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« Reply #2925 on: November 08, 2018, 04:27:01 PM »





Also, within Broward County (posted by RI earlier):

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« Reply #2926 on: November 08, 2018, 04:28:31 PM »

yeah, looking at the votes, its so concentrated and so odd that I doubt its a ballot problem. Looks like things will get real heated in FL.
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« Reply #2927 on: November 08, 2018, 04:31:08 PM »


i wish scott won outright....

it hurts so much more in a heartbreaker
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« Reply #2928 on: November 08, 2018, 04:31:41 PM »


Yeah I think so too. Scott will call for an injunction of some sort.
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« Reply #2929 on: November 08, 2018, 04:32:58 PM »


Yeah I think so too. Scott will call for an injunction of some sort.

On what grounds?

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« Reply #2930 on: November 08, 2018, 04:33:19 PM »


Yeah I think so too. Scott will call for an injunction of some sort.

The supreme court will give Scott the victory in a vote 5-4
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« Reply #2931 on: November 08, 2018, 04:33:49 PM »

This obviously isn't going to happen, but imagine how much better for Democrats/worse for Republicans this election will look if Democrats end up with a net gain of 40 seats in the House and win all of FL-Sen, AZ-Sen, and GA-Gov. Maybe my memory is failing me, but I don't remember a post-election period when so many important races were still uncalled two days after the election (though obviously this doesn't compare to the 2000 presidential election).
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« Reply #2932 on: November 08, 2018, 04:34:10 PM »





Also, within Broward County (posted by RI earlier):



It is FL-24, where Frederica Wilson run unopposed
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« Reply #2933 on: November 08, 2018, 04:34:53 PM »

The time factor was an important part of the 2000 presidential recount controversy.  There was a need to get it resolved quickly since Florida's electoral votes would be decisive.  But that doesn't exist here, since there's plenty of precedent for a Senate recount to drag on long past the start of the new Congress.
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« Reply #2934 on: November 08, 2018, 04:37:28 PM »

This is probably a good time to recall this (in)famous Senate recount controversy: https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/minute/Closest_election_in_Senate_history.htm.
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« Reply #2935 on: November 08, 2018, 04:39:03 PM »

The time factor was an important part of the 2000 presidential recount controversy.  There was a need to get it resolved quickly since Florida's electoral votes would be decisive.  But that doesn't exist here, since there's plenty of precedent for a Senate recount to drag on long past the start of the new Congress.

Scott could go to the supreme court alleging that the prolongation of the uncertainty could cause social division and that there is no evidence of a massive error in favor of Nelson
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« Reply #2936 on: November 08, 2018, 04:46:38 PM »

Scott could go to the supreme court alleging that the prolongation of the uncertainty could cause social division and that there is no evidence of a massive error in favor of Nelson

That's not how any of it works at any level.
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« Reply #2937 on: November 08, 2018, 04:47:05 PM »

A couple notes about the undervote:

Nelson has 10,301 fewer votes in Broward County than Gillum
Scott has 10,647 fewer votes in Broward County than DeSantis

Also, Broward County, as far as I can tell, is not reporting any results on their site for the FL-24 race, but they are reporting results for the uncontested FL-20 race. As far as I can tell, there may not have even been a FL-24 slot on the ballot. CNN reports Hastings with 201,000+ votes in the FL-20 race, but 0 votes for Wilson in the FL-24 race.
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« Reply #2938 on: November 08, 2018, 04:47:54 PM »

I'm following Steve Kornacki's twitter account for updates on this and have found it useful.

As far as I can tell, there is uncertainty around whether the undervote in Broward is due to a machine error or due to human error caused by a poor ballot design in Florida's 24th congressional district.

My only question is whether this undervote is the "25K" we have been talking about or if it's a separate issue.
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« Reply #2939 on: November 08, 2018, 04:48:38 PM »

I'm following Steve Kornacki's twitter account for updates on this and have found it useful.

As far as I can tell, there is uncertainty around whether the remaining votes in Broward have been uncounted due to a machine error or due to human error caused by a poor ballot design in Florida's 24th congressional district.

My only question is whether this undercount is the 25K we have been talking about or if it's a separate issue.

It's the same thing, mostly.
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« Reply #2940 on: November 08, 2018, 04:49:10 PM »

Credit to the Buchanan voters for still being alive 18 years later. Wonder why they all decided to move to Broward?
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« Reply #2941 on: November 08, 2018, 04:49:18 PM »

A couple notes about the undervote:

Nelson has 10,301 fewer votes in Broward County than Gillum
Scott has 10,647 fewer votes in Broward County than DeSantis

Also, Broward County, as far as I can tell, is not reporting any results on their site for the FL-24 race, but they are reporting results for the uncontested FL-20 race. As far as I can tell, there may not have even been a FL-24 slot on the ballot. CNN reports Hastings with 201,000+ votes in the FL-20 race, but 0 votes for Wilson in the FL-24 race.

wait WHAT
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« Reply #2942 on: November 08, 2018, 04:50:24 PM »

A couple notes about the undervote:

Nelson has 10,301 fewer votes in Broward County than Gillum
Scott has 10,647 fewer votes in Broward County than DeSantis

Also, Broward County, as far as I can tell, is not reporting any results on their site for the FL-24 race, but they are reporting results for the uncontested FL-20 race. As far as I can tell, there may not have even been a FL-24 slot on the ballot. CNN reports Hastings with 201,000+ votes in the FL-20 race, but 0 votes for Wilson in the FL-24 race.

wait WHAT

There are 0 votes for Wilson because she wasn't on the ballot. She ran unopposed.
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« Reply #2943 on: November 08, 2018, 04:53:20 PM »

Wilson wasn't on the ballot and thus the only race in that far left corner on the ballot was the Senate race. People might have missed it since it's awkwardly placed on the ballot, which accounts for the undervote. That's the theory some are running with, but we don't know yet.
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« Reply #2944 on: November 08, 2018, 04:53:51 PM »

A couple notes about the undervote:

Nelson has 10,301 fewer votes in Broward County than Gillum
Scott has 10,647 fewer votes in Broward County than DeSantis

Also, Broward County, as far as I can tell, is not reporting any results on their site for the FL-24 race, but they are reporting results for the uncontested FL-20 race. As far as I can tell, there may not have even been a FL-24 slot on the ballot. CNN reports Hastings with 201,000+ votes in the FL-20 race, but 0 votes for Wilson in the FL-24 race.

wait WHAT

There are 0 votes for Wilson because she wasn't on the ballot. She ran unopposed.

Is that a Florida thing? Whenever there have been unopposed races when I've voted, the unopposed person was still on the ballot.
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« Reply #2945 on: November 08, 2018, 04:55:29 PM »

A couple notes about the undervote:

Nelson has 10,301 fewer votes in Broward County than Gillum
Scott has 10,647 fewer votes in Broward County than DeSantis

Also, Broward County, as far as I can tell, is not reporting any results on their site for the FL-24 race, but they are reporting results for the uncontested FL-20 race. As far as I can tell, there may not have even been a FL-24 slot on the ballot. CNN reports Hastings with 201,000+ votes in the FL-20 race, but 0 votes for Wilson in the FL-24 race.

wait WHAT

There are 0 votes for Wilson because she wasn't on the ballot. She ran unopposed.

Is that a Florida thing? Whenever there have been unopposed races when I've voted, the unopposed person was still on the ballot.

Same. Half my ballot was people running unopposed but with a write in option underneath.
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« Reply #2946 on: November 08, 2018, 04:56:00 PM »

A couple notes about the undervote:

Nelson has 10,301 fewer votes in Broward County than Gillum
Scott has 10,647 fewer votes in Broward County than DeSantis

Also, Broward County, as far as I can tell, is not reporting any results on their site for the FL-24 race, but they are reporting results for the uncontested FL-20 race. As far as I can tell, there may not have even been a FL-24 slot on the ballot. CNN reports Hastings with 201,000+ votes in the FL-20 race, but 0 votes for Wilson in the FL-24 race.

wait WHAT

There are 0 votes for Wilson because she wasn't on the ballot. She ran unopposed.

Is that a Florida thing? Whenever there have been unopposed races when I've voted, the unopposed person was still on the ballot.

I believe unopposed races here only appear on the ballot if there is a valid write-in candidate in the race. I could be wrong, but that's my recollection of the law.
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« Reply #2947 on: November 08, 2018, 04:56:03 PM »

A couple notes about the undervote:

Nelson has 10,301 fewer votes in Broward County than Gillum
Scott has 10,647 fewer votes in Broward County than DeSantis

Also, Broward County, as far as I can tell, is not reporting any results on their site for the FL-24 race, but they are reporting results for the uncontested FL-20 race. As far as I can tell, there may not have even been a FL-24 slot on the ballot. CNN reports Hastings with 201,000+ votes in the FL-20 race, but 0 votes for Wilson in the FL-24 race.

wait WHAT

There are 0 votes for Wilson because she wasn't on the ballot. She ran unopposed.

Is that a Florida thing? Whenever there have been unopposed races when I've voted, the unopposed person was still on the ballot.

"As noted by @oiler, Rep. Alcee Hastings, whose district is based in Broward, also had no opponent, but his race *was* on the ballot. However, a candidate *did* qualify to run write-in against him, and FL requires the ballot list the race in these cases"

Quoted from twitter -- but again this is a theory
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« Reply #2948 on: November 08, 2018, 05:12:54 PM »

A couple notes about the undervote:

Nelson has 10,301 fewer votes in Broward County than Gillum
Scott has 10,647 fewer votes in Broward County than DeSantis

Also, Broward County, as far as I can tell, is not reporting any results on their site for the FL-24 race, but they are reporting results for the uncontested FL-20 race. As far as I can tell, there may not have even been a FL-24 slot on the ballot. CNN reports Hastings with 201,000+ votes in the FL-20 race, but 0 votes for Wilson in the FL-24 race.

wait WHAT

There are 0 votes for Wilson because she wasn't on the ballot. She ran unopposed.

Is that a Florida thing? Whenever there have been unopposed races when I've voted, the unopposed person was still on the ballot.

"As noted by @oiler, Rep. Alcee Hastings, whose district is based in Broward, also had no opponent, but his race *was* on the ballot. However, a candidate *did* qualify to run write-in against him, and FL requires the ballot list the race in these cases"

Quoted from twitter -- but again this is a theory

Yes, but...10%?

I feel like it’s more likely that the placement for the race was weird and thus weren’t read by some of the machines.
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« Reply #2949 on: November 08, 2018, 05:14:09 PM »

Yeah, I'm going with poor machine calibration.

Regardless, the only way we're actually going to find out is with a hand recount, which Nelson is getting.
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