European Parliament Election: May 23-26, 2019

[Velasco]

Eh, while Más Madrid did incorporate environmentalist elements and was successful, Compromís also did that (with more credibility and longer running than MM) and saw a decrease in the Valencian elections, a really bad result in the general elections and only held Valencia's mayor by like 250 votes I think.

This reply fits better in the Spanish elections thread; but a couple of things

1) You forget that Manuela Carmena was elected mayor of Madrid in 2015 and implemented Madrid Central and other environmentalist measures. MM was the Carmena thing too.

2) The result of Compromis in regional elections was not so bad, given the circumstances (coincidence with general elections and bandwagon effect for PSOE). Actually it was much better than the general election result (16% to 6%). With both elections taking place simultaneously, it's obvious there was dual voting: many Compromis voters in regional elections voted UP (and PSOE to a lesser extent) in general elections. The local election results in the city of Valencia were good for Compromis (+1 councilor). Despite Compromis and PSOE increased, the mayoralty was at risk because UP collapsed and didn't reach the 5% threshold.

More on topic, the CPE list incorporating Compromis got 1 32% nationwide in EP elections and 8.36% in the Valencian Country

[LabourJersey]

The list I voted for (Hamon's Génération.s) won 3.3%. That's better than I expected honestly.

And in Italy?

It's illegal to vote in two different countries for European elections.

If I'd voted in Italy I guess I would have voted for the "united" leftist list, which got 1.7% (which is a stunningly bad result even by the standards of the Italian left). Or possibly Bonino's list to own the Euroskeptics, although she's way to my right economically (it got 3%).

It's been pretty disastrous across the board for the True Left - Melenchon's bunch humbled, Podemos crushed (Iglesias has got to be thinking of resigning, no?), Die Linke recedes, Sinn Fein wiped out, Dutch Socialists gone, Austrians, Polish and Italians nowhere to be seen, Syriza hit hard, Czech Communists on death's door etc.

How did Sinn Fein get wiped out? Their NI member retained her seat, and the estimates for the ROI suggest they went down from 19.5% to about 13%--- not really a wipe out

[America Needs R'hllor]

Amazing result. Huge PiS, Confederacy out (which presumably means they'll be in shambles and fighting each other long before the parliamentary election too).

https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Polish-prime-minister-equates-returning-Jewish-property-to-Nazi-victory-590112

REALLY?!

[YL]

Only Dublin has any counts declared yet in Ireland, north or south.

Count 7, 4 seats to be elected but the last candidate elected won't take their seat unless/until Brexit happens, quota 72,790

Cuffe (Green) 64,853
Fitzgerald (FG) 59,448
Andrews (FF) 51,997
Daly (Ind 4 Change) 43,400
Boylan (SF) 40,045
Gannon (Soc Dem) 21,002
White (Lab) 18,942
Durkan (FG) 16,733
Brien (PBP) 11,730
Higgins (Ind) 11,434
O'Doherty (Ind) 8,661
Gilroy (Ind) 8,511
Harrold (PBP) 5,607 eliminated

Still quite a lot of eliminations to go.  I assume Cuffe and Fitzgerald will be in and it may be between Daly and Andrews for who is elected third and fourth.

(RTE results link, which covers Northern Ireland as well: https://www.rte.ie/news/elections-2019/results/#/european )

Now up to 11 counts and still no-one elected.

Cuffe (Green) 69,282
Fitzgerald (FG) 61,528
Andrews (FF) 53,980
Daly (Ind 4 Change) 48,559
Boylan (SF) 42,873
Gannon (SD) 24,051
White (Lab) 20,905
Durkan (FG) 17,480
Brien (PBP) 14,358 eliminated

Cuffe and Fitzgerald should be elected fairly soon now, I would think.  Daly has pulled away a bit from Boylan and narrowed the gap on Andrews.

Cuffe made it on Durkan's elimination; Fitzgerald didn't quite, but then did make it on the next count after White was eliminated.  So 1 Green, 1 FG elected, and the count 14 figures are

Cuffe (Green) 73,028 elected
Fitzgerald (FG) 78,580 elected
Andrews (FF) 59,619
Daly (Ind 4 Change) 55,752
Boylan (SF) 46,704
Gannon (Soc Dem) 29,720

Cuffe's and Fitzgerald's surpluses can't save Gannon, so he'll be eliminated next.  I suspect Daly will indeed overtake Andrews to get the third seat, and Andrews will get the possible fourth seat.

[YL]

Ireland's South constituency after 4 counts.

Quota 119,866.  5 seats, but the last elected not to take their seat unless/until Brexit happens.

Kelly (FG) 118,773
Kelleher (FF) 84,238
Wallace (Ind 4 Change) 82,335
Ní Riada (SF) 79,837
O'Sullivan (Green) 76,373
Byrne (FF) 69,316
Clune (FG) 64,763
Doyle (FG) 38,804
Nunan (Lab) 22,251
Wallace (PBP) 15,207
Cahill (Ind) 10,883
O'Flynn (Ind) 9,990
Minehan (Ind) 9,855
Gardner (Ind) 9,436
Heaney (Ind) 7,738
Brennan (Ind) 4,791
O'Loughlin (Identity Ireland) 3,919
Worthington (Ind) 3,552
Fitzgerald (Ind) 3,300
Ryan-Purcell (Ind) 3,067 eliminated

I assume 1 FG, 1 FF, then a four-way battle for two/three seats between SF, Green, Ind 4 Change and a second FG?  Transfers probably favour Green and disfavour SF?

[Anzeigenhauptmeister]

[Gustaf]

Amazing result. Huge PiS, Confederacy out (which presumably means they'll be in shambles and fighting each other long before the parliamentary election too).

https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Polish-prime-minister-equates-returning-Jewish-property-to-Nazi-victory-590112

REALLY?!

DavidB tends to only support Jews if they're threatened by pesky brown people. Surely that isn't news to you.

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Swedish Liberals at 4.01% currently. But given where the vote is coming from they seem on track to make it in so far.

[Anzeigenhauptmeister]

Interesting: Catalonian politician Carles Puigdemont, who had already been in custody in my home state of Schleswig-Holstein, but eventually been remanded on bail by the state's constitutional court, has won a seat for his Partit Demòcrata Europeu Català. However, he's living in exile in Belgium, and in order to be allowed to assume his seat, he has to pledge allegiance to the Spanish constitution. In Madrid! But should he be going to travel there, he would be immediately arrested for rebellion. He's being a bit in a quandary right now... 🤷‍♂️

[Walmart_shopper]

Amazing result. Huge PiS, Confederacy out (which presumably means they'll be in shambles and fighting each other long before the parliamentary election too).

https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Polish-prime-minister-equates-returning-Jewish-property-to-Nazi-victory-590112

REALLY?!

I actually agree with the Polish guy. I find Israeli outrage at Poland lately to be almost fainting-couch worthy. Especially coming from an almost unapologetically racist government like ours.

[America Needs R'hllor]

Amazing result. Huge PiS, Confederacy out (which presumably means they'll be in shambles and fighting each other long before the parliamentary election too).

https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Polish-prime-minister-equates-returning-Jewish-property-to-Nazi-victory-590112

REALLY?!

I actually agree with the Polish guy. I find Israeli outrage at Poland lately to be almost fainting-couch worthy. Especially coming from an almost unapologetically racist government like ours.

The authoritarian PiS government has shown to, again and again, engage in foul rhetoric on the Holocaust and Jews. Comparing compensating Jews for their lost property to a "Hitler victory" is not even trying to hide their antisemitism.

[Keep Calm and ...]

Germany:
Clickable election atlas:
https://wahlatlas.net/euw/19/

France:
Clickable map with detailed results on local level:
https://www.lemonde.fr/les-decodeurs/article/2019/05/26/elections-europeennes-les-resultats-en-france_5467599_4355770.html

[DavidB.]

Amazing result. Huge PiS, Confederacy out (which presumably means they'll be in shambles and fighting each other long before the parliamentary election too).

https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Polish-prime-minister-equates-returning-Jewish-property-to-Nazi-victory-590112

REALLY?!

I actually agree with the Polish guy. I find Israeli outrage at Poland lately to be almost fainting-couch worthy. Especially coming from an almost unapologetically racist government like ours.

The authoritarian PiS government has shown to, again and again, engage in foul rhetoric on the Holocaust and Jews. Comparing compensating Jews for their lost property to a "Hitler victory" is not even trying to hide their antisemitism.

As if Foreign Affairs Minister (!) Yisrael Katz's statement generalizing all Poles as antisemites was acceptable.

The diplomatic conflict between Poland and Israel is highly unfortunate, but in essence I think Poland is right: forcing 'compensation' for something that cannot possibly be compensated from a nation that, often forgotten (which Poles don't need any reminding of), was one of the main victims of Nazism and Communism too, is wrong. I wouldn't use PiS' language but I also wouldn't use Likud's language towards Poles and yet I'm happy Likud won the Israeli election too, despite my problems with them. It is what it is.

[Andrea]

Interesting: Catalonian politician Carles Puigdemont, who had already been in custody in my home state of Schleswig-Holstein, but eventually been remanded on bail by the state's constitutional court, has won a seat for his Partit Demòcrata Europeu Català. However, he's living in exile in Belgium, and in order to be allowed to assume his seat, he has to pledge allegiance to the Spanish constitution. In Madrid! But should he be going to travel there, he would be immediately arrested for rebellion. He's being a bit in a quandary right now... 🤷‍♂️

Also Oriol Junqueras has been elected for ECR. Junqueras is in jail. He will likely be granted permission to leave jail and go to fill the papers needed to become an MEP

However, then things get unclear.
He and others did the same last week for the parliamentary seats. However, as they are accused of rebellion, they were then immediately  temporarily  suspended as MPs
It is apparently not clear if this law also applied to European Parliament.
Another aspect under consideration is when immunity given by being MEP starts. Apparently it starts when they fill some forms in July in Strasbourg. Will they grant him to leave jail for a one day trip to Strasbourg as they granted him to go to Spanish Parliament to fill the paperwork? Not necesseraly.

[America Needs R'hllor]

Amazing result. Huge PiS, Confederacy out (which presumably means they'll be in shambles and fighting each other long before the parliamentary election too).

https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Polish-prime-minister-equates-returning-Jewish-property-to-Nazi-victory-590112

REALLY?!

I actually agree with the Polish guy. I find Israeli outrage at Poland lately to be almost fainting-couch worthy. Especially coming from an almost unapologetically racist government like ours.

The authoritarian PiS government has shown to, again and again, engage in foul rhetoric on the Holocaust and Jews. Comparing compensating Jews for their lost property to a "Hitler victory" is not even trying to hide their antisemitism.

As if Foreign Affairs Minister (!) Yisrael Katz's statement generalizing all Poles as antisemites was acceptable.

The diplomatic conflict between Poland and Israel is highly unfortunate, but in essence I think Poland is right: forcing 'compensation' for something that cannot possibly compensated from a nation that, often forgotten, was one of the main victims of Nazism and Communism too, is wrong. I wouldn't use PiS' language but I also wouldn't use Likud's language towards Poles and yet I'm happy Likud won the Israeli election too, despite my problems with them. It is what it is.

I guess the zionist left can legitimately support Ilhan Omar and her sort now. Her rhetoric is hardly worse than PiS', and she didn't pass a law limiting Jewish freedom of speech.

[YL]

Cuffe made it on Durkan's elimination; Fitzgerald didn't quite, but then did make it on the next count after White was eliminated.  So 1 Green, 1 FG elected, and the count 14 figures are

Cuffe (Green) 73,028 elected
Fitzgerald (FG) 78,580 elected
Andrews (FF) 59,619
Daly (Ind 4 Change) 55,752
Boylan (SF) 46,704
Gannon (Soc Dem) 29,720

Cuffe's and Fitzgerald's surpluses can't save Gannon, so he'll be eliminated next.  I suspect Daly will indeed overtake Andrews to get the third seat, and Andrews will get the possible fourth seat.

There is a fuss about this.  There are four seats to be filled, but one of them (the last to be elected) only exists after Brexit.  In a normal four seat STV election, Boylan would be next eliminated after Gannon (almost certainly) and that would just leave four candidates, who would be deemed elected with no more counting needed.  But because the order of election matters, Boylan's transfers could make a difference, and so some are arguing that they should be transferred.  It doesn't seem to be entirely clear what the legal situation is.

[Keep Calm and ...]

Germany:
Clickable election maps:
https://wahlatlas.net/euw/19/
http://www.election.de/cgi-bin/showres_ew19.pl

France:
Clickable map with detailed results on local level:
https://www.lemonde.fr/les-decodeurs/article/2019/05/26/elections-europeennes-les-resultats-en-france_5467599_4355770.html

[Walmart_shopper]

Amazing result. Huge PiS, Confederacy out (which presumably means they'll be in shambles and fighting each other long before the parliamentary election too).

https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Polish-prime-minister-equates-returning-Jewish-property-to-Nazi-victory-590112

REALLY?!

I actually agree with the Polish guy. I find Israeli outrage at Poland lately to be almost fainting-couch worthy. Especially coming from an almost unapologetically racist government like ours.

The authoritarian PiS government has shown to, again and again, engage in foul rhetoric on the Holocaust and Jews. Comparing compensating Jews for their lost property to a "Hitler victory" is not even trying to hide their antisemitism.

As if Foreign Affairs Minister (!) Yisrael Katz's statement generalizing all Poles as antisemites was acceptable.

The diplomatic conflict between Poland and Israel is highly unfortunate, but in essence I think Poland is right: forcing 'compensation' for something that cannot possibly compensated from a nation that, often forgotten, was one of the main victims of Nazism and Communism too, is wrong. I wouldn't use PiS' language but I also wouldn't use Likud's language towards Poles and yet I'm happy Likud won the Israeli election too, despite my problems with them. It is what it is.

I guess the zionist left can legitimately support Ilhan Omar and her sort now. Her rhetoric is hardly worse than PiS', and she didn't pass a law limiting Jewish freedom of speech.

What's wrong with Ilhan Omar? I think Israelis' tendency to crassly politicize the Holocaust is contemptible, and whether the right or left is willing to point that out then good for them. Polish revisionism is laughable and somewhat pathetic, but Israel engages in revisionism with just as much gusto with regards to its own founding. I think that simply shows that Polish and Israeli democracy and self-perception is deeply immature, which makes sense given how young they are.

[DavidB.]

I guess the zionist left can legitimately support Ilhan Omar and her sort now. Her rhetoric is hardly worse than PiS', and she didn't pass a law limiting Jewish freedom of speech.

Poland not being willing to pay tens of millions (or even more) in reparations isn't the same as Omar questioning Israel's right to exist.

[America Needs R'hllor]

I guess the zionist left can legitimately support Ilhan Omar and her sort now. Her rhetoric is hardly worse than PiS', and she didn't pass a law limiting Jewish freedom of speech.

Poland not being willing to pay tens of millions (or even more) in reparations isn't the same as Omar questioning Israel's right to exist.

Comparing a debatable proposal (that I don't necessarily agree with, though many countries in eastern Europe bear a lot of responsibility they still need to account for, even if with words only) to Hitler's victory is worse than her dodgy comment attacking AIPAC with a classic antisemitic trope. Throwing people into jails for speaking about the Holocaust is not just a severe attack on the freedom of speech that people seem to be willing to ignore in these types of authoritarian governments, but is also a worse attack on Jews than any of Omar's mere rhetoric. She's just an example, of course. Far-right governments in eastern Europe have too long played a double game of legitimization by the Israeli right while encouraging and emboldening the worst antisemitic parts of their societies.

[YL]

Cuffe made it on Durkan's elimination; Fitzgerald didn't quite, but then did make it on the next count after White was eliminated.  So 1 Green, 1 FG elected, and the count 14 figures are

Cuffe (Green) 73,028 elected
Fitzgerald (FG) 78,580 elected
Andrews (FF) 59,619
Daly (Ind 4 Change) 55,752
Boylan (SF) 46,704
Gannon (Soc Dem) 29,720

Cuffe's and Fitzgerald's surpluses can't save Gannon, so he'll be eliminated next.  I suspect Daly will indeed overtake Andrews to get the third seat, and Andrews will get the possible fourth seat.

There is a fuss about this.  There are four seats to be filled, but one of them (the last to be elected) only exists after Brexit.  In a normal four seat STV election, Boylan would be next eliminated after Gannon (almost certainly) and that would just leave four candidates, who would be deemed elected with no more counting needed.  But because the order of election matters, Boylan's transfers could make a difference, and so some are arguing that they should be transferred.  It doesn't seem to be entirely clear what the legal situation is.

It's now reported that count 15 has put Daly ahead of Andrews, so this is probably not going to matter, but they are going to transfer Boylan's vote anyway.  (The belief was that if Andrews were still ahead after that count Boylan's transfers might change that.)

So Dublin looks like 1 Green, 1 FG, 1 Ind4Change, with 1 FF to be added if/after Brexit happens.

Midlands-North-West and South counts are still slowly eliminating the also-rans.

[DavidB.]

I guess the zionist left can legitimately support Ilhan Omar and her sort now. Her rhetoric is hardly worse than PiS', and she didn't pass a law limiting Jewish freedom of speech.

Poland not being willing to pay tens of millions (or even more) in reparations isn't the same as Omar questioning Israel's right to exist.

Comparing a debatable proposal (that I don't necessarily agree with, though many countries in eastern Europe bear a lot of responsibility they still need to account for, even if with words only) to Hitler's victory is worse than her dodgy comment attacking AIPAC with a classic antisemitic trope. Throwing people into jails for speaking about the Holocaust is not just a severe attack on the freedom of speech that people seem to be willing to ignore in these types of authoritarian governments, but is also a worse attack on Jews than any of Omar's mere rhetoric. She's just an example, of course. Far-right governments in eastern Europe have too long played a double game of legitimization by the Israeli right while encouraging and emboldening the worst antisemitic parts of their societies.

Eastern European governments' poor choice of words doesn't endanger Jews, just like the Israeli government's poor choice of words doesn't endanger Poles. Omar and her fellow travelers' ambiguity on the legitimacy of Israel's existence does endanger Jews.

[America Needs R'hllor]

I guess the zionist left can legitimately support Ilhan Omar and her sort now. Her rhetoric is hardly worse than PiS', and she didn't pass a law limiting Jewish freedom of speech.

Poland not being willing to pay tens of millions (or even more) in reparations isn't the same as Omar questioning Israel's right to exist.

Comparing a debatable proposal (that I don't necessarily agree with, though many countries in eastern Europe bear a lot of responsibility they still need to account for, even if with words only) to Hitler's victory is worse than her dodgy comment attacking AIPAC with a classic antisemitic trope. Throwing people into jails for speaking about the Holocaust is not just a severe attack on the freedom of speech that people seem to be willing to ignore in these types of authoritarian governments, but is also a worse attack on Jews than any of Omar's mere rhetoric. She's just an example, of course. Far-right governments in eastern Europe have too long played a double game of legitimization by the Israeli right while encouraging and emboldening the worst antisemitic parts of their societies.

Eastern European governments' poor choice of words doesn't endanger Jews, just like the Israeli government's poor choice of words doesn't endanger Poles. Omar and her fellow travelers' ambiguity on the legitimacy of Israel's existence does endanger Jews.

Both are "just rhetoric". In my view, the sometimes ambiguous and sometimes blatant rhetoric of these governments does much more to endanger Jews by emboldening antisemites. It's not a coincidence that a lot of the antisemitic attacks in Europe are not just by immigrants, but by far-right thugs too.

[Velasco]

Isn't there another place to discuss that fascinating Polish-Israeli affair? I have an opinion of their respective governments too, but the topic here is EP elections.

[America Needs R'hllor]

Isn't there another place to discuss that fascinating Polish-Israeli affair? I have an opinion of their respective governments too, but the topic here is EP elections.

Yes, you're right, but the connection is support for far-right parties in the EP election. Internal discussions between Jews on these issues do tend to seem disconnected to others, because they veer to different and more all-encompassing topics In any case, I think we're done.

[YL]

Ireland's South constituency after 4 counts.

Quota 119,866.  5 seats, but the last elected not to take their seat unless/until Brexit happens.

Kelly (FG) 118,773
Kelleher (FF) 84,238
Wallace (Ind 4 Change) 82,335
Ní Riada (SF) 79,837
O'Sullivan (Green) 76,373
Byrne (FF) 69,316
Clune (FG) 64,763
Doyle (FG) 38,804
Nunan (Lab) 22,251
Wallace (PBP) 15,207
Cahill (Ind) 10,883
O'Flynn (Ind) 9,990
Minehan (Ind) 9,855
Gardner (Ind) 9,436
Heaney (Ind) 7,738
Brennan (Ind) 4,791
O'Loughlin (Identity Ireland) 3,919
Worthington (Ind) 3,552
Fitzgerald (Ind) 3,300
Ryan-Purcell (Ind) 3,067 eliminated

I assume 1 FG, 1 FF, then a four-way battle for two/three seats between SF, Green, Ind 4 Change and a second FG?  Transfers probably favour Green and disfavour SF?

Kelly (FG) was elected on count 9, with the candidates from Heaney downwards now eliminated.  The order of the candidates hasn't changed from above.

Dublin is confirmed: Cuffe (Green), Fitzgerald (FG), Daly (Ind4Change) get the three immediate seats; Andrews (FF) the pending fourth.