2024 Third Party and Independent Candidate General discussion

[AltWorlder]

They’re only truly conservative on life and family issues, so not a huge surprise

[PSOL]

They’re only truly conservative on life and family issues, so not a huge surprise

Abolishing the Fed and returning to a gold standard, taken together, is not a liberal policy.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Get ready for No Party Labels

https://www.nolabels.org/about-us

As I said Biden isn't safe, Hunter has just been charged and still Biden has Docugate, there isn't a candidate for No Party's Labels yet but it will be Manchin

[PSOL]

The itinerary for Porcfest looks insane

[America Needs R'hllor]

https://twitter.com/gregorykorte/status/1671698081010577409?t=Uv8A8XOXNMpv_Npblz...

Putin's campaign. The most blatant one in 2024.

[MichaelM24]

I didn't love Stein, but I voted for her in 2016. At the time he was running, I preferred Hawkins' campaign in 2020, but the fact that Cornel West has a big name in the party behind him will definitely help.

[PSOL]

The anti-Hawkins forces tried with some virtue signaling token to beat a man who’s been running since the 80s. Now they are trying a different approach in trying to get DSA superstar West in the ring to one-up him on attracting BernorBusters. I have my doubts it’s gonna go far, but Hawkins is not helping himself by supporting the Ukrainian government instead of its people.

The P&F primary is going to be insane.

[AltWorlder]

Hawkins is like Jermey Corbyn, well-meaning and put his time at the coal face but too old and doddering-seeming to put up a solid defense when attacked.

[PSOL]

Hawkins is like Jermey Corbyn, well-meaning and put his time at the coal face but too old and doddering-seeming to put up a solid defense when attacked.

Out of all my criticisms of Hawkins, including his ecosocialist nonsense and inability to stop promoting party unity, he’s far less of a cuck than Corbyn who just goes along with people’s attacks. Watching him in the debates and following his twitter feed shows he has a lot of fight for his age.

[PSOL]

LNC wins trademark over dissidents

RFK Jr threatens independent run. If so, this would be just one out of the three splits Democrats have faced during the Biden Era, making him the most divisive leader of the party since LBJ or Jimmy Carter.

The recent BAN monthly report shows that the Libertarian party is the most successful third party since the 1910s downballot on local races. Albeit that is diminished a bit now that one of their major mayoral members defected to Forward. Also the eventual Green Party candidate could be on the ballot on 29 states compared to 19 just 4 years ago, which is worse than what the constitution party currently has at 31 states and Libertarians just about everywhere.

The ASP is currently hosting their convention

[AltWorlder]

Truman faced a left split from Henry Wallace and a right split from Strom Thurmond, worked out for him I guess

[LabourJersey]

Truman faced a left split from Henry Wallace and a right split from Strom Thurmond, worked out for him I guess

Not really - Truman had a massive New Deal Coalition to work with, and still nearly lost. If Dewey wasn't such an incredibly lazy campaigner, he would have been President.

[PSOL]

Truman faced a left split from Henry Wallace and a right split from Strom Thurmond, worked out for him I guess

Not really - Truman had a massive New Deal Coalition to work with, and still nearly lost. If Dewey wasn't such an incredibly lazy campaigner, he would have been President.

In this case, there is no rights wing candidate. There is a parallel to Jimmy Carter’s first campaign.

[PSOL]

Howie Hawkins has declined to run for the nomination

[AltWorlder]

Dang now only Dario Hunter can stop the entryist

[PSOL]

I really do think that this is the best news cycle for third parties since 2016. So far social movements were pretty heavily featured in the news cycle from 2016-2020 and continuing on strong and now it has transferred down to third parties.

The Green Party has had its best news cycle since 2016, almost exclusively around Cornel West, and the Libertarian party has gotten infamous for its infighting. The PSL and to a more minor extent the ASP has gotten massive attention too by mainstream media. With that, the biggest winner has got to be Richard Winger and BAN who have gotten the word out there that they exist. The Constitution, Alliance, and Reform parties have been in a news drought that shows just how mighty they have fallen.

[Mr. Smith]

Howie Hawkins has declined to run for the nomination

Welp, I guess I'm looking for a different 3rd or Indie then.

[MichaelM24]

With that, the biggest winner has got to be Richard Winger and BAN who have gotten the word out there that they exist.

I saw that he was stepping down from BAN, which isn't surprising, given how long he's been doing it, but I'm hoping that Redpath is able to keep things strong (and maybe combat some of the trolls that have taken to the comments section).

Definitely appreciate BAN - one of the few sites I check in on every day.

[The Mikado]

With that, the biggest winner has got to be Richard Winger and BAN who have gotten the word out there that they exist.

I saw that he was stepping down from BAN, which isn't surprising, given how long he's been doing it, but I'm hoping that Redpath is able to keep things strong (and maybe combat some of the trolls that have taken to the comments section).

Definitely appreciate BAN - one of the few sites I check in on every day.

I don't check it every day but would like to echo it as an incredible resource.

Really curious what the Libertarians end up doing. America's oldest (don't bring up the Prohibition or Socialist Parties, they're irrelevant husks) and strongest third party pissing it all away in real time has been incredible to watch.

[PSOL]

Howie Hawkins has declined to run for the nomination

Welp, I guess I'm looking for a different 3rd or Indie then.

The WCP are running in 2024.

Wow, thanks to my work, this is probably the most acknowledgment of third party and independent candidates ever on this site.

[Vosem]

With that, the biggest winner has got to be Richard Winger and BAN who have gotten the word out there that they exist.

I saw that he was stepping down from BAN, which isn't surprising, given how long he's been doing it, but I'm hoping that Redpath is able to keep things strong (and maybe combat some of the trolls that have taken to the comments section).

Definitely appreciate BAN - one of the few sites I check in on every day.

I don't check it every day but would like to echo it as an incredible resource.

Really curious what the Libertarians end up doing. America's oldest (don't bring up the Prohibition or Socialist Parties, they're irrelevant husks) and strongest third party pissing it all away in real time has been incredible to watch.

I wrote out an effort-post to respond to this, but it got eaten by the time limit. Currently, the most prominent name running is Jacob Hornberger, who also placed first in the 2020 Libertarian primaries (28%-20% against Jorgensen) and second in the balloting (53%-28% against Jorgensen); Hornberger is associated with the Mises Caucus, which took over the LNC at the 2022 convention (although I'm not sure if he has their endorsement for 2024, he had it in 2020) but he's not a particularly divisive figure and it's unlikely anyone would leave over him getting nominated who hasn't left already. (Four state parties disaffiliated over the Mises takeover; PA and NH actually have two rival Libertarian parties at the moment, both with ballot access. The Libertarians are actually sufficiently large that they really could split in half and have both halves maintain ballot access in most places.) It's very early days and the Libertarian Party distinctly has a taste for more notorious or famous candidates, so Hornberger is far from guaranteed to be the nominee, but he's the most prominent name running now.

In general, control over the Libertarian Party has oscillated before between 'surprisingly quite culturally right-wing' (1988/1992/2004) and 'not really all that culturally right-wing' (other years); the former takes control occasionally but the latter tends to win more often, because the former -- while it can usually command greater numbers in the electorate, actually -- tends to get distracted and joins the GOP or other right-wing parties. (Also, the latter is a political machine but very much also a subculture, in which at this point people have, like, grown up and married. It is more committed to the organization but less committed to the ideology than you'd expect and contains a number of, like, 'Christmas and Easter' libertarians.)

In general, as the electorate gets more libertarian, with both very extreme fiscal conservatism much more common than 20 years ago and once-fringe ideas like drug legalization becoming mainstream, I actually wonder if there just isn't room in America for two libertarian third-parties, one emphasizing the former and another the latter. Hornberger probably won't make anyone leave who hasn't already, but I wonder about an LNC nominating someone like Jeremy Kauffman making the Harry Browne people leave, or nominating someone like Vermin Supreme and making the Mises people leave.

[PSOL]

Thomas Knapp throwing his bid in the ring “for fun”

[PSOL]

English Wikipedia’s policies really show how anti-third party it is in regards to US politics. Jacob Hornberger isn’t listed as a candidate for the Libertarians and Cornel West with many major endorsements does not have a campaign thread unlike the irrelevant West.

I’m not creating a twitter account anytime soon, so I ask of the readers to contribute here to keep this thread active.

[American2020]

Do you think Joe Manchin's candidacy will sink Biden's one ?

[PSOL]

Do you think Joe Manchin's candidacy will sink Biden's one ?

No, and on top of that he won’t run.