftists here all the time, but when a conservative chooses to hold a Leftist to their own rules, they cry "Whataboutism!". 

People who do that are pathetic.  They are pathetic because they are people who can't live up to their own rules, but cry "Whataboutism!" when confronted with their inconsistencies.

You are one of the nastiest and ill-tempered posters around here.  You believe that the nobility of your political views allows you to be as nasty toward others here as you want to be.  People are calling you on this, and you cry, "Whataboutism!" because you are unwilling to look at your own inconsistencies.

[President of the great nation of 🏳️‍⚧️]

HP

Pack it up, folks, the good Lord has cast his judgment upon Haley/Ryan. Death is inevitable; salvation is not.

[Joseph Cao]

No one's pretending that you yourself haven't been radicalized by a certain social circle which happens to include the most recently muted user. You're not an "Old School" Republican anymore, you're a generic one who dislikes Trump personally but is aligned with him on everything else. That has been the case for well over a year. No one is calling for your ban.

One difference between you and H/R is that the latter was better at articulating himself. Agree with it or not, fewer people take you seriously for that reason, and the persecution complex displayed by the likes of you and Fuzzy Bear won't win you guys any sympathy.

If it's that bad, and if the mod team is that skewed against any genuine right-of-center views, why do you keep coming here?

Haley/Ryan wasn’t on conservacord until he got banned . Fuzzy and I keep complaining because unlike the vast majority of ccord posters we liked how the forum was in the Muon era and we just want that era of moderating back .

Neither of us had much problem with the moderating team in that era

The "most recently muted user" is Yellowhammer.

Anyway, because I was curious, I went back and found H/R's original ban:

Haley/Ryan has been banned for six months and will be on thin ice upon his return.

OSR, you've been on this forum a long time, you knew the likely next step up from a long ban like this one if he continued stomping on the thin ice was going to be a permaban. Exactly what about this message suggests that he wasn't going to be sanctioned according to ToS if he continued to start arguments and then not know how to get out of them?

[OSR stands with Israel]

No one's pretending that you yourself haven't been radicalized by a certain social circle which happens to include the most recently muted user. You're not an "Old School" Republican anymore, you're a generic one who dislikes Trump personally but is aligned with him on everything else. That has been the case for well over a year. No one is calling for your ban.

One difference between you and H/R is that the latter was better at articulating himself. Agree with it or not, fewer people take you seriously for that reason, and the persecution complex displayed by the likes of you and Fuzzy Bear won't win you guys any sympathy.

If it's that bad, and if the mod team is that skewed against any genuine right-of-center views, why do you keep coming here?

Haley/Ryan wasn’t on conservacord until he got banned . Fuzzy and I keep complaining because unlike the vast majority of ccord posters we liked how the forum was in the Muon era and we just want that era of moderating back .

Neither of us had much problem with the moderating team in that era

The "most recently muted user" is Yellowhammer.

Anyway, because I was curious, I went back and found H/R's original mute:

Haley/Ryan has been banned for six months and will be on thin ice upon his return.

OSR, you've been on this forum a long time, you knew the likely next step up from a long ban like this one if he continued stomping on the thin ice was going to be a permaban. Exactly what about this message suggests that he wasn't going to be sanctioned according to ToS if he continued to start arguments and then not know how to get out of them?

I have not objected to actions taken against YH like I have with HR. I also think he never should have been temp banned either and made that clear at the time.

Conservatives who are aggressive are moderated far more harshly than liberals who are . If this was not the case : Crane, Ferguson, Badger all would be Perma Banned by now

[Never Made it to Graceland]

No one's pretending that you yourself haven't been radicalized by a certain social circle which happens to include the most recently muted user. You're not an "Old School" Republican anymore, you're a generic one who dislikes Trump personally but is aligned with him on everything else. That has been the case for well over a year. No one is calling for your ban.

One difference between you and H/R is that the latter was better at articulating himself. Agree with it or not, fewer people take you seriously for that reason, and the persecution complex displayed by the likes of you and Fuzzy Bear won't win you guys any sympathy.

If it's that bad, and if the mod team is that skewed against any genuine right-of-center views, why do you keep coming here?

Haley/Ryan wasn’t on conservacord until he got banned . Fuzzy and I keep complaining because unlike the vast majority of ccord posters we liked how the forum was in the Muon era and we just want that era of moderating back .

Neither of us had much problem with the moderating team in that era

The "most recently muted user" is Yellowhammer.

Anyway, because I was curious, I went back and found H/R's original mute:

Haley/Ryan has been banned for six months and will be on thin ice upon his return.

OSR, you've been on this forum a long time, you knew the likely next step up from a long ban like this one if he continued stomping on the thin ice was going to be a permaban. Exactly what about this message suggests that he wasn't going to be sanctioned according to ToS if he continued to start arguments and then not know how to get out of them?

I have not objected to actions taken against YH like I have with HR. I also think he never should have been temp banned either and made that clear at the time.

Conservatives who are aggressive are moderated far more harshly than liberals who are . If this was not the case : Crane, Ferguson, Badger all would be Perma Banned by now

Why do you think being racist and advocating for violence is equivalent to libs being mean?

[OSR stands with Israel]

No one's pretending that you yourself haven't been radicalized by a certain social circle which happens to include the most recently muted user. You're not an "Old School" Republican anymore, you're a generic one who dislikes Trump personally but is aligned with him on everything else. That has been the case for well over a year. No one is calling for your ban.

One difference between you and H/R is that the latter was better at articulating himself. Agree with it or not, fewer people take you seriously for that reason, and the persecution complex displayed by the likes of you and Fuzzy Bear won't win you guys any sympathy.

If it's that bad, and if the mod team is that skewed against any genuine right-of-center views, why do you keep coming here?

Haley/Ryan wasn’t on conservacord until he got banned . Fuzzy and I keep complaining because unlike the vast majority of ccord posters we liked how the forum was in the Muon era and we just want that era of moderating back .

Neither of us had much problem with the moderating team in that era

The "most recently muted user" is Yellowhammer.

Anyway, because I was curious, I went back and found H/R's original mute:

Haley/Ryan has been banned for six months and will be on thin ice upon his return.

OSR, you've been on this forum a long time, you knew the likely next step up from a long ban like this one if he continued stomping on the thin ice was going to be a permaban. Exactly what about this message suggests that he wasn't going to be sanctioned according to ToS if he continued to start arguments and then not know how to get out of them?

I have not objected to actions taken against YH like I have with HR. I also think he never should have been temp banned either and made that clear at the time.

Conservatives who are aggressive are moderated far more harshly than liberals who are . If this was not the case : Crane, Ferguson, Badger all would be Perma Banned by now

Why do you think being racist and advocating for violence is equivalent to libs being mean?

He is not racist and btw if what he said is "advocating for violence" then what would post 9/11 American Discourse be considered.


 

[Never Made it to Graceland]

No one's pretending that you yourself haven't been radicalized by a certain social circle which happens to include the most recently muted user. You're not an "Old School" Republican anymore, you're a generic one who dislikes Trump personally but is aligned with him on everything else. That has been the case for well over a year. No one is calling for your ban.

One difference between you and H/R is that the latter was better at articulating himself. Agree with it or not, fewer people take you seriously for that reason, and the persecution complex displayed by the likes of you and Fuzzy Bear won't win you guys any sympathy.

If it's that bad, and if the mod team is that skewed against any genuine right-of-center views, why do you keep coming here?

Haley/Ryan wasn’t on conservacord until he got banned . Fuzzy and I keep complaining because unlike the vast majority of ccord posters we liked how the forum was in the Muon era and we just want that era of moderating back .

Neither of us had much problem with the moderating team in that era

The "most recently muted user" is Yellowhammer.

Anyway, because I was curious, I went back and found H/R's original mute:

Haley/Ryan has been banned for six months and will be on thin ice upon his return.

OSR, you've been on this forum a long time, you knew the likely next step up from a long ban like this one if he continued stomping on the thin ice was going to be a permaban. Exactly what about this message suggests that he wasn't going to be sanctioned according to ToS if he continued to start arguments and then not know how to get out of them?

I have not objected to actions taken against YH like I have with HR. I also think he never should have been temp banned either and made that clear at the time.

Conservatives who are aggressive are moderated far more harshly than liberals who are . If this was not the case : Crane, Ferguson, Badger all would be Perma Banned by now

Why do you think being racist and advocating for violence is equivalent to libs being mean?

He is not racist and btw if what he said is "advocating for violence" then what would post 9/11 American Discourse be considered.

Doesn't help your case.

Nick Fuentes is getting unbanned on Twitter. So go hang out there if you want to be around that kind of stuff all day. I'd like to be in an environment without a teenage edgelord writing multiple paragraphs about how segregated schools are actually good, Gaza should be a crater and that the Great Replacement Theory (that posits Jews are plotting to replace whites with immigrants from 'undesirable' countries [like India]) is true and defensible.

[Excessive Hyperbole]

Other vatniks will be next. Good riddance to every last one of those bootlickers.

He was not a Vatnicks. He opposed aid to Israel too despite being very Pro Israel so his position was more that he opposed all foreign aid in general.

He supported the sanctions we had against Russia for example and clearly opposed their goals of regime change. Again people on here had a tendency to take everything he said out of context and did it over and over again .

I'm just going to say that you yambering on the fences for a grotesque anti-semite and racist, plus a guy who very recently defended the so-called freedom of speech involved in AI Kiddy porn, you're really doing yourself a disservice. Might I suggest a nice big Frosty glass of STFU juice before you do yourself any more damage?

He’s neither an anti semite or racist . His political views are literally just Vosem’s but more aggressive

Stop simping for the racists who use your vote but would happily deport you based on the color of your skin and religion alone. It’s very naïve.

I stand with OSR.

[OSR stands with Israel]

No one's pretending that you yourself haven't been radicalized by a certain social circle which happens to include the most recently muted user. You're not an "Old School" Republican anymore, you're a generic one who dislikes Trump personally but is aligned with him on everything else. That has been the case for well over a year. No one is calling for your ban.

One difference between you and H/R is that the latter was better at articulating himself. Agree with it or not, fewer people take you seriously for that reason, and the persecution complex displayed by the likes of you and Fuzzy Bear won't win you guys any sympathy.

If it's that bad, and if the mod team is that skewed against any genuine right-of-center views, why do you keep coming here?

Haley/Ryan wasn’t on conservacord until he got banned . Fuzzy and I keep complaining because unlike the vast majority of ccord posters we liked how the forum was in the Muon era and we just want that era of moderating back .

Neither of us had much problem with the moderating team in that era

The "most recently muted user" is Yellowhammer.

Anyway, because I was curious, I went back and found H/R's original mute:

Haley/Ryan has been banned for six months and will be on thin ice upon his return.

OSR, you've been on this forum a long time, you knew the likely next step up from a long ban like this one if he continued stomping on the thin ice was going to be a permaban. Exactly what about this message suggests that he wasn't going to be sanctioned according to ToS if he continued to start arguments and then not know how to get out of them?

I have not objected to actions taken against YH like I have with HR. I also think he never should have been temp banned either and made that clear at the time.

Conservatives who are aggressive are moderated far more harshly than liberals who are . If this was not the case : Crane, Ferguson, Badger all would be Perma Banned by now

Why do you think being racist and advocating for violence is equivalent to libs being mean?

He is not racist and btw if what he said is "advocating for violence" then what would post 9/11 American Discourse be considered.

Doesn't help your case.

Nick Fuentes is getting unbanned on Twitter. So go hang out there if you want to be around that kind of stuff all day. I'd like to be in an environment without someone writing multiple paragraphs about how segregated schools are actually good, Gaza should be a crater and that the Great Replacement Theory (that posits Jews are plotting to replace whites with immigrants from 'undesirable' countries [like India]) is true and defensible.

1. He never defended segregation

2. Ok then you can put him on ignore

3. No he did not say this, that was YH. What he said was Democrats actively invited it by pushing the demographics= destiny talking point which they did do all throughout the 2010s.  You are being actively misleading.

He literally posted this on immigration:

Here's an immigration proposal I drafted previously:

The writing is a little faux legalistic, but I think the content is good.

This is one of the most disturbing things I have ever read. What is the matter with you?

Elaborate. What do you find disturbing?

I'm still waiting. I don't think we have enough broad-scale discussions about immigration because we're almost always so focused on the minutiae of the border crisis right now. I like the idea of having one.

I wouldn’t use that language but I will ask what do you mean by an “assimilation test” . Like that map just looks like a Christian vs non Christian map so would one of the criteria be related to whether or not someone is a Christian or not .

Sure. There are three assimilation tests referenced, one for Latin American countries, one for developed East Asian countries, and one for Middle Eastern countries. Each of these tests would test for different things, but none would involve religious testing of the sort you reference (and separately, all Middle Eastern Christians would be available for immigration under Category B here). The MidEast test would essentially try to screen out Islamist and anti-American sentiment, and screen for skills (speaking English, trades, etc) that would make someone particularly beneficial upon entering the US. The LatAm one would do something similar but with a greater emphasis on culture and none at all on Islamism. The East Asian one would be similar to the LatAm one but adjusted for cultural differences between the two regions.

Imo a test would useful to screen out people who have anti American sentiment or are religious extremists but I don’t think it’s actually useful in finding out whether someone will assimilate or not. I would say the best way to tell if they will is :

1. Do they have a stable job

2. Do they have young kids or plan to have kids because many immigrants assimilate through their kids

3. Can they speak fluent English

4. Are they living any ethnic enclaves

I mean all of those are strongly associated with assimilation so yeah, it would basically be testing for that + certain more local things (often related to the anti-American sentiment or extremism you mentioned before.)

Imo the biggest problem we have in this case comes from the broken way we do merit based immigration. There are many many immigrants here in H1B visas who have no idea if they will be allowed to stay or go , and because of that they are unsure if they should assimilate or not due to worry they may have to go back .

A better way to deal with this is create a 3 step process for merit based immigration

Step 1 : H1B stage

- Everyone who wants to stay here permanently must go through this stage first

- The visa only is valid for a period of 6 years (with only one 3 year extension potentially being granted and will get to it later )

Step 2 : Permanent Residency

- After 5 years , people who have H1B visas can apply for permanent residency . We can actually then test for assimilation better at this stage as well and also reduce the insane wait times this system currently has .

- Anyone who doesn’t apply for permanent residency will have to leave the country within a year as their visa won’t be extended. Those who are rejected may be given a 3 year extension if close but if they are still rejected at the end of the extension period then they have to leave


Step 3 : Citizenship

- Basically same as now

I'm okay with something like this for simplifying visas for skilled workers (indeed, the Cat H process I describe is similar to this), but I think it's very important to loosen immigration restrictions in other areas based on those aforementioned factors. Primarily, I think it very important to have a flexible labor market, and believe that by linking the American labor market to the European and (partially) Latin American ones with free immigration, we can remove the direct element of government control over the amount of labor entering the market. Thus, we can create a free market for labor between these countries.

Ideally, we could do the same with the whole world, but I don't think that's possible because of cultural and economic factors.

I also actually really dislike H1B in this regard, because it ties these new immigrants to their jobs and gives companies the ability to control who can immigrate, thus reducing market flexibility and freedom and de facto subsidizing companies that can afford to go through this process.

His legal immigration proposal is actually pretty liberal across the board . Even in the countries he puts as more restrictive test, it in some ways would be pretty liberal. Like he literally just wants an Australian Style Points based system but in liberals mind thats racist which is lol

[7,052,770]

I think it's important for everyone to remember that we never see all of another user's posts (because who has the time or interest to read every thread on every board), especially those that get moderated and removed before we do see them, so it's pretty silly to confidently assert that someone "never" said something. Add in that so many posters cower away in these "cords" and side boards rather than just posting here, so how can anyone be expected to know everything other posters have said or didn't?

Personally, I trust the moderator team (which consists of a lot of well-respected, professional posters from all over the political spectrum) to get it right. Even when I don't really understand their decision, I just assume they know more than I do, and I give them the benefit of the doubt.

[DaleCooper]

No one's pretending that you yourself haven't been radicalized by a certain social circle which happens to include the most recently muted user. You're not an "Old School" Republican anymore, you're a generic one who dislikes Trump personally but is aligned with him on everything else. That has been the case for well over a year. No one is calling for your ban.

One difference between you and H/R is that the latter was better at articulating himself. Agree with it or not, fewer people take you seriously for that reason, and the persecution complex displayed by the likes of you and Fuzzy Bear won't win you guys any sympathy.

If it's that bad, and if the mod team is that skewed against any genuine right-of-center views, why do you keep coming here?

Haley/Ryan wasn’t on conservacord until he got banned . Fuzzy and I keep complaining because unlike the vast majority of ccord posters we liked how the forum was in the Muon era and we just want that era of moderating back .

Neither of us had much problem with the moderating team in that era

The "most recently muted user" is Yellowhammer.

Anyway, because I was curious, I went back and found H/R's original mute:

Haley/Ryan has been banned for six months and will be on thin ice upon his return.

OSR, you've been on this forum a long time, you knew the likely next step up from a long ban like this one if he continued stomping on the thin ice was going to be a permaban. Exactly what about this message suggests that he wasn't going to be sanctioned according to ToS if he continued to start arguments and then not know how to get out of them?

I have not objected to actions taken against YH like I have with HR. I also think he never should have been temp banned either and made that clear at the time.

Conservatives who are aggressive are moderated far more harshly than liberals who are . If this was not the case : Crane, Ferguson, Badger all would be Perma Banned by now

It's not really aggression so much as it is that these people regularly say unacceptable things.

[Ferguson97]

He is not racist and btw if what he said is "advocating for violence" then what would post 9/11 American Discourse be considered.

Post-9/11 discourse was completely vile and racist. This is not a comparison you should be making if you want to defend H/R.

[Secretary of State Liberal Hack]

Illiterate

[MasterJedi]

Other vatniks will be next. Good riddance to every last one of those bootlickers.

He was not a Vatnicks. He opposed aid to Israel too despite being very Pro Israel so his position was more that he opposed all foreign aid in general.

He supported the sanctions we had against Russia for example and clearly opposed their goals of regime change. Again people on here had a tendency to take everything he said out of context and did it over and over again .

I'm just going to say that you yambering on the fences for a grotesque anti-semite and racist, plus a guy who very recently defended the so-called freedom of speech involved in AI Kiddy porn, you're really doing yourself a disservice. Might I suggest a nice big Frosty glass of STFU juice before you do yourself any more damage?

He’s neither an anti semite or racist . His political views are literally just Vosem’s but more aggressive

Stop simping for the racists who use your vote but would happily deport you based on the color of your skin and religion alone. It’s very naïve.

I stand with OSR.

Actually trying to help him. But he doesn’t understand that standing up for and lashing himself to virulent racists who think he’s trying to replace white people won’t help him in the end. They’re just going to use him and then turn on him once they get what they want. Hope he learns it as he continues to grow and learn.

[Never Made it to Graceland]

1. He never defended segregation

2. Ok then you can put him on ignore

3. No he did not say this, that was YH. What he said was Democrats actively invited it by pushing the demographics= destiny talking point which they did do all throughout the 2010s.  You are being actively misleading.

He did all three things. You just didn't see it before it got deleted.

This is pretty embarrassing for you. Defending someone's rulebreaking sight unseen just because they're a blue avatar.

I'm sure it won't stop you from another 20 comments in this thread complaining though.

[Meclazine for Israel]

Inaugural Hall of Fame material.

[Vosem]

His views are basically Vosem's but with a more aggressive personality. Would you consider Vosem to be evil or a bigot

Am I allowed to answer this question in the affirmative without being sanctioned for a personal attack?

It's not like Vosem himself would even disagree. He responded to someone accusing him of advocating for Gaza to be bombed to smithereens by saying "yes, but technically...."

Hilarious that OSR has now been fighting about this for 20+ comments in here. Fighting for someone who privately probably thinks his family shouldn't have been allowed to come to this country.

Wait, what was the 'technically'? I've repeatedly said that Post removed by moderator.

I don’t care how “polite” or articulate you are, holding certain beliefs makes you an evil person. Haley/Ryan is a shining example of that.

The nicest thing I can say about him is that he’s young enough to change as a person. IIRC he isn’t even 19 yet. Lots of people fall into extremism when they’re young, but become better when they get older. I hope he can change.

His views are basically Vosem's but with a more aggressive personality. Would you consider Vosem to be evil or a bigot

Vosem literally denied the Nakba. I don't dislike him personally, but it shouldn't be confusing why others take issue with him.

I've never denied that there was an exodus from Palestine in 1948? I think blaming the Zionist government for it is ridiculous (for the same reasons that I think it's silly to blame the Indian government for the flight of the Muhajirs in 1947, or to blame the RPF for Hutus fleeing in 1994-5 -- or, for an example closer to my heart, to blame the RSFSR for White emigration), but I'm not sure we've disagreed on any particular facts. The disagreement is about what sorts of actions are blameworthy or praiseworthy, and in what contexts.

[7,052,770]

Why do you always argue that various Republicans posters that you knee-jerk defend "never" said stuff that a lot of people claim they said? How can you be sure they never said it? How can you be sure you didn't miss it, or that it wasn't modded before you had to chance to read it?

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Of course Australian immigration policy is racist (at least in practice), OSR. You're not going to make left-of-center posters any more sympathetic to an Australian-inspired approach to...anything to do with race relations, really, by going around bleating "points-based system, points-based system" like you're a medieval sorcerer going "SATOR AREPO TENET OPERA ROTAS".

I've repeatedly said that Post removed by moderator.

I love you, man.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Of course Australian immigration policy is racist (at least in practice), OSR. You're not going to make left-of-center posters any more sympathetic to an Australian-inspired approach to...anything to do with race relations, really, by going around bleating "points-based system, points-based system" like you're a medieval sorcerer going "SATOR AREPO TENET OPERA ROTAS".

In OSR's defense, there was a time when Trump made some tweets praising Australian immigration policy and some Orwellian posters they put up in common points of origin to Australia, and about half of the responses in opposition were the sort of stereotypically moronic liberal Twitterites trying to "um, actually" and construe some weird ass argument as to why this is not the same thing as what Trump's administration was doing and why he was worse instead of just saying "Yeah Australia is really bad on immigration too" like the other half were.

(The other really infuriating example of this was when Josh Hawley made some tweet about how he was pushing for a bill to mandate teaching the Constitution and Declaration of Independence in all schools and while about half the replies were correctly pointing out it was the dumbest virtue-signaliest bill ever as there's not a school in the country that doesn't teach those things a bunch inexplicably instead decided to use a "YOU WANT TO MANDATE TEACHING DOCUMENTS WRITTEN BY SLAVE OWNERS!!!!" line of attack.)

[Ferguson97]

My favorite OSR-ism is when he says stuff like “if you think Ronald Reagan was racist, then Richard Nixon was too!” like it’s supposed to be a gotcha moment.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

My favorite OSR-ism is when he says stuff like “if you think Ronald Reagan was racist, then Richard Nixon was too!” like it’s supposed to be a gotcha moment.

My favorite was that time he tried to convince this forum that electing the liberal candidate to the Wisconsin Supreme Court would undo Scott Walker's legacy...and that that was a bad thing that we would be upset.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

OSR, you might find your complaints about red av toxicity gaining a lot more sympathy if you weren't bringing them up almost exclusively while railing against the bans of reactionaries who espouse loathsome bigotries that you insist don't exist because you didn't see them.