2024 Third Party and Independent Candidate General discussion

[PSOL]

The Utah branch of American solidarity had its endorsement of Evan Mcmullin revoked by the national leadership, still think it’s a nice guy, FF party atlas?

Left voice gave a last second endorsement to the WCP

[PSOL]

At the very minimum, out of the contested races, the greens will gain a net +1

They’ve established ballot access in a net of +2 states, they aren’t ballot qualified in Maryland at this moment however.

Barrios underperformed immensely in Texas, especially given that the other statewide candidates got almost double the votes to the surprise of no one. In Florida, they did well in a Trump district and would have done well overall statewide if they didn’t sabotage the candidates campaign.
ASP got around ~1000 votes in Texas
The Reform party is practicing fusionism and won a race
The constitution party continues it’s decline with a loss of ballot access in Missouri
Libertarians had a great night in many regards, but that info will be sent to the appropriate thread
The SWP WP, and WCP results, the overachievers they have been, will be posted shortly
 

[PSOL]

Greens don’t have a positive net ballot access showing this election, and they’re set to lose two seats. Libertarians won bigly in being the only major party with gains in that arena

Wikipedia finally updated their tallies for the right officeholders per party:
Libertarian: 302
Green 136
Constitution: 20–with Wikipedia finally calling them a minor party

I mean, this election was very much one based on trends. Greens having a mixed bag in terms of performance since the splits, Libertarians winning huge downballot, constitution dying, and a whole lot of newcomers performing amicably. The only other things of note is the ASP underperforming their presidential totals by a lot for governor and alliance doing poorly outside of perennial strength in Minnesota.

[PSOL]

The Green papers provides some excellent analysis

Some highlights for house:

Libertarian+ 84 candidates    723957votes   0.81%   $235,338 spent per FEC
Green + 5   candidates    63966  0.05%   $21,996
Working Class 8       52,446   0.05%   $1,061
LMN 4       46,453   0.05%   $39,746
Constitution+ 11.  40249   0.05%   $35000
United Utah   Other Third Party   2       29000   0.02%   $120,090
Socialist Workers Party   Other Third Party   3       14,270   0.01%   


Senate:
Libertarian   Libertarian   20       678,224   0.90%   $324,701
Green+   Green   4       83000   0.11%   $160,013
Democratic-Nonpartisan League   Democratic   1       59,804   0.08%   $92,623
No Party Affiliation   Independent   2       49,194   0.07%   $76,235
Progressive Party of Oregon   Other Third Party   1       31,648   0.04%   
Keystone   Other Third Party   1       26,217   0.03%   
LaRouche   Other Third Party   1       25,707   0.03%   $310,861
Constitution   Constitution   2       23,005   0.03%   $3,140
Pacific Green   Green   1       19,937   0.03%   
Unity   Other Third Party   1       15,800   0.02%   
Independent American   Other Third Party   2       15,244   0.02%   
None of these candidates   Others   1       12,077   0.02%   
Approval Voting   Other Third Party   1       11,074   0.01%   
Aloha 'Āina   Other Third Party   1       2,189   0.00%   
Green Mountain   Other Third Party   1       1,569   0.00%   

Governor:
Libertarian   Libertarian   24       652,159   0.79%
Green   Green   4       75,558   0.09%
Legal Marijuana Now   Other Third Party   1       29,435   0.04%
Grassroots - Legalize Cannabis   Other Third Party   1       22,604   0.03%
American Constitution   Constitution   1       21,120   0.03%
Keystone   Other Third Party   1       20,290   0.02%
Independence-Alliance   Other Third Party   1       18,156   0.02%
Constitution+   3.             28000   0.03%
Working Class   Independent   1       15,072   0.02%
Liberation   Other Third Party   1       8,154   0.01%
Socialist Workers Party   Other Third Party   1       7,240   0.01%
Unity   Other Third Party   1       6,388   0.01%
Natural Law   Other Third Party   1       4,954   0.01%

Rough math was applied and I combined totals for the big three if they aligned with local partners.

[ReallySuper]

Of course, there's also lots of write-ins that can't be properly attributed to any party, including 47,000 in the New York gubernatorial race alone where neither the Libertarians nor the Greens (Howie Hawkins) made the ballot after the Dems tripled the petition signature requirement.

[PSOL]

LMN got 30% of the vote in statewide Nebraska race

Well, it has found a backup base area when Minnesota legalizes weed.

The workers party was also a huge winner
https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2022/11/massachusetts-workers-party-candidates-receive-over-50000-total-votes-in-november-midterms/

[Enduro]

The Green papers provides some excellent analysis

Some highlights for house:

Libertarian+ 84 candidates    723957votes   0.81%   $235,338 spent per FEC
Green + 5   candidates    63966  0.05%   $21,996
Working Class 8       52,446   0.05%   $1,061
LMN 4       46,453   0.05%   $39,746
Constitution+ 11.  40249   0.05%   $35000
United Utah   Other Third Party   2       29000   0.02%   $120,090
Socialist Workers Party   Other Third Party   3       14,270   0.01%   


Senate:
Libertarian   Libertarian   20       678,224   0.90%   $324,701
Green+   Green   4       83000   0.11%   $160,013
Democratic-Nonpartisan League   Democratic   1       59,804   0.08%   $92,623
No Party Affiliation   Independent   2       49,194   0.07%   $76,235
Progressive Party of Oregon   Other Third Party   1       31,648   0.04%   
Keystone   Other Third Party   1       26,217   0.03%   
LaRouche   Other Third Party   1       25,707   0.03%   $310,861
Constitution   Constitution   2       23,005   0.03%   $3,140
Pacific Green   Green   1       19,937   0.03%   
Unity   Other Third Party   1       15,800   0.02%   
Independent American   Other Third Party   2       15,244   0.02%   
None of these candidates   Others   1       12,077   0.02%   
Approval Voting   Other Third Party   1       11,074   0.01%   
Aloha 'Āina   Other Third Party   1       2,189   0.00%   
Green Mountain   Other Third Party   1       1,569   0.00%   

Governor:
Libertarian   Libertarian   24       652,159   0.79%
Green   Green   4       75,558   0.09%
Legal Marijuana Now   Other Third Party   1       29,435   0.04%
Grassroots - Legalize Cannabis   Other Third Party   1       22,604   0.03%
American Constitution   Constitution   1       21,120   0.03%
Keystone   Other Third Party   1       20,290   0.02%
Independence-Alliance   Other Third Party   1       18,156   0.02%
Constitution+   3.             28000   0.03%
Working Class   Independent   1       15,072   0.02%
Liberation   Other Third Party   1       8,154   0.01%
Socialist Workers Party   Other Third Party   1       7,240   0.01%
Unity   Other Third Party   1       6,388   0.01%
Natural Law   Other Third Party   1       4,954   0.01%

Rough math was applied and I combined totals for the big three if they aligned with local partners.

Cool statistics; I'm a bit disappointed, but not surprised that we didn't manage to cross 1 million votes in any category.

[PSOL]

It’s demonstrably harder to get on the ballot in 2024 than in 2020 for prez

The mods should merge all Kanye threads over here. La Riva is a more relevant political figure than Ye, who will demonstrably get less of the popular vote this time around.

[beaver2.0]

I have no information to add in this post but thank you to PSOL for keeping this thread alive and keeping us informed on the doings of some of our country's parties.

[PSOL]

I have no information to add in this post but thank you to PSOL for keeping this thread alive and keeping us informed on the doings of some of our country's parties.

I should really make a militia/far right, Left wing, and labor general on General—but I’m lazy to start it. Going over that would be way too difficult and would possibly be counterproductive to my goals.

Here I cover everyone because, well, somebody has to somewhere on the internet as an archivist

[PSOL]

Another look on finances

From these numbers we see that the Constitution Party has about 40% of the resources of the Green Party, while the Libertarian National Committee has about twelve times the financial resources of the Green Party.

[Enduro]

I have no information to add in this post but thank you to PSOL for keeping this thread alive and keeping us informed on the doings of some of our country's parties.

PSOL is a national treasure

[Continential]

Former Libertarian candidate Chase Oliver is thinking of running for President - and he seems to be a moderate libertarian.

[MichaelM24]

I see this hasn't been active since December 2022, but as a third party voter, I thought I'd add some more candidates currently running.

For Libertarians, I'm seeing a handful of 'major' candidates thus far:

1) Joe Exotic
--In 2016, he ran for president as independent, getting 962 votes
--In 2018, he ran in the Libertarian primary for Oklahoma governor, getting 18.7% (3rd place). He was censured by the Libertarian Party of Oklahoma during the campaign, from my understanding.

2) Jacob Hornberger
--In 2020, he ran in the Libertarian primary for president, and was the front-runner for a time, only to lose favor as Amash jumped into the race, and eventually lost to Dr. Jo Jorgensen.

3) Lars Mapstead

4) Mike ter Maat
--In 2022, he ran in U.S. House Florida District 20, getting 395 total votes (0.7%; 3rd place)

5) Chase Oliver
--From my understanding, he's formed an exploratory committee, but hasn't officially announced.
--In 2022, he ran in the United States Senate race in Georgia, getting 2.07% (81,365 total votes)


American Solidarity Party

-- Seven people have announced their intent to receive the Party's nomination (done by convention)
-- All seven candidates have interviews up on ASP's YouTube
-- Two of these seven candidates have ran for office in Indiana, which, as a Hoosier, I found interesting

1) Jacqueline Abernathy
--In 2022, she ran in the Texas Gubernatorial race as a write-in, receiving 1,243 votes (5th place, 0.0%

2) Larry Johnson
--In 2022, he attempted a run in the Pennsylvania Senate race as a Democrat, but was disqualified from appearing on the primary ballot.

3) Erskine Levi Jr.
--In 2022, he ran in the U.S. House California District 31 primary as a write-in, receiving a total of 17 votes.

4) Mark J. Powell
--In 2020, he ran in the Democratic primary for US. House Indiana District 9, getting second place with 19.9% (9,872 votes).

5) Joe Schriner
--In 2004, he got 142 votes in his run for president (had write-in access in Maryland, Ohio, Utah, and Idaho)
--In 2008, he got 82 votes in his run for president (had write-in access in Ohio, Minnesota, and Maryland)
--In 2012, he got 0 recorded votes in his run for president (despite write-in access in Montana and West Virginia)
--In 2016, he got 75 votes in his run for president (write-in access in nine states - 62 of these votes came from Ohio)
--In 2020, he got 13 votes in his run for president (he had write-in access in only Indiana, which is where he got these 13 votes)


6) Peter Sonski
--Seems to be an elected member of a school board in Connecticut

7) Mike Vick
-- In 2020, he was the Democratic nominee for Indiana State House District 29, getting 34% (14,228 votes)


Prohibition Party
-- Two people (to my knowledge) have announced their intent to receive the Party's nomination (done by convention)

1) Zack ‘Strength’ Kusnir
--somewhat well-known for his support of the Keto diet, and is also a former football player. He has over 43,000 Twitter followers, and so has a wider platform than many who have sought out the Prohibition nomination.

2) Michael Wood
-- a former CEO, and active in the party, having been "elected to the Prohibition National Committee and the Executive Committee of the Prohibition Party."


There are multiple parties that, to my knowledge, don't have notable candidates running (or having announced intent):

1) Green Party
2) Constitution Party
3) Party for Socialism and Liberation (PSL)
4) Socialist Workers Party (SWP)
5) Socialist Equality Party (SEP)
6) Socialist Party USA (SPUSA) *endorsed Green Party nominee Howie Hawkins in 2020*
7) Workers World Party (WWP)
Socialist Action *Ran Jeff Macker in 2016 - 15 write-in votes in NY*
9) Freedom Socialist Party (FSP) *Hasn't ran presidential candidate since 2012; Stephen Durham, who got 117 votes); critically endorsed Socialist Action in both 2016 and 2020*
10) Working Class Party *Not sure if they intend to run presidential candidate*
11) Unity Party
12) Alliance Party
13) Approval Voting

We do know the Forward Party has confirmed they don't intent to run a presidential candidate for 2024.

Please let me know what candidates I may be missing. If I run into other names that might be worth a mention, I'll post them here.

[SnowLabrador]

By the sound of it, there won't be much third-party voting at the presidential level in 2024. Who's heard of any of these people?

[MichaelM24]

By the sound of it, there won't be much third-party voting at the presidential level in 2024. Who's heard of any of these people?

I would expect third party total vote counds to be about the same as in 2020, if not a little higher, so while no doubt a small amount of people, given I'm likely one of them, I thought it worth mentioning.

True, many of the names listed are smaller, but they're also from smaller parties (such as the American Solidarity Party and the Prohibition Party), so I expect once the Libertarian primaries commence, not to mention the Green Party primaries, some more attention may fall on them.

Even if attention never does fall on them, I think it's still worth knowing your options (naturally, of course, depending on each candidates' ballot access).

[TimeUnit2027]

If Amash wants,than propably it is him,but if he didn't most likely candidate is Chase Oliver
Though i know little a bout who is exactly running

[MichaelM24]

Any thoughts on the Libertarian nominee? Will it be a nobody like in 2020, or could someone like Amash get in?

All things considered, I thought Jo Jorgensen did decent in 2020. We all knew there was no way she could match Gary Johnson's 2016 results, and she got almost 60,000 more votes (.19%) than Johnson's 2012 run.

And she may have been unlikely - I think many Libertarians were expecting Jacob Hornberger to be the nominee, or hoping for Arvin Vohra or Adam Kokesh. To be fair, though, Jorgensen was the VP nominee in 1996, so she wasn't exactly a nobody, in my view.

Amash, if he runs, could take it. I know some Libertarians don't necessarily care for him, but there's no doubt he has the name recognition. Chase Oliver isn't a bad bet, and I do think Mike ter Maat's interesting, but it's also fair to say that only around four have announced so far, and in 2020, around twenty candidates ran, so we've not seen the majority of names they'll put forward.

[PSOL]

Making this be brief but the main trends we are seeing are that Libertarian infighting and desertion are really harming the party at large. The statewide defections where they are losing ballot access have stopped but the donor money and membership dropping hasn’t. A shame stateboiler is in the muck of this to be unable to let us know of his insights.

The prohibition party has shifted considerably left after a transgender lesbian joined the party. They’ve become pro-choice and shifted generally to the center or left on all issues aside from their namesake.

Alliance has petered out

The constitution party (Blankensh!t) has purged the most relevant statewide party to trade in with the AIP whom are now its official California branch.

The Green party is in an incredibly awkward position with Hawkins being the main “left” figurehead of an Ukraine Solidarity League. People on the high up are not happy about it and that this comes after the resignation of the GNC floor leader and disassociation from the American-continent wide Green party conference isn’t showing good signs. All the while the WCP, PSL, and more socialist organizations seem to be on the up and up for this election. The primaries for P&F are going to either be a dud or especially rough.

Kanye’s campaign, as I predicted, has collapsed. Fuentes has been replaced by Milo and the fact that y’all don’t care and have been obsessing over the witch of Endor proves just how irrelevant it all was.

The ASP has held their fourth and last primary debate to choose a candidate. I am not able to have the time to watch it, but regardless any ASP candidate will do well. I expect they and the PSL are the only third party or independent ticket to cross over 100k aside from the libertarians and greens.

Reform is holding their convention June 15th.

I am a little skeptical to say the least that Socialist Alternative will endorse the Greens again, but it is the highest likelihood outside of running alone.

https://twitter.com/pslnational/status/1660695997956194307?cxt=HHwWhoC84cON_YsuA...

Gloria is probably going to run again unless something crazy happens

Afroman is having a lot of fun it seems, very much the vermin supreme of this cycle. I’ll be adding his website soon.

[MichaelM24]

Wanted to reply to a couple of individual pieces of your post. Deeply appreciate the updates on the ongoings of third parties.

Making this be brief but the main trends we are seeing are that Libertarian infighting and desertion are really harming the party at large. The statewide defections where they are losing ballot access have stopped but the donor money and membership dropping hasn’t. A shame stateboiler is in the muck of this to be unable to let us know of his insights.

Just earlier today (or yesterday, I guess), I went through the FEC filings of Libertarians (20 total), and only six really stood out (Chase Oliver, Jacob Hornberger, Lars Mapstead, Joshua Rodriguez, Mike ter Maat, and Illinois Secretary of State 2022 nominee Jon Stewart).

Save Hornberger and Oliver, none of the names are particularly notable, I feel. Jorgensen was at least the Libertarian VP nominee; sure, people know Chase Oliver from his Senate race in Georgia, but overall, the field seems rather weak.

The prohibition party has shifted considerably left after a transgender lesbian joined the party. They’ve become pro-choice and shifted generally to the center or left on all issues aside from their namesake.

I know that Michael Wood was nominated, but I have to admit that past that annoucement, I haven't looked up his campaign or the state of Prohibition's ballot access (which has been weak for decades).

The Green party is in an incredibly awkward position with Hawkins being the main “left” figurehead of an Ukraine Solidarity League. People on the high up are not happy about it and that this comes after the resignation of the GNC floor leader and disassociation from the American-continent wide Green party conference isn’t showing good signs. All the while the WCP, PSL, and more socialist organizations seem to be on the up and up for this election. The primaries for P&F are going to either be a dud or especially rough.

I have a family member who is a national delegate for the Green Party (and to be forthcoming, I voted for Jill Stein in 2016 and Howie Hawkins in 2020), and the contention over Hawkins has very much split the party. I believe that they've had mutliple votes that ended around 50/50 due to the Ukraine issue.

I've not seen anything from the socialist parties (WWP, SEP, SPUSA, Socialist Action, FSP, PSL, and SWP), but I'd be curious to see which of them decides to put a candidate forward. If I recall, the FSP hasn't run a presidental candidate since 2012 with Stephen Durham (and he did have write-in access in 16 states according to Green Papers, which isn't shabby).

The ASP has held their fourth and last primary debate to choose a candidate. I am not able to have the time to watch it, but regardless any ASP candidate will do well. I expect they and the PSL are the only third party or independent ticket to cross over 100k aside from the libertarians and greens.

I watched the first, second, and final ASP debates. Disappointed that Mark Powell and Mike Vick dropped out (Vick in particular was interesting, as he entered the party from the left), but some decent moments.

I'd suspect that either Peter Sonski or Dr. Jacqueline Abernathy will be nominated; Dr. Larry Johnson did well in the final debate, but didn't impress me overall, whereas neither Erskine Levi Jr. or Joe Schriner stood out in any way (well, Schriner did, but I just don't see the membership nominating him).

[PSOL]

Hawkins has always been a problem to certain members of the Green establishment, most of it for bull•••• or that he’s a socialist, but now he’s getting especially contentious. The man does not toe the popular or party line and goes his own way, which did wonders in his prior races and getting the Green party to change courses.

Of course, no one actually has the ability to challenge him in a contested primary; Jill Stein has burned her bridges and is a sourpuss, Baraka seems much more older than Howie with none of his charm, and everyone else has either left or been kicked out. The only serious challengers would probably be Margaret Flowers or Kimberly.

Something strange is happening with the P&F twitter account where they haven’t posted in months and not frequently since the California elections. Their website is particularly inactive. Something is amiss here and I smell drama.

Anyway, I have no doubt that the ASP nominee will be Jacqueline Abernathy.

[Ⓐnarchy in the ☭☭☭P!]

The LP Presidential nomination after the Mises Caucus takeover has basically three lanes: anti MC, pro MC and moderate. Chase Oliver is probably going to be the candidate of the first, comedian and Joe Rogan regular Dave Smith is probably going to run as the Mises Caucus candidate and if Amash ran he'd fall right in between the two.

The problem for him is that the MC won just under 70% of the vote at the last national convention, and since most of the anti-MC members either left or tried to break off from the national party their dominance of the delegation has only increased since then. As long as Smith runs even Amash could have a hard time winning so he probably won't even try.

[PSOL]

I’m pretty sure the vast majority of libertarian party members have soured on Amash, and given the expulsion, resignation, and noncompliance of anti-MC people from the party, the MC candidate should win. Still, doing so means that there will be pushback by the political establishment moreso than in past elections and confusion on even if the MC will run in all the states they have ballot access for or go for a safe state strategy that has killed prior movements. Expect even more splits and desertions as the campaign progresses

How have the different caucuses reacted to the MC takeover anyway? The pragmatic caucus is out and Vermin is fuming, but there’s no information on what the LPRadicals and ancaps are reacting.

[PSOL]

Ok, since Jared is off to the pasture Libertarian party stuff is alright to post here. I will start posting links tomorrow.

Peter Sonski is the ASP prez nominee by 52 preference votes

[beaver2.0]

Cornel West is now running for president for the People's Party. Discuss with maps.

https://twitter.com/CornelWest/status/1665743761551548416?cxt=HHwWgIDToYXI9J0uAA...